Transformers Generations Titan Class Trypticon Designer Desk Clip

Deathsaurus1 wrote:I hear this figures legs will snap off?
Is there a way to fix it?

Sabrblade wrote:"Monstrous articulation of his legs" is certainly an apt description.

Deathsaurus1 wrote:I hear this figures legs will snap off?
Is there a way to fix it?

BERSEKAEL wrote:if they recall this item to fix it and/or we get an updated version, they also include a re-scale, so he wont fell that short next to metroplex, he is missing 6 inches

BERSEKAEL wrote:if they recall this item to fix it and/or we get an updated version, they also include a re-scale, so he wont fell that short next to metroplex, he is missing 6 inches

MadProject wrote:I already read about "several people" with a broke Trypticon, but so far I can find only the one who posted the tutorial to fix the hip spring.
Also, I found just one videoreview done after that tutorial that mentioned that problem, and made another video about how to change the ratchet joint into a normal joint.

There are actually other people who already got Trypticon and it broke after they transformed it, and can personally write about the issue?

None the less I'll probably customize mine (when I'll get it) to avoid the risk from the start, but I'd like to know if it's actually a widespread issue or just a single bad copy.

My hope is that in the end this will be just like MP Megatron barrel issue,that broke just because it was wrongly forced by people, and not actually a design flaw.

Qwan wrote:

MadProject wrote:I already read about "several people" with a broke Trypticon, but so far I can find only the one who posted the tutorial to fix the hip spring.
Also, I found just one videoreview done after that tutorial that mentioned that problem, and made another video about how to change the ratchet joint into a normal joint.

There are actually other people who already got Trypticon and it broke after they transformed it, and can personally write about the issue?

None the less I'll probably customize mine (when I'll get it) to avoid the risk from the start, but I'd like to know if it's actually a widespread issue or just a single bad copy.

My hope is that in the end this will be just like MP Megatron barrel issue,that broke just because it was wrongly forced by people, and not actually a design flaw.

I'd love if it was just a semi-isolated issue too, but from my experience (being the guy who posted that tutorial) it's a combination of too-strong springs, and really soft plastic used on a piece where said plastic needs to resist a lot of force. I can't be certain that I didn't do something wrong - and it'd be great for other people if that was the case, so they could avoid it themselves - but in my totally-non-professional analysis of the problem, it looks like more of an engineering/materials choice issue than a consumer-end one. I'm sure we'll find out more once Trypticon gets a wider release; for now, relatively few people actually have the toy so it's hard to build a complete picture as to the nature and extent of the problem.

(Also, just a note that I'm pretty sure that video you mention came out a little before I posted my tutorial. I noticed the issue just before the video was posted here, but I didn't get around to actually making a proper tutorial until after the video had already been put up on these boards. It's worth noting that it seems the other guy and I had a totally identical issue with Tryp's hips, so that also pushes me slightly closer to 'design/execution flaw' over 'user error'.)

Cobotron wrote:Nipping that wire leaves a pretty sharp tip. I bet one could use a rasp or file to file that tip down so it's not so destructive. Also thought alternatively, you could wrap the end in a generous amount of electrical tape.

MadProject wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Nipping that wire leaves a pretty sharp tip. I bet one could use a rasp or file to file that tip down so it's not so destructive. Also thought alternatively, you could wrap the end in a generous amount of electrical tape.

I was thinking about covering the tip with a soft rubber cup, or round it with sandpaper.
If you can bend the spring as I meant in my last post, it should sit flat on the surface, and it wouldn't scratch the plastic.

Qwan wrote:

MadProject wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Nipping that wire leaves a pretty sharp tip. I bet one could use a rasp or file to file that tip down so it's not so destructive. Also thought alternatively, you could wrap the end in a generous amount of electrical tape.

I was thinking about covering the tip with a soft rubber cup, or round it with sandpaper.
If you can bend the spring as I meant in my last post, it should sit flat on the surface, and it wouldn't scratch the plastic.

The springs are really tough, so while it might be possible to bend them flat you'd definitely have a hard time doing it. (Plus it'd make the cut-down springs that much shorter, where about half-length is nearly the shortest they can be before the ratchet stops catching.) A rubber/electrical-tape cup or sanding the tip should work though - provided you keep in mind that sanding or filing metal is also probably gonna take a fair while!

Personally I just added a couple layers of cardboard between the inner housing for the spring, and the spring itself (it's one of the 'optional' steps in the tutorial, I believe). It stops the spring from scratching thanks to the extra padding, and also adds a little more strength to the ratchet without them becoming self-destructively strong again. I've got two layers of cardboard, each about 1-2mm thick, in mine's hips right now and that works quite well! (I'd guess that around 3 or 4 layers would be right about perfect, but I honestly just can't be bothered disassembling the hips for like the seventh time )

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:[snip]

well, the flattening could be a problem just in case you cut the spring in half.
If you work on both the springs (instead of making 2 out of 1) you should be able to shorten and flat them.
If it's possible, with a bit of patience, to flatten the end of the spring, there wouldn't be the need of a cardboard disk at all, expect just to have some more thickness in the ratchet joint.
Do you think it's possible to make or not?

Qwan wrote:

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:[snip]

well, the flattening could be a problem just in case you cut the spring in half.
If you work on both the springs (instead of making 2 out of 1) you should be able to shorten and flat them.
If it's possible, with a bit of patience, to flatten the end of the spring, there wouldn't be the need of a cardboard disk at all, expect just to have some more thickness in the ratchet joint.
Do you think it's possible to make or not?

I think it could work, in theory! Using both springs instead of the one is definitely a good way to make them a little longer, and with a good amount of patience you might be able to bend the bottom end of each spring into place. The springs are very sturdy though (since the entire idea of a spring is to flex to varying degrees, but never bend permanently), so it'll require a lot of effort and patience, or some creativity in finding a way to make the spring temporarily more malleable. I'd think that maybe heating them up could help, but absolutely don't take my word on that since I honestly have no idea when it comes to heating metal (or most anything in life, actually ).

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:[snip]

well, the flattening could be a problem just in case you cut the spring in half.
If you work on both the springs (instead of making 2 out of 1) you should be able to shorten and flat them.
If it's possible, with a bit of patience, to flatten the end of the spring, there wouldn't be the need of a cardboard disk at all, expect just to have some more thickness in the ratchet joint.
Do you think it's possible to make or not?

I think it could work, in theory! Using both springs instead of the one is definitely a good way to make them a little longer, and with a good amount of patience you might be able to bend the bottom end of each spring into place. The springs are very sturdy though (since the entire idea of a spring is to flex to varying degrees, but never bend permanently), so it'll require a lot of effort and patience, or some creativity in finding a way to make the spring temporarily more malleable. I'd think that maybe heating them up could help, but absolutely don't take my word on that since I honestly have no idea when it comes to heating metal (or most anything in life, actually ).

I don't know if you're interested, but I'm looking online and it looks like bending a spring is possible. I'll try once I'll got my Trypticon, if I see that his ratchet joints will be too hard.
Or eventually I'll check online for a couple of springs

Kurona wrote:I could see that being part of an upgrade kit which would also contain things like Brunt and extra weapons.

Black Hat wrote:

Kurona wrote:I could see that being part of an upgrade kit which would also contain things like Brunt and extra weapons.

Ooooh I like your thinking. I'd love it if they pulled an Iron Factory Slammer and made Brunt with a robot mode. Likewise, a bunch of TM sized figures with better articulation would rock for crewing him with. Design them after the "hardhat" generic humans with some kind of brainwashing device on them perhaps?

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

Burn wrote:I really should get around to busting mine out of his box.

MadProject wrote:

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

I don't know how much that is doable. It should be one solid piece, so basically you'd have to change all the base for the hip

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:I really should get around to busting mine out of his box.

Just make sure you don't bust the toy itself

MadProject wrote:

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

I don't know how much that is doable. It should be one solid piece, so basically you'd have to change all the base for the hip

MadProject's right, the cross piece is the same part as the entire base of the hip, so not only would it require a large amount of disassembly (if it even can be disassembled by the consumer; I'll have to look at that) but it'd also be two rather large pieces of metal/sturdy plastic. And given how much even the small 3P products tend to cost...

If it is possible though, that would be totally great! Certainly would be a good move for some 3rd party company or another, since it wouldn't even require any new engineering on its own, just copying an existing part. (And since there was enough demand for better combiner extremities that multiple 3Ps each made their own of those, I can only imagine that there'll be fairly significant demand for a replacement part that stops the figure from destroying itself immediately .)

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:I really should get around to busting mine out of his box.

Just make sure you don't bust the toy itself

MadProject wrote:

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

I don't know how much that is doable. It should be one solid piece, so basically you'd have to change all the base for the hip

MadProject's right, the cross piece is the same part as the entire base of the hip, so not only would it require a large amount of disassembly (if it even can be disassembled by the consumer; I'll have to look at that) but it'd also be two rather large pieces of metal/sturdy plastic. And given how much even the small 3P products tend to cost...

If it is possible though, that would be totally great! Certainly would be a good move for some 3rd party company or another, since it wouldn't even require any new engineering on its own, just copying an existing part. (And since there was enough demand for better combiner extremities that multiple 3Ps each made their own of those, I can only imagine that there'll be fairly significant demand for a replacement part that stops the figure from destroying itself immediately .)

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:I really should get around to busting mine out of his box.

Just make sure you don't bust the toy itself

MadProject wrote:

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

I don't know how much that is doable. It should be one solid piece, so basically you'd have to change all the base for the hip

MadProject's right, the cross piece is the same part as the entire base of the hip, so not only would it require a large amount of disassembly (if it even can be disassembled by the consumer; I'll have to look at that) but it'd also be two rather large pieces of metal/sturdy plastic. And given how much even the small 3P products tend to cost...

If it is possible though, that would be totally great! Certainly would be a good move for some 3rd party company or another, since it wouldn't even require any new engineering on its own, just copying an existing part. (And since there was enough demand for better combiner extremities that multiple 3Ps each made their own of those, I can only imagine that there'll be fairly significant demand for a replacement part that stops the figure from destroying itself immediately .)

Look, it wouldn't surprise me if some 3P like Perfect Effect would do totally new legs, instead of just the piece, considering how they usually work.

Also, I find worth mentioning one thing I saw in a videoreview.
If you don't like the tail ending so squarish, you can deply the ramp to give it a tail.
Here's a pic of the result:

trypticon coda.png

And here it is the videoreview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FiDK20VXeQ

Kurona wrote:

MadProject wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:I really should get around to busting mine out of his box.

Just make sure you don't bust the toy itself

MadProject wrote:

Black Hat wrote:A 3P upgrade kit that replaces the "cross" of the ratchets (the bit susceptible to tearing due to the shoddiness of the materials) with either really dense plastic or ideally metal would be a great idea. Someone get on it.

I don't know how much that is doable. It should be one solid piece, so basically you'd have to change all the base for the hip

MadProject's right, the cross piece is the same part as the entire base of the hip, so not only would it require a large amount of disassembly (if it even can be disassembled by the consumer; I'll have to look at that) but it'd also be two rather large pieces of metal/sturdy plastic. And given how much even the small 3P products tend to cost...

If it is possible though, that would be totally great! Certainly would be a good move for some 3rd party company or another, since it wouldn't even require any new engineering on its own, just copying an existing part. (And since there was enough demand for better combiner extremities that multiple 3Ps each made their own of those, I can only imagine that there'll be fairly significant demand for a replacement part that stops the figure from destroying itself immediately .)

Look, it wouldn't surprise me if some 3P like Perfect Effect would do totally new legs, instead of just the piece, considering how they usually work.

Also, I find worth mentioning one thing I saw in a videoreview.
If you don't like the tail ending so squarish, you can deply the ramp to give it a tail.
Here's a pic of the result:

trypticon coda.png

And here it is the videoreview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FiDK20VXeQ

Ooh, I really like that actually. It looks so perfect; surely that's intended!

Agamemnon wrote:I thought girth was more important than length.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:I thought girth was more important than length.

Some people just want it all. Don't let it get to you, man. It's the motion of the ocean and all that.

Serious time question on Trypticon, though. What mode is he packaged in? Can he be displayed in "Gojira" mode without using the hip ratchets at all? If I see him in store, I might grab him up, but wait to officially Transform him until all this business with the hip joints is sorted out. At the very least, it would be nice to display him next to Metroplex in his default/robot/beast mode while I wait.

MadProject wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Serious time question on Trypticon, though. What mode is he packaged in? Can he be displayed in "Gojira" mode without using the hip ratchets at all? If I see him in store, I might grab him up, but wait to officially Transform him until all this business with the hip joints is sorted out. At the very least, it would be nice to display him next to Metroplex in his default/robot/beast mode while I wait.

it should be in Kaiju mode with tail and head rotated to fit the box and legs detached.

Agamemnon wrote:

Kurona wrote:

MadProject wrote:Also, I find worth mentioning one thing I saw in a videoreview.
If you don't like the tail ending so squarish, you can deply the ramp to give it a tail.
Here's a pic of the result:

trypticon coda.png

And here it is the videoreview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FiDK20VXeQ

Ooh, I really like that actually. It looks so perfect; surely that's intended!

I thought girth was more important than length.

Indeed, while not really toy or toon accurate, this little addition looks really good. I wonder how it will look with a more T-Rex appropriate stance versus the traditional Gojira...

Gamerlingual wrote:Does anyone have any positive experiences with his hips? I took the plunge and bought him from robot kingdom

Qwan wrote:

Gamerlingual wrote:Does anyone have any positive experiences with his hips? I took the plunge and bought him from robot kingdom

I think rather few people (on these boards, at least) have had any experience with Trypticon, positive or negative, since he hasn't been very readily available up to this point. Looks like there'll be quite a few more people to submit their experiences soon, though, if the last few posts are anything to go by!

Gamerlingual wrote:Is there a chance that not all the springs will be bad?

I will become a guinea pig

Sjeng wrote:Man, Hasbro REALLY needs to start working on their QC issues. I mean how many bad toys do they need to make to wake up?

Qwan wrote:

Sjeng wrote:Man, Hasbro REALLY needs to start working on their QC issues. I mean how many bad toys do they need to make to wake up?

Unfortunately I don't think it's so much about the number of bad toys as it is about the ratio of 'fine' to 'bad', and even then it'd be more about how many complaints they get or whatever, rather than how bad or widespread the issue itself is. Think about how many toys there are in the TR line, and how many of those have had devastating QC issues (including Trypticon); then, think about how many Trypticons they'll still sell compared to the surely-small number of complaints they'll actually receive about those toys, even if the problem exists on every copy. It's a fairly logical (or "logical") business move and much as I hate to say it, we're pretty much stuck voting with our wallets or sending complaints to a multinational corporation to try and instigate some kind of change - and even then there's a chance they'd get the wrong message and put Titans to bed or something...

It's hard being individual collectors trying to deal with a large faceless business