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Twitchythe3rd wrote:Arise, Bumblemus Prime?

PrymeStriker wrote:Why is everyone trying to pick up the Star Saber? It's heavier than any of them can hope to bench.

CR71Autobot wrote:Is it just me, or has Smokescreen recently gotten the shaft. He was the only one who stayed behind to save Optimus, he passed up his opportunity to become Prime despite being a worthy candidate, and he rebuilt Optimus, saving the earth from certain destruction. Since then all he's done is change his colors and say his one line each episode. My guess is he's being set up to die

CR71Autobot wrote:Is it just me, or has Smokescreen recently gotten the shaft. He was the only one who stayed behind to save Optimus, he passed up his opportunity to become Prime despite being a worthy candidate, and he rebuilt Optimus, saving the earth from certain destruction. Since then all he's done is change his colors and say his one line each episode. My guess is he's being set up to die

Mindmaster wrote:Would anyone be so gracious as to provide a link to tonight's episode? Unfortunately, something unexpected came up, so I had to miss it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Would anyone be so gracious as to provide a link to tonight's episode? Unfortunately, something unexpected came up, so I had to miss it.

http://wetvall.weebly.com/transformers-prime---season-3-episode-13---deadlock.html

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

Cyclonus43 wrote:Holy crap was that another Autobot love fest.

Almost as bad as the end of T3 DotM.

Thanks to the movies and these recent series, I now almost projectile vomit when I here or see Bumblebee or even a yellow camaro. :vomit:

The humans were aggravating as well.

Kid, an episode is built around writing, storytelling, and character development, something "Deadlock" delivered well. It's not built around how much you hate a character because your local Wal-Mart overstocked him.

viruscarnage wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

How was this a shit ending? It had closure, something other series didn't have.

Cyclonus43 wrote:

viruscarnage wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

How was this a shit ending? It had closure, something other series didn't have.

It just had a ridiculous ending.

Mindmaster wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:

viruscarnage wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

How was this a shit ending? It had closure, something other series didn't have.

It just had a ridiculous ending.

What was so ridiculous about it? Autobots finally defeat the Decepticons. They've been doing it since forever.

PrymeStriker wrote:Yes, because showing affection toward comrades you've fought beside for years is certainly a taboo
act.

Tell me; do you have any friends? If so, you too have experienced a similar "love fest."

:lol:

Yeah, you must be having a bad day to compare this to that.

Kid, an episode is built around writing, storytelling, and character development, something "Deadlock" delivered well. It's not built around how much you hate a character because your local Wal-Mart overstocked him.

Oh here we go with this bull again.

Mindmaster wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:

viruscarnage wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

How was this a shit ending? It had closure, something other series didn't have.

It just had a ridiculous ending.

What was so ridiculous about it? Autobots finally defeat the Decepticons. They've been doing it since forever.

RAcast wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:

viruscarnage wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Sh!t ending to an otherwise good storyline.

How was this a shit ending? It had closure, something other series didn't have.

It just had a ridiculous ending.

What was so ridiculous about it? Autobots finally defeat the Decepticons. They've been doing it since forever.

He won't be happy until the Decepticons win. No use arguing over it with him.

Cyclonus43 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:Yes, because showing affection toward comrades you've fought beside for years is certainly a taboo
act.

Tell me; do you have any friends? If so, you too have experienced a similar "love fest."

Good way to take my point out of context. It had nothing to do with the "love fest" you're referring to, it has to do with the writers "love fest" toward making the Autobots so superior and the Decepticons turn into idiots.

Why??? Both endings took about 7 minutes to dispose of all the bad guys....really????

Kid eh? Tell me old timer, how old are you? Then we'll determine who the "kid" is.

I love how you condescending fans always post obvious stuff like you're suddenly opening everyone's eyes to what goes on in a TV show.

I don't hate him because he sits on the shelf at Walmart, I hate him because he went from a "scout" to this utterly ridiculous unstoppable robot.

Oh here we go with this bull again.

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone have a different opinion. I understand the necessity to have humans involved, but now they give them the bumblebee treatment.

I mean c'mon, Soundwave survives battles with Airachnid and Wheeljack, he escapes Autobot capture, and then of all things, he's all of a sudden going to turn dumb and get out-smarted by a couple of brats????

PrymeStriker wrote:Damn the day the Autobots win the final battle...

If that's your beef, you might as well quit Transformers now.

In DOTM, the Autobots killed all of the Decepticons mercilessly without moral.

In Prime, only Megatron died (epically) and the rest were cleverly disposed of without death, most without any interference of the Autobots. Soundwave trapped in the Shadowzone, Starscream and Shockwave's escape, Knock Out's side-switch, and (though 5 episodes ago) Airachnid's improsonment on the moon.

I call everyone "kid." Quit taking things so literally for a change.

I am an aspiring writer myself, and none of your complaints attack what really matters in telling and ending a story. Most of what you're complaining about is a bunch of Decepticon-fanatic tantrum kibble.

Yes, because in Prime, he was no match compared to Breakdown, Shockwave, MECH, and Knock Out. He just slaughtered them all, right?

I fail to see your point. Bumblebee only crushes the Vehicons, who are terrible fighters themselves. The only 'cons he's snuffed are Skyquake and Megatron, both were mostly unexpected strategical attacks. Do you think brawn conquers strategy on the field?

The "bull" I'm referring to is the fancry cliché that "GAWWWW HUMANS AREE ANNNOYING STUUPID SHOW."

With Wheeljack and Airachnid, Soundwave had strategical advantage. Soundwave has no idea what the Shadowzone was 'nor was he aware that the humans were going to trap him.

You think characters just know everything that goes on and can stop everything in every circumstance? That's called being overpowered, which makes for the worst storytelling ever.

Cyclonus43 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:Damn the day the Autobots win the final battle...

If that's your beef, you might as well quit Transformers now.

Again, for some reason, you miss my point. THERE WAS NEVER A POINT WHERE THE STORY MADE YOU THINK THE DECEPTICONS EVEN HAD A CHANCE.

For a writer, you're not much of a reader. I never said anything about "killed of death", I said "disposed", which covered any case in which a Decepticon met his fate or ending.

I'll simply refer you to the point I made in caps. I don't mind the Autobots winning, I simply have the problem with having never felt like it was in doubt.

but he survived them,

against foes that should have crushed him.

I fail to see your point. Bumblebee only crushes the Vehicons, who are terrible fighters themselves. The only 'cons he's snuffed are Skyquake and Megatron, both were mostly unexpected strategical attacks. Do you think brawn conquers strategy on the field?

Strategic or not, making him the reason that 2 of the more powerful Decepticons get taken out is silly, why not have him strategically take out Predaking as well?

The "bull" I'm referring to is the fancry cliché that "GAWWWW HUMANS AREE ANNNOYING STUUPID SHOW."

So when someone has a different opinion, it's a fancry cliche?

As calculating as Soundwave was during the entire show's span, they turned him into an idiot for the last 20 seconds he's on the show.

I just don't like it when you never feel the good guys are in trouble, it takes away any suspense or feeling in the show.

Look, it's a matter of opinion, I expressed mine, you don't like it, and I don't agree with yours, let's just move on.

PrymeStriker wrote:In what world do the Decepticons EVER have a chance? The Autobots always win, in every continuity, in every installment, that's not Shattered Glass. If you expected the Decepticons to win or even wanted them to have a chance, then you clearly haven't experienced Transformers enough.

The Decepticons are always disposed of in the end.

You're not much of a reader either. Only Megatron and Soundwave met an end. Starscream, Shockwave, Knock Out, and Airachnid are still very much active and will likely be put to use in the "Predacons Rising" movie.

Because killing off one of your biggest characters is a smart business move.

Bumblebee is to Transformers as Applejack is to MLP or Michaelangelo is to TMNT. You don't just throw away one of your biggest characters.

Getting crushed =/= death. You're very narrow-minded if you think Bumblebee didn't get his bee-hind beat by Knock Out or Shockwave.

Because Predaking is both Brain and Brawn. Megatron and Skyquake were all brawn and no brain. Especially with Megatron - he was so cocky that he killed Bumblebee that he didn't expect him to stab him in the chest. If you shot someone three times in the heart, would YOU expect them to get up and shove a knife in yours?

When something is repeatedand overdone, it is a cliché. Hate towards humans have existed in the fandom for 30 years, and by now, it is cliché.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but how long have you been a fan of Transformers? You seem to be missing out on some of the major points of the fandom and franchise.

Okay, smarty pants. How would you propose Soundwave was to know another bridge was to open behind him? Please, step into Soundwave's shoes and devise how Soundwave was to focus on getting Miko out of his way and detecting 0.5 second Ground Bridge activation MILES away and avoid being sucked into the two portals into the Shadowzone.

I don't like it either - I don't bash the whole episode for not catering to my "Bad Guy Fan" needs. I become objective when watching these episodes. It probably helps me from studying the elements of storytelling, but I'm certain every Transformers fan watching this had no doubt the Autobots were going to win.

Cyclonus43 wrote:It's truly a shame that you continue to take my words for what ever meaning you'd like them to have.

After explaining the word "dispose" in the sense I was using it, it was clear what I meant

So he got beat up, again, it's not like there was ever a chance anything more would happen.

Not if it was anyone other than the golden idol of the franchise, no. If it was anyone else, realistically, then yes, I expect them to die.

I have a problem with a bunch of brats taking down Decepticons like it was nothing.

He didn't have to know, but to have him stand there, rather than walk into his own bridge, was absolutely stupid. He just stood there watching the other bridge get closer.

That's fine that you're an Autobot homer, that never expects the bad guys do do anything even remotely threatening.

then why bother with the goody 2 shoes stories if you always know the inevitable outcome?

Cyclonus43 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:In what world do the Decepticons EVER have a chance? The Autobots always win, in every continuity, in every installment, that's not Shattered Glass. If you expected the Decepticons to win or even wanted them to have a chance, then you clearly haven't experienced Transformers enough.

I guess having a different opinion isn't enough for you, you have to try and shove your holier than thou opinion in my face constantly, as if in some way to make me feel my opinion is wrong.

The Decepticons are always disposed of in the end.

You're not much of a reader either. Only Megatron and Soundwave met an end. Starscream, Shockwave, Knock Out, and Airachnid are still very much active and will likely be put to use in the "Predacons Rising" movie.

It's truly a shame that you continue to take my words for what ever meaning you'd like them to have.

After explaining the word "dispose" in the sense I was using it, it was clear what I meant.

Because killing off one of your biggest characters is a smart business move.

Bumblebee is to Transformers as Applejack is to MLP or Michaelangelo is to TMNT. You don't just throw away one of your biggest characters.

Getting crushed =/= death. You're very narrow-minded if you think Bumblebee didn't get his bee-hind beat by Knock Out or Shockwave.

Fine, then let Megatron lose to Optimus as it should be, not to a mumbling excuse to over-produce merchandise.

So he got beat up, again, it's not like there was ever a chance anything more would happen

Not if it was anyone other than the golden idol of the franchise, no. If it was anyone else, realistically, then yes, I expect them to die.

Again, I have NO PROBLEM with humans being the shows, open your **** eyes already.

He didn't have to know, but to have him stand there, rather than walk into his own bridge, was absolutely stupid. He just stood there watching the other bridge get closer.

I don't like it either - I don't bash the whole episode for not catering to my "Bad Guy Fan" needs. I become objective when watching these episodes. It probably helps me from studying the elements of storytelling, but I'm certain every Transformers fan watching this had no doubt the Autobots were going to win.

That's fine that you're an Autobot homer,

that never expects the bad guys do do anything even remotely threatening.

If you don't put the good guys into adverse situations, or ones that you actually feel they're in jeopardy or fighting against the odds, then why bother with the goody 2 shoes stories if you always know the inevitable outcome?

Again, just accept my opinion as mine and not yours and move on, you WILL NOT change my opinion, nor will you make me feel bad or inferior for having it. Move on.

viruscarnage wrote:I am going to intervene for a second here.

Was it? I was taking it the same way Pryme was and I'm an outside observer.

Really? was this not a chance?

Real life situation; You are trying to protect your house and family from a dangerous threat, somebody attempts to give his leader a giant sword, you shoot him in the chest 3 times with a 82 A1. Do you expect him to stand back up and stab your with a sword that he can barely lift?

Why do you have a problem with this? He got outsmarted by intelligent life forms.

It wouldn't have mattered, if he would have went in the bridge it still would have taken him to the Shadowzone.

Actually last week Pryme wasn't happy at the fact that the Autobots weren't being put in certain situations like that.

Because he wants to see the badass fight scenes

PrymeStriker wrote:This is not my opinion...this is evidence from 30 years of Transformers fiction. The Decepticons have never come out on top or remotely had a chance. The 1986 movie was great for bringing Autobots down, but we all knew the Autobots were going to miraculously pull through the waging war in the end.

Yes, you'd expect them to die....realistically. Especially since mortality in Transformers Prime is more realistic with the average joes (Cliffjumper anyone?) than any other series. Megatron expected Bumblebee to be dead. To us, Bumblebee was gonna get up. Megatron can't read the wikis, bro. Realistically, Megatron was caught off guard, and realistically, Megatron died because of a surprise attack nobody BEHIND THE FOURTH WALL expected.

:roll:

You're being very ignorant. You already explained yourself to me in this regard. Why are you re-hashing it? You were comparing apples and oranges (clichés and opinions), I try to readjust you, and you wanna cuss me out.

Ah...

Re-watch "Shadowzone."

It didn't matter what bridge Soundwave walked through; BOTH bridges were pulling him and BOTH bridges would have sent him into the Shadowzone. There was NOTHING Soundwave could do.

Wait.

Think.

Faction: Decepticon

Signature: Decepticons

Quote above: "I don't like it [Decepticons losing easily] either" & "I don't bash the whole episode for not catering to >my "Bad Guy Fan" needs<"

All this = Autobot homer?

WHHHHAAAAAAAA?

THE DECEPTICONS HAVE BEEN THREATING ALL SERIES LONG!! What more do you want?!?!?!

I don't know - Optimus hanging off the Nemesis without flight capability and thousands upon thousands of kilometers to fall to his death with Megatron ready to butcher his hands off seemed rather dangerous to me

I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm trying to get some valid reasoning out of it through discussion (on discussion board).

MINDVVIPE wrote:A lot of Autobots died in the Animated movie. Being a kid I didn't know the Autobots would win. As an adult, I'm sure I would have, but damn, death was fairly embedded throughout the movie. Hey, Starscream died too, it isn't just Autobot hate. It's just a longing to finally see Transformers reach that status where it's, dare I say, evolving into something more, and something real. So, in other words, non-formulaic. Maybe one day.

Cyclonus43 wrote:The minute Bumblebee "died", it was a signal of some ridiculous comeback. How anyone couldn't see that or didn't know is beyond me.

THANK YOU for proving my point. IT DID matter, Soundwave had that split-second to hop into his own bridge (like Starscream), and come out unscathed.

I have a picture of Patrick Roy, doesn't make me an NHL goalie. Then you're either like me, and think the Decepticons have better looking robots/alt modes and are pretty great when they're on their own, not facing the Autobots, or you support a band of what in the long run, are idiots.

Henry921 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:I don't read MTMTE, Va'al brought me here after he alluded to this, but...

Death is good. Death is very good.

You can always be relied upon to relish Autobot deaths, Pryme.

The Decepticons have almost always ruled Cybertron in the shows/movies, as soon as they leave Cybertron, they're morons.

Again, I apologize. If you think ANYTHING the Decepticons did was "threatening", then you have a much better ability to suspend reality than I do.

IT DOESN'T MATTER....don't you get it? If I don't BElIEVE there's a chance of Optimus falling, then it doesn't matter what situation they put him in.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Being a kid I didn't know the Autobots would win. As an adult, I'm sure I would have,

Fair enough, but now that I've explained my opinion, why the need to continue to question it???

PrymeStriker wrote:Because the Decepticons aren't Transformers fans, honey. They're fictional characters, and to the Decepticons, Bumblebee is about as significant as that neighbor you've met only a couple of times.

The bridges were closer in proximity than the two from Shadowzone. They had a bigger gravitational force. You saw how the bridges lifted Jack up, right? Soundwave couldn't move - he was literally being torn in half, and the bridges collapsed on him, sending him into the aforementioned dimension.

See...this is what I mean by being "objective."

I love the Decepticons. My favorite characters are Sixshot, Shockwave, and Breakdown. In fact, here's a quote from a response one of my past posts:

Henry921 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:I don't read MTMTE, Va'al brought me here after he alluded to this, but...

Death is good. Death is very good.

You can always be relied upon to relish Autobot deaths, Pryme.

But no matter how much I love the Decepticons and want them to win, I know that's not going to happen. Perhaps that's what ruined the "suspense" for you? The good guys encountering difficulty doesn't need to be a killing spree.

They can be near-death experiences; something Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Smokescreen went through during this episode. That's my point.

Also, the 1986 movie killed off quite a handful of Autobots. What happened? Children cried, locked themselves in bathrooms, and threw away their Transformers collections. Hasbro, remembering what happened back there, especially with Optimus Prime, did not want to make the same mistake again. Perhaps that’s why we didn’t get the Autobot smolders you and I wanted.

:lol: Funny how in Animated the Decepticons had lost the war and they were more strategic, especially that Megatron.

That's what makes fiction fiction, right?

It kind of does. Just because you are more pessimistic towards Transformers' writers ability to kill Optimus & Bumblebee doesn't mean everyone else is. I watched the finale with some of my friends (granted, are not Transformers fans), and most of them were on the edge of their seat when Optimus & Bumblebee experienced life-threatening situations. I'm sure most kids reacted the same way, just like the way you did with the deaths of Ironhide & co. in the '86 movie. Referring to MINDVVIPE'S post...

MINDVVIPE wrote:You are an adult, and an active fan of the franchise. Again, I don't think anyone in the fandom expected Bumblebee & Optimus to die, but we're not particularly supposed to. We know Hasbro's business plans - little kids, for the most part, don't.

Because we are still discussing our conflicting views on "Deadlock's" plot points.

Cyclonus43 wrote:That's their problems, not mine.

Real life situation???? It's a board about a cartoon, humans don't have super powers, that'd be like a 10 year old trying to lift Conan's sword....in reality, it doesn't happen.

If Soundwave isn't smarter than a couple of kids, then you've proven my point, they made him out to be an idiot in the end.

Again, it's something I see different, as you don't have any proof over what would have happened had he walked into his own bridge in that split second he noticed the other one.

So he said it for one episode, i meant for an entire series.

Sorry, they're just not badass if you know the outcome ahead of time.

viruscarnage wrote:Why are you acting so arrogant.

But you still expect him to be dead, despite the realism issues that you may have.

Soundwave is smarter then the kids for the most part, but he was not expecting dual ground bridges to send him to another dimension.

Go watch Shadowzone.

The reason for his frustrations might have been because no more Autobots other then Cliffjumper died it may have simply not have bothered him a lot until not.

On the contrary I think they are badass even when you know the outcome.

Sabrblade wrote:Soundwave was rendered completely immobilized. As he turned around to look at the second bridge, his own bridge grabbed hold of him and tried to suck him in just as the second one did. How would he know to move away from the two portals if he never knew about what would happen when two portals are open at the same time right next to each other? He sensed no danger in that split-second before he was stuck because he never knew of the danger that would ensue, and thus wasn't prepared to deal with it. It wasn't "idiocy", but "ignorance", that Jack took advantage of. This is no opinion.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey Cyclonus43, I agree with the overall point your making, which is that the show is Autobot biased, and that IS true, everyone should be able to agree on that, coz it just is. It's meant for kids. Cyclonus has a problem with that, expressed his views, and that's that.

As for the Soundwave thing, even if it falls in line with being Autubot, or even human biased, it's still better, imo, than quite a few of the earlier lucky wins for the good guys, so I'm just happy it was fairly clever, AND Soundwave isn't actually dead but just trapped. If they had killed him with the Apex Armour, which, given the built up "strength" of the suit, it would not be an argueable end, but would have sucked way more coz Soundwave would have to be dead.

This show isn't perfect. The very fact that they needed vehicons for fodder to keep the action going is already a fault that has been throughout the entire show. Cyclonus43, if you want to enjoy some TF fiction that caters to our love for better storytelling, just read the comics hombre

Cyclonus43 wrote:Of course, why would he have no clue what would happen?

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyclonus43 wrote:Of course, why would he have no clue what would happen?

Cuz he's never been revealed to have ever experienced/witnessed the opening of two adjacent portals together before.

Cyclonus43 wrote:No, I don't. Knowing this shows history I don't in anyway ever believe they'd kill off Bumblebee.

That's what makes fiction fiction, right?

Yes, but it doesn't make it good fiction.

Sabrblade wrote:Soundwave was rendered completely immobilized. As he turned around to look at the second bridge, his own bridge grabbed hold of him and tried to suck him in just as the second one did. How would he know to move away from the two portals if he never knew about what would happen when two portals are open at the same time right next to each other? He sensed no danger in that split-second before he was stuck because he never knew of the danger that would ensue, and thus wasn't prepared to deal with it. It wasn't "idiocy", but "ignorance", that Jack took advantage of. This is no opinion.

I mean the body count over the series was what, 5 to 1 in favor of the Autobots?

The Decepticons lost Breakdown, Skyquake, Megatron, Makeshift, and Dreadwing (although he was killed by Megatron.) To what, Cliffjumper????

RAcast wrote:I'm just glad they didn't kill off any more minibots. I cried a little inside when Wheeljack told of Seaspray's untimely demise.