Transformers War for Cybertron: Kingdom Cartoon to Debut on Netflix in July

July 30th is a Friday, that's where my guess is. But sometimes, release patterns don't follow such logic. I personally am excited to see the conclusion. Just waiting for the wave of negativity however when hardcore BW fans see their favorite characters voices by other actors.

July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

sol magnus wrote:July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

I read that as well on another fan site, not knowing the source they got it from actually sourced wikipedia...

o.supreme wrote:

sol magnus wrote:July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

I read that as well on another fan site, not knowing the source they got it from actually sourced wikipedia...

Hence why we never newsed that

(It's likely that whichever fan put it on wiki, likely extrapolated the date by looking at the gap between Siege and Earthrise)

Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

You'd want a Beast Wars series inferior to the original? Cuz that's what we'd get out of this.

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

You'd want a Beast Wars series inferior to the original? Cuz that's what we'd get out of this.

I’d want a new series that does something new with the property.

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

You'd want a Beast Wars series inferior to the original? Cuz that's what we'd get out of this.

I’d want a new series that does something new with the property.

If the new IDW Beast Wars comic series is any indication, Hasbro apparently doesn't want Beast Wars to be changed too differently from its original premise.

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

You'd want a Beast Wars series inferior to the original? Cuz that's what we'd get out of this.

I’d want a new series that does something new with the property.

If the new IDW Beast Wars comic series is any indication, Hasbro apparently doesn't want Beast Wars to be changed too differently from its original premise.

Which is also fine. To be clear what I meant was that I’d like to see a new series telling new Beast Wars stories. It can deviate almost entirely or be as faithful as the showrunners choose. Either way, I’d be there for it. New takes on properties I enjoy always interest me.

o.supreme wrote:

sol magnus wrote:July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

I read that as well on another fan site, not knowing the source they got it from actually sourced wikipedia...

you can't really trust wikipedia

It seems weird to me that the first two parts played like 2 months apart and we have to wait six for the last part.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

sol magnus wrote:July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

I read that as well on another fan site, not knowing the source they got it from actually sourced wikipedia...

you can't really trust wikipedia

It seems weird to me that the first two parts played like 2 months apart and we have to wait six for the last part.

Siege came out in July. Earthrise in December. That's five months apart.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

sol magnus wrote:July?! I had read May somewhere. Good grief.

I read that as well on another fan site, not knowing the source they got it from actually sourced wikipedia...

you can't really trust wikipedia

I'm well aware. But when you read what you *think* is a legit news story online, you wouldn't think they would reference wiki, which is why I reacted the way I did.


As for new BW. I am split. I don't like the new comic. I know Sabre said it's not much different from the original series in that it is seemingly retelling the original story, just with a couple added characters, and the personalities skewed a bit, but those specific differences I'm not a fan of. I'd rather it be something closer to Gathering/Ascending, but that's probably because I am an unapologetic fan of BWII and Neo.

It's odd because I am an older fan I find myself only NOW rewatching the original Battlestar Galactica. I saw it as a kid in the late 70's/early 80's, but aside from a few random episodes on Sci-Fi still 20+ years ago I haven't rewatched it proper since I was a kid. Now when I am done with it, I will not be watching the popular Sci-Fi channel remake from the mid 200's, because I did watch a couple episodes of that when it premiered, and despite bigger budget, a pretty solid cast etc, good FX, I was not a fan of how convoluted everything was.

Unfortunately this seems to be the pattern now. There is no more straight good vs bad, everything is a muddled grey, and it loses it's sense of fun. I know this may seem ironic, as I tend to like my Transformers taken a bit more seriously, however there is a fine line. I think Transformers Prime is the perfect example of something done right. It was very serious, however it was always fun to watch (and not in a silly childish way), there was always a sense of hope, and there was no convoluted or overly complex stories.

With BW it is so difficult, because the original series is complete. If you try to retell it skewed slightly to the right or left of center, fans won't be happy. If you change it 100%, fans won't be happy either. Unlike the Original Transformers, which I know exactly what needs to happen, but Hasbro doesn't have the courage to do it. I honestly have no indication in my mind what should be done with BW moving forward in terms of Media either in print or animation.

I guess you could go forward past the events of Beast Machines, but then, that really isn't Beast wars is it...

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Really hoping a new Beast Wars series gets spun out of Kingdom. I doubt it'll happen, but a man can dream.

You'd want a Beast Wars series inferior to the original? Cuz that's what we'd get out of this.

I’d want a new series that does something new with the property.

If the new IDW Beast Wars comic series is any indication, Hasbro apparently doesn't want Beast Wars to be changed too differently from its original premise.

Which is also fine. To be clear what I meant was that I’d like to see a new series telling new Beast Wars stories. It can deviate almost entirely or be as faithful as the showrunners choose. Either way, I’d be there for it. New takes on properties I enjoy always interest me.

Yeah I would like more Beast Wars too, and I would love it to be animated, but not by this these clowns.
Sheesh, the Netflix shows are bad. They look pretty, but that's all they have.

I can't imagine what it must be like for Marvel UK fans, because I never had much contact with Impactor, but even I felt insulted by their take on him.

It's like they all watched God of War playthroughs on youtube and Watchmen, and think what makes that good is violence, grittiness and monologues. It's like Beast Machines, just with shitty writing and worse attempts at adapting the characters.

I finished Siege and groaned, then when Earthrise came out I decided to give that a chance in case it's better, then Megatron had Autobots strapped to a Spacebridge to suck their Energon out while trying to seduce Elita One and claiming that this isn't him killing her friends but Optimus. And then I had to turn it off and cleanse myself with Hilda.

How is it possible to write Optimus Prime so much like a dead fish? Seriously, people were giving TF Prime Optimus shit for inspiring speeches and being so dire, but holy hell this guy takes the cake.

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Unfortunately this seems to be the pattern now. There is no more straight good vs bad, everything is a muddled grey, and it loses it's sense of fun. I know this may seem ironic, as I tend to like my Transformers taken a bit more seriously, however there is a fine line. I think Transformers Prime is the perfect example of something done right. It was very serious, however it was always fun to watch (and not in a silly childish way), there was always a sense of hope, and there was no convoluted or overly complex stories.

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Hmmmm that's an interesting take. I haven't seen it in years, but I always thought the muddled grey was a sort of sub-theme in the BW series, with characters like Dinobot and Blackarachnia and the episode with Transmutate. Even in the episode with Tigerhawk, Optimus Primal attempted to protect BW Megatron because he had G1 Megatrons spark.

I thought that was part of what set BW apart from the 80s cartoon and made it stand out. And in the 80s cartoon I really enjoyed when Blitzwing stood up to Galvatron and was cast out. I'm a fan of the grey, its interesting and some of the most popular characters come from it like Sixshot and Sky Byte. I also enjoy that the relationship between Optimus Prime and Megatron is starting to gravitate towards more of a professor x/ magneto dynamic, with Megatron not being just some evil conqueror. I think it's cool haha just putting that out there, not trying to diss your opinion or anything

All that being said I agree that the Netflix series is disappointing and could've been far better. I haven't checked out the comic so I don't have anything to say about it

I'm not opposed to characters switching sides. All the examples you gave were fine by me. It's just when characters who are supposed to be the moral compass such as Optimus Prime (just one example but there are many) start to make questionable decisions that are not for the best of his team or himself. That's what I'm not a fan of. It happened a lot in IDW comics, and although I enjoy the Netflix series as a whole, I do not enjoy THIS version of Optimus Prime. Primal in BW was quite different, he wasn't quite the "by-the-book" leader Prime was, but you always knew where he stood in the fight. The Primal as presented in the new IDW comic, I don't know how to describe it, he's just NOT the Primal of the animated series. I'm sure that was done purposefully, but it's not my preference.

o.supreme wrote: I honestly have no indication in my mind what should be done with BW moving forward in terms of Media either in print or animation.

Being a huge fan of Beast Wars, to me, the answer is simple: Let it go.

Continue with anniversary figures and/or re-releases of the show. The rest, is silence.
That is what Beast Wars represents, after all. It moved on, beyond G1 and Sunbow. It recycled some names and story beats. Then it began world building on its own and forged a unique identity with The Beast Era. It can't be replicated as these are different times. So don't even try. Instead Hasbro should apply the lesson from Beast Wars success and do something new with Transformers again.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Being a huge fan of Beast Wars, to me, the answer is simple: Let it go.

I tend to agree, as I stated prior, the story is complete. It's rare that fans of something have this take however. New toys are easy to make, as we see they are coming, and they are pretty amazing overall. But there will always be that contingent of fans that wants new media to go along with it, and Hasbro is happy to oblige because while I do believe that Print and Animated media is MUCH MORE than just a way to sell toys, it certainly is a factor that Hasbro wont pass up.

Like I said prior, I know exactly what needs to be done with the Original Transformers. But something completely new is the next logical step as well I would think. Unfortunately there seems to be a few missteps with Botbot's and *comedy* Nick series, that is NOT the New we need.

The reasoning I have is that the entire concept of Beast Wars was very context specific. Anything done outside of that context is merely derivate and trading on the name. Without merit or substance. As such not worth my time.

They can continue to fleece the G1 fans all they like and mostly, the fanbase doesn't object. Personally, BW isn't like that for me. An endless honey pot of nostalgia they can hold in front of me and I'll pour money into. I don't want anything new from Beast Wars. For good or ill, Beast Wars ended in 2000 with Beast Machines. I accepted that 21 years ago.

If Hasbro just forgot Evergreen and did take the same gamble as was done in 1996, who knows where it might lead?

o.supreme wrote:I'm not opposed to characters switching sides. All the examples you gave were fine by me. It's just when characters who are supposed to be the moral compass such as Optimus Prime (just one example but there are many) start to make questionable decisions that are not for the best of his team or himself. That's what I'm not a fan of. It happened a lot in IDW comics, and although I enjoy the Netflix series as a whole, I do not enjoy THIS version of Optimus Prime. Primal in BW was quite different, he wasn't quite the "by-the-book" leader Prime was, but you always knew where he stood in the fight. The Primal as presented in the new IDW comic, I don't know how to describe it, he's just NOT the Primal of the animated series. I'm sure that was done purposefully, but it's not my preference.

Ohhhhhhh okay I see what you mean now. I agree about Prime, i don't like what they did with his character at all. I can see what the intention was, but those are struggles I would've expected with rodimus prime not optimus. Optimus was wise and always knew what to do and was certain in his convictions. He was the one lighting the way for the rest of the autobots and this version of prime is the one dragging them down half the time

To put it another way...

Optimus Prime is Jean-Luc Picard.

Rodimus Prime is James T. Kirk.

Optimus Primal is Benjamin Sisko.

(And that's as far as the parallels go. No other good guy TF leader matches Janeway, Archer, or any other captain's personality.)

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If Hasbro just forgot Evergreen and did take the same gamble as was done in 1996, who knows where it might lead?

I agree with this. however I do think it was a small miracle that BW was as successful as it was. I remember the strong resistance in the beginning. Personally I never felt that way, i thought it was interesting. However i do have to admit that as they slowly seeded Season 1 with subtle references to the original mythology, and by season 2 confirmed it was in the same continuity, that is what hooked me. Yes the characters were great enough to stand on their own, but that continuity; something I loved previously, seemingly going on was what I needed at the time.

As you stated BW ended, and I agree it's done, let it go. But the Original Transformers universe is far from complete. It was never given a proper ending. I can understand the frustration of fans that constantly see it rehashed in IDW, or in series such as Cyberverse or the Netflix Series (though I personally don't se it that way, I see them as constant splinters, not exactly like the original, but a poor substitute). That's why I would want to add to the original, move forward, or go back, or fill in missing gaps, not just keep rehashing the same story bits.

At the same time though, (we've Established Transformers is ok to have more than one continuity going on at once) yes there needs to be something brand new. Going back to the miracle of BW. It was the first attempt at something new, and it worked. Unfortunately in todays age and seeming lack of imagination, there are bound to be several false starts (thus the Botbots and Nick references), before the Truly new and innovative Transformers mythos is created that kids of today can identify with, and latch onto as their own, yet at the same time, fans in their 20's, 30's and 40's can appreciate as well.

Looks like Galvatron will be making a return. I quite liked his interactions with his past self.

o.supreme wrote:I agree with this. however I do think it was a small miracle that BW was as successful as it was. I remember the strong resistance in the beginning. Personally I never felt that way, i thought it was interesting.

I guess, it all depends on where you jumped on. As stated previously, I jumped onto the series with Transformers: The Movie. I was 3 then. The original series, to me, was just the "G2" reruns after that. Much like He-Man, wherein being a 90's kid, I had no real exposure to the peak popularity of the original series. As New Adventures, was My He-Man.

I was on the crest of new fans, with Beast Wars. I had no resistance at all to the new and deeper characterisation on display. The Starscream episode, the cameos and flashbacks were all ...nice. More for the fact that they were showing the original series in full CG for the first time. To much better effect than the G2 intros, at any rate. However, Megatron destroying Optimus Prime's corpse I always felt was somewhat symbolic, in parallel with the literal intent. Severing the ties to the past and moving forward with Transformers. We know how that played out, however.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I agree with this. however I do think it was a small miracle that BW was as successful as it was. I remember the strong resistance in the beginning. Personally I never felt that way, i thought it was interesting.

I guess, it all depends on where you jumped on. As stated previously, I jumped onto the series with Transformers: The Movie. I was 3 then. The original series, to me, was just the "G2" reruns after that.

I feel ya. I was born in '85 so the show was already off the air by the time my memory begins (but I loved the toys, regardless!), though I had a few VHS tapes of random episodes of G1 that I watched over and over again, along with The Movie and Return of Optimus Prime, but my real memories watching the original cartoon religiously was G2, which I liked, but it feels like it kinda came and went. Beast Wars was something of a revelation in the later years of my childhood.

EDIT: There is also this:



And this:

Looks like you will have to fix that...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Looks like you will have to fix that...

All better?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Looks like you will have to fix that...

All better?

Added two more.

https://filmmusicreporter.com/2021/06/09/transformers-war-for-cybertron-trilogy-kingdom-soundtrack-album-details/

Kingdom's getting a soundtrack album. The track listings contain vague spoilers for the cartoon.

Hasbro will release a new soundtrack album for the third part of the Netflix original anime series Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy. The album features selections of the original music from the third and final part of the trilogy (Kingdom) composed by Alexander Bornstein (First to the Moon, Are You Afraid of the Dark?, Black Site Delta, Paradox, The Last Heist). The soundtrack will be released digitally on July 29 and is now available for pre-order on Amazon and Apple Music/iTunes. Hasbro has previously released two albums featuring the composer’s score from the first and second parts of the trilogy (Siege & Earthrise). Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy – Kingdom based on Hasbro’s toy franchise is produced by Rooster Teeth, Allspark Animation & Polygon Pictures and is set to premiere next month on Netflix.

Here’s the album track list:

1. Kingdom (1:15)
2. Faith (Allspark Theme) (2:26)
3. Maximals Vs. Predacons (Theme Suite) (2:59)
4. Rescue (2:28)
5. Prime Saves Primal (2:50)
6. The Matrix Returns To Prime (4:10)
7. Temple Battle (3:56)
8. Ascension (2:55)
9. Titan / It’s Over (2:25)
10. Elita In The Snow (2:37)
11. Galvatron And Nemesis Prime (2:59)
12. Fight For The Future (4:06)
13. Sparks Return (1:35)
14. Cybertron Reborn (Elita And Prime) (2:50)
15. Peace / Unicron Epilogue (2:29)
16. Coda (Cybertron Reborn Acoustic) (2:00)
17. War For Cybertron Trilogy (Bonus Track) (0:53)

So the soundtrack comes out the same day as the show...Interesting in that...Of all the criticisms with this show, the soundtrack is usually, another one. Not that it is necessarily bad, but that it is forgettable. I've watched Siege and ER in their entirety 3 times, and I can't recall at the moment anything special or significant about the music score. Kind of like a generic Tron theme. I guess we will see. maybe as they claim, Most of the Budget for EVERYTHING went to this 3rd series, not just animation. Still we are a little less than 2 months away, and no trailer yet. I'm sure it's coming soon. But you know, as soon as any BW character's voice is heard, and it's (obviously), not going to be one of the familiar mainframe cast, fans are going to . I don't necassarily blame them. Original Transformer fans like myself weren't exactly happy with the non-union talent they got, but some of the voices were familiar from past Transformers work.

Honestly, some of the characters that didn't appear much (Alpha Trion, Skylynx etc...) sounded pretty good.

I mean, we've already had Optimus Primal and Cheetor voiced by other people.

Heck, even Blackarachnia and Waspinator back in Animated.

True. But those were odd. Ron Perlman, arguably a well known/ well liked actor especially among cult films, seemed to be in a no win situation. In a low production series like Prime wars, I'm not even sure why he did it. People really like Ron Perlman, but he was in the wrong show, doing the wrong voice. I personally don't think it was that bad, but people connect that character so strongly to gary Chalk.

As for Waspinator and BA in animated. Most people understood those were different versions of the characters, plus animated was well liked by most fans, and the VA's did try to bring a familiarity to their performances, so it was probably well received.

I really don't care about Cyberverse, so I have no recollection of how Cheetor was, and it is seems to be the consensus that not many people noticed.

However for this Kingdom show, it obviously draws heavily form the original BW animated series. In the same way Siege and ER did for the original Transformers. While not being the same, there are still going to be expectations. Even though I have no idea what he sounds like, I wouldn't be shocked if they got the Cheetor VA from Cyberverse to do the same voice in Kingdom (non-union talent and all). I mean they did the same thing with Optimus, and that is a good example.

I'm not sure enough people watched Cyberverse to care what the Optimus actor sounded like in that series, but as soon as you heard him in WFC doing a version of Optimus that most people associate with Pete Cullen, he got destroyed on the internet for his performance (or lack thereof).

o.supreme wrote:True. But those were odd. Ron Perlman, arguably a well known/ well liked actor especially among cult films, seemed to be in a no win situation. In a low production series like Prime wars, I'm not even sure why he did it. People really like Ron Perlman, but he was in the wrong show, doing the wrong voice. I personally don't think it was that bad, but people connect that character so strongly to gary Chalk.

As for Waspinator and BA in animated. Most people understood those were different versions of the characters, plus animated was well liked by most fans, and the VA's did try to bring a familiarity to their performances, so it was probably well received.

I really don't care about Cyberverse, so I have no recollection of how Cheetor was, and it is seems to be the consensus that not many people noticed.

However for this Kingdom show, it obviously draws heavily form the original BW animated series. In the same way Siege and ER did for the original Transformers. While not being the same, there are still going to be expectations. Even though I have no idea what he sounds like, I wouldn't be shocked if they got the Cheetor VA from Cyberverse to do the same voice in Kingdom (non-union talent and all). I mean they did the same thing with Optimus, and that is a good example.

I'm not sure enough people watched Cyberverse to care what the Optimus actor sounded like in that series, but as soon as you heard him in WFC doing a version of Optimus that most people associate with Pete Cullen, he got destroyed on the internet for his performance (or lack thereof).

To be fair, I'd argue that Cyberverse was watched a lot, otherwise Hasbro wouldn't have continued it as they have.

I'd say "padded out" more than continued, but to each their own. It's entire three seasons (if compared to regular 1/2 hour episodes) only makes 31 episodes of content, that is compared to some series that have 13 episodes per season, and others that can do 26 or more.

Cyberverse then gets 2 more *movies* this fall, and a few more toys to go with it, but it seems more of desperation than anything else. Hasbro didn't want to have NOTHING to offer kids in the Transformers Brand for a whole 18 months, so until the Nickelodeon show is ready, they asked Boulder Media to slap together a little more content to hold them over.

Kewl

Looks like they realised who is shelf warming and going to shelf warm some more by giving them more screen time.

like the very first realisation Primal wasnt going to be done by Garry Chalk, its even more dissapointing to hear from the apes mouth. I'ts not even a good voice too, the music in the clip didnt help hopefully it doesnt detract from the show for me.

Sounds like we've got more time travel shenanigans on our hands.

Well, seems like the voice acting hadn't improved. At all. Optimus's voice actor sucks, and it seems Primal's will be no better. Looking at it financially, I kinda get why they didn't get Peter Cullen, but I doubt Garry Chalk demands the same high fee, they at least could have gotten him. I'll still watch it, because I saw the 1st 2 parts, but I don't have high hopes. Basically I just want to see what happens to Elita, Megatron and Shockwave. They were the only characters who interested me by the end of Earthrise.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Looking at it financially, I kind of get why they didn't get Peter Cullen, but I doubt Garry Chalk demands the same high fee, they at least could have gotten him.

They went with non-union talent, so the price didn't matter. If someone was a member of the SAG-AFTRA (which I'm sure Cullen and Chalk are, especially Chalk since he has been popping up in more movies lately), they weren't even considered. It's kind of sad. Machinima's Prime Wars went to the length to actually get some talented actors, some former Transformers Veterans etc.... but it looked like garbage, and most of the actors you couldn't hear what they were saying due to bad music/audio mixing.

So for WFC. Netflix decides to up the animation budget (slightly), but go "cheap" when it comes to voice talent, and directing.

There are so many moving parts (no pun intended) to any production whether it be live action, or animated. If you decide to cut corners in any area, the fans will know.

Yeah, even if they had gotten back the original BW voice cast, the acting still would have sucked since the voice direction staff is still the same. Garry Chalk is a capable actor, but is not incapable of giving bad performance. Several episodes of Armada and Energon can attest to that.

bluecatcinema wrote:Sounds like we've got more time travel shenanigans on our hands.

No more than there was in the original Beast Wars cartoon.

Primal's voice made me laugh for 5 minutes.

Quantum Surge wrote:Primal's voice made me laugh for 5 minutes.

We should ask him to "Welease Bwian".

Thanks to Seibertronian Sabrblade and many others, we have our first look at the third chapter of Netflix and Rooster Teeth's Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy, Kingdom! The footage comes from the YouTube video, "New on Netflix | July 2021", which highlights upcoming shows and movies for Netflix US in, you guessed it, July 2021! The Kingdom clip starts 9:22 in, though the video is unfortunately region-locked to the United States.

The clip itself features our first look at the Maximals in robot mode, as well as the voice of the boss monkey himself, Megatron in beast mode, and a sinister Ultra Magnus!



Below is an un-region-locked YouTube mirror!



A reminder that our previous news on the Kingdom chapter is two posters from the NetflixGeeked Twitter of the Maximals and Predacons watching the Ark and Nemesis fall to Earth, with the release date of July 29th! There is also the soundtrack for preorder from Amazon with potential spoilers!

Check out screenshots and the two posters from Kingdom below and sound off your thoughts on the Pub forums below!

Quantum Surge wrote:Primal's voice made me laugh for 5 minutes.

It's made me cringe instead. Still have the expression on my face, it's not wearing off and it's starting to hurt

Also, I guess T30 rhinox usvthe one to get if you want a show accurate figure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, seems like the voice acting hadn't improved. At all. Optimus's voice actor sucks, and it seems Primal's will be no better. Looking at it financially, I kinda get why they didn't get Peter Cullen, but I doubt Garry Chalk demands the same high fee

Unrelated, they are going non union so they cant take any uno
Ionized actor, no matter how cheap they are.

I know almost nothing about beast wars, but isn't cheetor and tigatron suppose to have different designs? Looks like they maybe just upscaled and changed the color to make tigatron. Maybe this is accurate or not though.

Also I really hate how cheap this whole show feels. So many reuses of models and not even getting them accurate (Exhausts head). pretty sure I can count the total number of unique onscreen transformations on one hand too.

LinaNui wrote:I know almost nothing about beast wars, but isn't cheetor and tigatron suppose to have different designs? Looks like they maybe just upscaled and changed the color to make tigatron. Maybe this is accurate or not though.

Also I really hate how cheap this whole show feels. So many reuses of models and not even getting them accurate (Exhausts head). pretty sure I can count the total number of unique onscreen transformations on one hand too.

Cartoon Tigatron was basically upscaled cheetor with a different head and chest in robot mode
OG tigatoy was just a straight repaint of cheetor

I don't know if adding "evil Ultra Magnus" as the article thumbnail was a good idea, some might consider that a spoiler.