KO of G1 Shockwave in dual colors

so why is it a knockoff? it says reissue? whats its flaw?

CrabHeart wrote:so why is it a knockoff? it says reissue? whats its flaw?

It's probably shitty quality. The actual G1 Shockwave was already shitty quality to begin with. His legs and hands are notorious for breaking off, so I'm told. I'd buy a purple barreled version though. Just as long as it's for a knock-off price and not at vintage G1 price. Maybe we'll see it at BotCon.

CrabHeart wrote:so why is it a knockoff? it says reissue? whats its flaw?

It's a KO simply because it's an unoficial and unlicensed remake, probably done by Zhong Jin, just like the other high quality KOs. It's being passed as a Hasbro product when it's not and it's illegaly reissued.

As for it's quality I don't know as I didn't buy one yet, but I'm thinking about doing it next month as a brand new vintage one costs too much. But I have the Zhong Jin KO reissues for Mirage, Wheeljack and Reflector and I must say that they're just like Encore reissues, same good quality (even better than some: e.g. Jazz).

So, I guess that it probably is also of good quality. But the point of being a KO is because it's an illegal remake.

The seller who is selling the new KO Shockwave in ioffer has answered to 2 buyers that the next 2 KOs are Sunstreaker and Octane. Since it's the same seller saying it I guess it's true. Please check the messages on the listing for the buyers cbeck10 and gilderdave.

Quoted from one of the sellers answers:
"hi,the Sunstreaker KO and and Octane KO will come soon,maybe next month"

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Transformers-G1-Spotlight-Shockwave-KO-Reissue-IN-BOX-107072101

As for me, it's the first time I hear of an Octane KO, at least on this "good quality lineup".

Dude, that is so awesome -I can't even describe. The only thing I could want more than MP Grim right now. Highly tempting since we know H/T will never ever re-issue this guy b/c of the mold. So beautiful my eyes are getting a little misty.....

It looks real nice. It does have a couple of flaws in the plastic specially where the join, left over bits from the molding.

But otherwise it looks real nice, and the Styrofoam tray just adds to the 80's feeling.

If this were the real deal I'd have no qualms about paying 85 bucks for it.

But for a knockoff it seems a little steep no matter how good the quality is.

30 maybe 40 bucks and I'd be all over it.

Yeah, that'd be a good price range. Although I'm clampin down on spending right now.

Cool sig Overcracker ---anything with Luke, Tracks, and Thundercracker is awesome in my book

vectorA3 wrote:Yeah, that'd be a good price range. Although I'm clampin down on spending right now.

Cool sig Overcracker ---anything with Luke, Tracks, and Thundercracker is awesome in my book

Thanks.

This is my first post as I can not seem to find a place to say Hi,so Hi all


I am not a fan of the knock-offs no matter how good or bad they are,

but there is clearly a market for them but I am sorry to say that I have seen some people sell them as 'reissues' which I feel is wrong

not a great first post but I am overwhelmed by this forum and the substancial membership it has,

welcome omega-1-prime!!!!!

Just snagged this Four Star Seeker KO off of ebay... Sorry if I was bidding against any of you

I just wish there was somewhere to get all these high quality KOs at a reasonable price. When I can get re-issues from japan for as low as $30, I just can't pay $70 for a KO. If they were $30, maybe 50 for a combiner, I'd buy them like mad.

vectorA3 wrote:welcome omega-1-prime!!!!!

Thank you

This knockoff is coming dangerously close to Shattered Glass Thrust?

Scaleface wrote:This knockoff is coming dangerously close to Shattered Glass Thrust?

That one looks kind of interesting. Wonder how good the quality would be.

Probably not good

i ordered him a week ago, should be here any day now, i'll do a small review with pics then

omega-one-prime wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:welcome omega-1-prime!!!!!

Thank you

As said, We want all to feel welcome, or to make ryan feel good about his interesting little hobby

Welcome to the boards! hope you enjoy your stay! Hell everybody dose it,

"Warning Seibertron may Contain Nuts!"

my review on that orange ramjet: http://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php?topic=168.0

Th0r4z1n3 wrote:Just snagged this Four Star Seeker KO off of ebay... Sorry if I was bidding against any of you

It's been years since I've seen a "Four Star Seeker KO's". I used to own a couple of the "Four Star Constructicons" when I was young. Good Find Th0r4z1n3, and welcome to Seibertron.com!

quick question -- the Shockwave KOs -- do the electronics work??

Hi everyone,

First time post here too for me.
I recieved my G1 accurate Shockwave knock off this morning and I have to say I am
VERY impressed ! The electronics work fine and the whole feel of the figure is
of exceptional quality, better than the recent Cassette Encore reissue and the re release of Sunstorm, both from Takara !
The only issue with it is the loose joints, however I have an old Shack-Wave I can use for
the "Ratchet" joints.

If anyone is on a tight budget I would reccomend these knock - off's, they are filling a gap in the market that Hasbro more than Takara are wrongly ignoring. If Hasbro cannot get off their arse and sort out the legal issues and give the fans what they want after 25 years of loyalty then Sc*ew them !

Hi everyone,

First time post here too for me.
I recieved my G1 accurate Shockwave knock off this morning and I have to say I am
VERY impressed ! The electronics work fine and the whole feel of the figure is
of exceptional quality, better than the recent Cassette Encore reissue and the re release of Sunstorm, both from Takara !
The only issue with it is the loose joints, however I have an old Shack-Wave I can use for
the "Ratchet" joints.

If anyone is on a tight budget I would reccomend these knock - off's, they are filling a gap in the market that Hasbro more than Takara are wrongly ignoring. If Hasbro cannot get off their arse and sort out the legal issues and give the fans what they want after 25 years of loyalty then Sc*ew them !

VaultKeeper wrote:Hi everyone,

First time post here too for me.
I recieved my G1 accurate Shockwave knock off this morning and I have to say I am
VERY impressed ! The electronics work fine and the whole feel of the figure is
of exceptional quality, better than the recent Cassette Encore reissue and the re release of Sunstorm, both from Takara !
The only issue with it is the loose joints, however I have an old Shack-Wave I can use for
the "Ratchet" joints.

If anyone is on a tight budget I would reccomend these knock - off's, they are filling a gap in the market that Hasbro more than Takara are wrongly ignoring. If Hasbro cannot get off their arse and sort out the legal issues and give the fans what they want after 25 years of loyalty then Sc*ew them !

It's great to know that the Shockwave Zhong Jin KO remake is excelent . But about Hasbro and TakaraTomy not making a reissue for this one I think they already said that they really can't do it legally. They can't acquire the rights for them to be able to release the figure, so it's not their fault as they can't even if they want to. I bet that if they could we would already have seen this one reissued.

That's a fair comment, if they have already looked into the legal issue on this then i suppose their hands are tied. Who owns the rights to this mould then, I assume that Hasbro own the likeness and name rights for the figure ? And if Hasbro do not hold legal rights over it is it technically classed as a knock - off ?

I appologies if I came across as angry trans fan, was not my intention.
I thank Hasbro for 25 years of great merchandise, I got my first Transformer back in 1984 and loved them since. But, as a U.K fan we do tend to get sc*ewd on the figure front.
Come on Hasbro U.K, get the message !

VaultKeeper wrote:That's a fair comment, if they have already looked into the legal issue on this then i suppose their hands are tied. Who owns the rights to this mould then, I assume that Hasbro own the likeness and name rights for the figure ? And if Hasbro do not hold legal rights over it is it technically classed as a knock - off ?

I appologies if I came across as angry trans fan, was not my intention.
I thank Hasbro for 25 years of great merchandise, I got my first Transformer back in 1984 and loved them since. But, as a U.K fan we do tend to get sc*ewd on the figure front.
Come on Hasbro U.K, get the message !

I'm not sure about it, but the news were posted in this site, I remember that. Maybe you can still find it...

I'm notsure I understood the question well. Do you mean if Hasbro reissued it if it would be considered a KO? It that's it, I guess so, as strange as it may seem :S .

Do you think you get screwed for TFs in UK? Well, think about it in Portugal... we don't get almost anything from TFs over here. Everything G1 has to come from online shops, and even apart from those reissues, not every other new figures are released here... I still haven't seen a single one from the Universe line-up in Toys'R'Us or any other place, except people buying online and then selling in eBay-like auction sites . Heck, not even the new ROTF figures are available on our TRU (yet, some are available on supermarkets! Ridiculous...)

VaultKeeper wrote:That's a fair comment, if they have already looked into the legal issue on this then i suppose their hands are tied. Who owns the rights to this mould then, I assume that Hasbro own the likeness and name rights for the figure ? And if Hasbro do not hold legal rights over it is it technically classed as a knock - off ?

I appologies if I came across as angry trans fan, was not my intention.
I thank Hasbro for 25 years of great merchandise, I got my first Transformer back in 1984 and loved them since. But, as a U.K fan we do tend to get sc*ewd on the figure front.
Come on Hasbro U.K, get the message !

I do believe "Toy Co toys of Japan" owns the rights to "Astro Magnum" aka Shockwave and Radio Shack licensed the toy under Galactic man.

how hard can it be to get the rights to him then?? I hate radio shack even more now. I'll look into this KO when i decide to buy one and I'm glad Vault was pleased. I didn't see any on the showroom floor walking thru Botcon. Must of all been scooped up on Fri. if there were any. Saw plenty of nice Jetfires though.

A few hours ago I found Knock off, Legends scaled, snap kit form, Shoe transformers with the Prime Body and Movie Megetron head. Picture to follow once I've built the buggers

They were at a Flea Market in Kentucky. Individually bagged on an assorted card

$1 each!!!!! I only got Two and have blended the kits to get one figure in practically the right colours.

Dont know if anyone has come across these before because I haven't run through the whole thread

Here's my new haul (Sorry, I'm in a hurry can't post individual link)

1-KO Classic
-Octane
-Bumblebee
-Ramjet

2-KO ROTF
-Dirtboss
-Soundwave

3-KO TFA
-Megatron
-Optimus Prime


Check them out here

http://azranct.multiply.com/photos/album/11

Just got this: Tranmogrify Gun





He's about the size of Classics Megatron, he'll look good w/ a Decepticon symbol on his chest too

make sure to take that with you when you go to the airport for a flight!

hi i think this is my first post in the knockoff thread so hi
i just wanna say that usually i cant stand knock offs unless they're GIGANTIC or just over sized then ill get them. the only problem is i cant find any BIG ones in england so if anyone knows where to try please message me

thanks in advance.

Be careful when buying G1 KOs on ioffer because there's a thief selling them for very good prices and then sending wrong items (e.g. pens) to people by EMS (I suppose he does that so that he can say to PayPal that he sent the items). That seller started with the account 'kuanling23s', then after emptying all the items for sale he created another store with a similar name and now he created another one. We can see it is the same person because the descriptions are the same, he always has 1 positive feedback in the beginning and answers speaking in the same way as if he didn't know english well.

kuanling23s feedback: http://www.ioffer.com/ratings/kuanling23s?exclude_removed=true&full_sort=rating+desc+%2C+updated_on+desc&include_list=offer_transaction&order=desc&page=2&show_only=seller&sort=rating&user_id=kuanling23s

Current store: http://www.ioffer.com/i/Classics-Transformers-G1-Spotlight-Shockwave-KO-Reissue-109663825

For those who believed, like me... let us all open a dispute on ioffer and contact PayPal by doing the following to get a refund:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside

I'm expecting the worst when I receive my package on Friday... I'll take photos to show to PayPal if needed. And I'm wondering if I'm also going to receive a pen just like that person who already gave feedback to the seller...

Yes, I feel like an idiot for having believed in this seller. It sounded fishy from the beginning because the prices were very good compared to the other sellers. But he answered everything and it seemed to be real.

I'll write here again on Friday after receiving the package and confirming if I was actually deceived just like others were.

Anyway, this is a warn to everyone not to buy from this seller... If was deceived I hope I'll get my money back from PayPal .

Capellamusic, I afraid that you were con by this seller and there is nothing you or anybody else can do against this seller. I'm assuming that this seller is from China that is why I always avoid buying things from there online. The sellers can't be trusted over...

ZoneDaiatlas wrote:Capellamusic, I afraid that you were con by this seller and there is nothing you or anybody else can do against this seller. I'm assuming that this seller is from China that is why I always avoid buying things from there online. The sellers can't be trusted over...

Yeah, I'm afraid it really seems I was con by that seller as were many more... he is in fact from China. But there are many good sellers from there, and I know some of those.

But I think we may be able to get our money back. I have a friend who once received a graphics card which was damaged, he filed a claim with PayPal and was able to get a refund. And that is harder to prove than this. So, I guess that if we fill a claim on PayPal and open a dispute on ioffer we may be able to get back our money. I'm going to document well everything upon receiving the package to use as proof with PayPal. I'm going to take detailed pics, possibly also film the opening of the package. And then I'll provide them with all the invoices and emails, plus the messages at ioffer, which are visible to everyone (and I assume ioffer can see even the private ones). I'll contact the seller both by email and ioffer. And that way I can show them that he didn't answer to me. I already sent a message yesterday and he didn't say anything. Also, on PayPal it says that when we fill a claim if the seller don't answer they will give us reason and a refund.

Well, I just hope everyone gets their money back and the guy should go to jail, although I don't know if they can catch them. But I guess they'll have access to his address through PayPal because I guess he must receive the money on his bank account. That may help to get him.

By checking on my browser's history I was able to find the other store from the con seller on ioffer, it is 'ssmingl2':

http://www.ioffer.com/ratings/ssmingl2

We'll probably start seeing negative feedback sooner or later.

he is in fact from China

was there a originating address on the packing slip? what city was he from?

gingermoney wrote:unless they're GIGANTIC or just over sized then ill get them. the only problem is i cant find any BIG ones in england so if anyone knows where to try please message me

yeah, I prefer ko's that are oversized, undersized or retooled or coloured in some wacky way, a plain old copy isn't as interesting

you can get ko's here, I meet the guy before in China,

More group shots of my collection

Oh, sweet! Just look at all those KOs. Thanks for the tip.

And that's a nice KO collection you have too. I agree on the sentiment, although I disliked oddly colored KOs myself.

pastel Skylynx??? wth???

Paul Grant wrote:

he is in fact from China

was there a originating address on the packing slip? what city was he from?

I've received the damn pen... Everyone who bought from that seller in one of his accounts be ready to receive a stupid pen...

Yes, and it is different from his address on the invoice. The one on the invoice says he's from:

liangyue zhang
120,xiangyang,panjin city,liaoning
Panjin 124010, China

while the one on the package (it is actually a cushioned envelope) reads:

Meiliantong
Xingren co.ltd
Huyigonglu 2623 2-104
China

So with everyone that has brought KO's..... Are these worth buying?

1. Shockwave
2. Mirage
3. Reflector

I just ordered a wheeljack from t800pro and it should be here by friday. This guy seems like a good seller on ioffer based on his feedback from the tfw2005 boards. The box is probably going to be banged up but what can you expect? Its coming from China.

I hope this Wheeljack KO is good quality, everyone that has purchased one seems happy with the quality.

ChrisR291 wrote:So with everyone that has brought KO's..... Are these worth buying?

1. Shockwave
2. Mirage
3. Reflector

I just ordered a wheeljack from t800pro and it should be here by friday. This guy seems like a good seller on ioffer based on his feedback from the tfw2005 boards. The box is probably going to be banged up but what can you expect? Its coming from China.

I hope this Wheeljack KO is good quality, everyone that has purchased one seems happy with the quality.

I have Mirage and Reflector and they're excelent. I bought Mirage and Wheeljack from t800pro, he is a good seller, although not perfect because he sent me a perfect sealed Mirage but Wheeljack was out of the plastic bubble and missing accessories, but he sent me the missing accessories without problems.

Wheeljack is also excelent.

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:So with everyone that has brought KO's..... Are these worth buying?

1. Shockwave
2. Mirage
3. Reflector

I just ordered a wheeljack from t800pro and it should be here by friday. This guy seems like a good seller on ioffer based on his feedback from the tfw2005 boards. The box is probably going to be banged up but what can you expect? Its coming from China.

I hope this Wheeljack KO is good quality, everyone that has purchased one seems happy with the quality.

I have Mirage and Reflector and they're excelent. I bought Mirage and Wheeljack from t800pro, he is a good seller, although not perfect because he sent me a perfect sealed Mirage but Wheeljack was out of the plastic bubble and missing accessories, but he sent me the missing accessories without problems.

Wheeljack is also excelent.

Thanks man! I might buy Mirage and Reflector then

capellamusic wrote:

Paul Grant wrote:

he is in fact from China

was there a originating address on the packing slip? what city was he from?

I've received the damn pen... Everyone who bought from that seller in one of his accounts be ready to receive a stupid pen...

Yes, and it is different from his address on the invoice. The one on the invoice says he's from:

liangyue zhang
120,xiangyang,panjin city,liaoning
Panjin 124010, China

while the one on the package (it is actually a cushioned envelope) reads:

Meiliantong
Xingren co.ltd
Huyigonglu 2623 2-104
China

Capellamusic, Have you contact the seller? I would loved to hear his explanation for sending you a pen instead of the KO figure you bid on...

ZoneDaiatlas wrote:Capellamusic, Have you contact the seller? I would loved to hear his explanation for sending you a pen instead of the KO figure you bid on...

Yes I did, he didn't answer neither my emails nor messages on ioffer... When making the order he answered very fast, but after that stopped answering.

and it is different from his address on the invoice

The shipping company will know exactly who he is. usually in China if you want to ship something, you call a shipping company, and they send someone to your door to pick it up. I shipped a bunch of stuff back while I was there, and that's what they did. any shipping company info on the package?

Searching Xing ren co. ltd found other complaints
Searching "Hu Yi Gong Lu" found this map
Google Maps of xiangyang panjin city liaoning but probably not his/her real address.

The SOB created a new account at ioffer: mdaytoda8 . Be careful! I've written on his TFs auctions informing people not to buy, please also do that, at least those who got con by him like me. This is the same as kuanling23s as I previously reported.

Paul Grant wrote:The shipping company will know exactly who he is. usually in China if you want to ship something, you call a shipping company, and they send someone to your door to pick it up. I shipped a bunch of stuff back while I was there, and that's what they did. any shipping company info on the package?

Searching Xing ren co. ltd found other complaints
Searching "Hu Yi Gong Lu" found this map
Google Maps of xiangyang panjin city liaoning but probably not his/her real address.

The package was sent by China EMS, is that it?

Thanks for the help, I'll take a look at those links later.

OMG, this is getting more and more out of control. The damn bastard seems to be changing his new con accounts. I came across another strange account, which copied the listings from t800pro (from whom I bought before). This new one is radley. Please be careful, he seems to be the same con seller. Besides having copied from t800pro, he copied wrongly some titles, and for instance take a look at the Reflactor one with the Shockwave title which already has one person asking him for prices and he wrote sentences just like the con seller in strange english with similar contents, and prices too good to be true.

The guy is like a damn virus, he's adapting.

I've sent this info to ioffer.