Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review

Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review

Tuesday, August 16th, 2016 2:38pm CDT

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Seibertronians, it's Tuesday. That means that Machinima has released the next episode of their Combiner Wars series. It also means that it's review time! So sit back, relax, grab a mug of Hot Energon, and let old Bronzey tell you a story.

We open with Optimus Prime this time(bit of a change of pace there), and he's standing in an old hangar with Windblade. The hangar appears to be on an Asteroid or moon, as it's overlooking the entire planet of Cybertron. Windblade and Optimus are standing off. Windblade reaches for her sword, and Optimus takes her sniper rifle and breaks it.

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Our first good look at Optimus

A minor thing here, I wish a louder sound effect would have been given to the gun breaking. As it sits now, it sound less like it's breaking and more like it's supposed to fold in half or transform. (Ala Masterpiece Optimus Prime's gun) The first time I watched this episode, I didn't realize it was the sniper rifle from last episode he was holding, and I thought he was turning it in to some kind of sword to fight Windblade.

Anyway, we pick up pretty much where we left off last episode. Windblade takes a few swipes at Prime, and the former Autobot leader dodges all of them, making me wonder how she took down a Combiner no problem.

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Optimus avoids Windblade's attacks

Windblade and Prime share some dialogue about how she tried to kill Starscream, how Windblade feels like the universe would be better off if all Autobots, Decepticons, and Combiners ceased to function. This line especially strikes me as odd. She suddenly hates everyone, and wants to commit mass genocide, but in the same breath she literally says she doesn't want the war to continue. Prime says he obviously won't stand by and let her. Windblade then asks him how many 'bots he's killed in the war, and he says anything he did in the war was not done out of spite and was not unprovoked.

While we're on dialogue here, let's look at voice acting. Windblade is still a little stiff, but you can tell the voice actor's getting more comfortable in the role and the character she wants to play. We finally hear OP speak, and he's done wonderfully by our very own Jon3.0 (or Jon Bailey as he's know in the "Real World"). And, I mean this genuinely, he is bar none the best Voice actor in the entire series so far. This is because he's had years of experience not only voicing transformers, but voicing Prime. It's unfair to expect the same result from voice actors who aren't comfortable in their new metal skin.

Again, there's problems with the animation, it's waaay too blocky and completely off-base with the words being spoken, plus there's a lot of close-up mouth shots in this one, so it's near impossible to ignore. I have a feeling this isn't going to change, so we'll have to get used to it.

Windblade then uses a special, what I'm calling a, "Turbine Attack" on Optimus, who pulls out his G1 orange Energon axe. It's cool to see the axe return in this series, and it's a nice tie-in to the older fiction.

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The Axe is back, baby!

After a few more minutes of fighting, Windblade pleads with Optimus to help her because the combiners are getting out of control. I wish the series would actually show us this "Devastation" she's talking about, because save for the initial Computron v. Menasor fight, we've seen nothing about the combiners being "out of control". And even that fight was still between an Autobot and a Decepticon, so it's not to out of the norm for us. I wish she would have some flashback to a combiner tearing through the buildings of Cybertron, killing civilians. Something to give her more of a motive. (More specifically an Autobot combiner, that would really be a stark realization for the audience that they really are out of control.)

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Optimus Prime and Windblade battle it out in front of an impressive backdrop

Windblade tells Prime about the council's possession of the Enigma of Combination. Prime didn't know this, and Windblade now has a chance to talk him into joining her in destroying it. Optimus realizes the danger the Enigma poses to Cybertron, but is concerned it can't be destroyed. He considers "the amount of fire-power it would take", and then looks up to the sky, saying that there's only one who can help them now. The episode ends.

This is interesting, because my first thought was Megatron, since he's somewhere in exile, too, but in terms of fire power, Megs doesn't have much more than Optimus. Let's think bigger. So...Devastator? Superion? I can't imagine a combiner helping to destroy a sacred Combiner artifact, although we have been told some are still loyal to the concil...

My theory is: It's been mentioned all-throughout this series that Windblade is a City-Speaker. (Heck, it's even mentioned in this episode), and Optimus is concerned about a lack of firepower, it leads me to believe that either Metroplex or Fort Max is set to make an appearance. I could be completely off-base, but this is what it sounds like to me.

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So, in conclusion, Episode 3 is still better than episode 1, but I think 2 still takes it for best episode so far. This was a bit more action-focused like 1, but it had some exposition as well. Unfortunately, most of the exposition is all re-hashed things we've heard before. "End the war" "You're a killer, too" "Combiners must be stopped" "We all have reasons to continue the war" "The enigma threatens the people of Cybertron" It's pretty much the same lines each episode. So again, better than the first, not as good as the second.

Haven't seen the episode yet? You can find it on Go90!

Thanks for tuning in, I'll see you next week when we take a look at Episode 4! So keep it right here on Seibertron.com, your best resource for the latest and greatest Transformers news on the net.

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Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815845)
Posted by william-james88 on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:39pm CDT
Deadput wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:
The three writers producers credits:

Eric Calderon (Primetime Emmy Nominee) - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1643748/
FJ De Santo - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1858702/
George Krstic - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1355577/?ref_=rvi_nm


Just going from what I'm hearing from the web until correction that's all.

Interesting way to live life. Hopefully that changes when you get kids and wonder if they should be vaccinated or not ;)
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815846)
Posted by Kurona on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:41pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:
The three writers producers credits:

Eric Calderon (Primetime Emmy Nominee) - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1643748/
FJ De Santo - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1858702/
George Krstic - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1355577/?ref_=rvi_nm


Just going from what I'm hearing from the web until correction that's all.

Interesting way to live life. Hopefully that changes when you get kids and wonder if they should be vaccinated or not ;)

oh shizzlesnit son
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815847)
Posted by Deadput on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:41pm CDT
Kurona wrote:A lot of awful things have great names working on them. Great team =/= great product.


Not saying it could of been perfect and I never thought we were getting the holy grail of Transformers media in the first place.


But I expected much better I would rather this have been a paid for product then a free one because we know usually stuff you have to pay for are better quality.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815848)
Posted by william-james88 on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:41pm CDT
Kurona wrote:
Deadput wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:AAAAARRGHGHGHGHRHGOERgajpjaàrjpbkoàsRFGKPÈs§bkeot, §vbkR


?

If they were able to get those guys onto the show then why is this show still awful as sin?

It's worse then Energon and that's saying something

A lot of awful things have great names working on them. Great team =/= great product.

:lol: Like Heaven's Gate! Or Movie 43.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815851)
Posted by o.supreme on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:45pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:For reference: the IMDB credit pages for the entire cast,
Bigger list of the cast and crew. ;)


So basically, after episode 2 we have heard everyone's voice who is involved? *except Devastator* Or is this only a list of VA's that have been released because they don't want to give away any spoilers?

So I guess any chance at an actual Combiner War (like in the first minute of episode 1) Isn't going to happen? Or will they just be voiceless entities, mindless instruments of destruction?

Why do I have this sinking feeling that Victorion and/or Winblade are going to cut through all the combiners like tissue paper if they show up at all....this is just not what I was hoping
for.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815853)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:46pm CDT
I like Jon as Prime, the voice is pretty awesome and I enjoyed the speaking lines.

They are definitely headed somewhere to get Megatron.

Wonder where Victorion will fit into this?

Almost halfway and still only 2 combiners to show up. Bit disappointing there. Would have hoped for more by now.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815855)
Posted by Va'al on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:49pm CDT
Deadput wrote:
Kurona wrote:A lot of awful things have great names working on them. Great team =/= great product.


Not saying it could of been perfect and I never thought we were getting the holy grail of Transformers media in the first place.


But I expected much better I would rather this have been a paid for product then a free one because we know usually stuff you have to pay for are better quality.


yay for capitalist dogma
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815857)
Posted by o.supreme on August 16th, 2016 @ 2:51pm CDT
jON3.0 wrote:I'm still thrilled and honored to be officially working on my favorite franchise and I've always supported the franchise in good times and bad so it continues. There's a few things I wished I could talk about but being under legal constraint prevents me from discussing it on public forums. I did the job I was given to do as it was given me to do and those in charge are happy. As long as the bosses are happy, I'm happy.


Jon...any chance you can get a word in edgewise for a TF:TM 30th anniversary Honest Trailer? It would be a couple weeks late, but better late than never
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815866)
Posted by Deadput on August 16th, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Interesting way to live life. Hopefully that changes when you get kids and wonder if they should be vaccinated or not ;)


Don't plan on having kids or a marriage just saying I want to get my own life on track before anything like that.


If I did I probably wont get my kids vaccinated unless they wanted to because I did not get vaccinated myself when I was a kid due to extreme fear of needles (which I still have) and I'm pretty much fine and I don't get sick often.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815868)
Posted by Deadput on August 16th, 2016 @ 3:01pm CDT
Dr Va'al wrote:yay for capitalist dogma



Just saying how things usually are on our planet I'm not trying to be arrogant I'm stating facts.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815869)
Posted by Va'al on August 16th, 2016 @ 3:01pm CDT
BACK

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THANK YOU ALL
(myself included)
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815873)
Posted by Lynaxx_Pax on August 16th, 2016 @ 3:04pm CDT
1984forever wrote:I like Windblade as a Nail trying to prevent more war, though the duel was meh.

The good thing is that this series brings Hasbro one step closer to the realization that only a G1 reboot can bring this franchise back to it's former glory.

Leeeet's not be too hasty here. Reboots have a can be very tricky to do right and have a tendency to, well, sour the franchise. I mean, Just look at the powerpuff girls, teen titans GO, and Primus help us, Adult party cartoon :SICK: Given the current agreement with Hasbro and Cartoon Network, a G1 reboot may go down the same path as the former two
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815882)
Posted by o.supreme on August 16th, 2016 @ 3:15pm CDT
Lynaxx_Pax wrote:Reboots have and can be very tricky to do right and have a tendency to, well, sour the franchise. I mean, Just look at the powerpuff girls, teen titans GO, and Primus help us, Adult party cartoon :SICK: Given the current agreement with Hasbro and Cartoon Network, a G1 reboot may go down the same path as the former two


I know it would, That's why one of my requirements would be that CN have absolutely nothing to do with it.


Gotta say something CW to stay on topic Um..... So....Who do you all think the voice of Superion will be? ;)
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815904)
Posted by Burn on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:04pm CDT
Have to say, this episode was a tad disappointing. Not for the voices (I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're doing a good job Jon) but for the fight scene. It felt like it was there with a few grunt and groans just to highlight the animation.

And that seems to be the emphasis of this series, forget the story, forget the VA's who are getting a shot, lets show off our fancy animation.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815905)
Posted by Kurona on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:05pm CDT
Burn wrote:Have to say, this episode was a tad disappointing. Not for the voices (I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're doing a good job Jon) but for the fight scene. It felt like it was there with a few grunt and groans just to highlight the animation.

And that seems to be the emphasis of this series, forget the story, forget the VA's who are getting a shot, lets show off our fancy animation.

Which, all things considered, is pretty shoddy animation.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815909)
Posted by Burn on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:10pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Which, all things considered, is pretty shoddy animation.

I don't mind it. >:oP
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815917)
Posted by Galactic Prime on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:21pm CDT
Tyrannacon wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:
Galactic Prime wrote:
Tyrannacon wrote:I don't think/feel her performance was the issue to me personally. I think the issue here is more how the character was used than how the actor portrayed the character and how she was performed though. Take the actress who did the line's for the Mistress of Flame character, I feel her performance was particularly wooden and no feeling in. Like the lines were just being read with nothing behind them, but then I wonder if it is simply just part of the character.

I'm definitely trying to reserve my major judgement until I've seen the whole thing in entirety. I don't mind reading and talking about first impressions though.


Your first mistake here is calling these people actresses, they aren't professionals. These people Machinima used are all Facebook losers with no Voice Talent or professional work.


This kind of comment is uncalled for. Criticism of the series is fine, but insults towards cast, creators, or other people involved is not welcome here.

Not to mention that quite a few of them -are- qualified actors/actresses.


Thanks Va'al and Kurona. I appreciate the help here.

Anyone that performs in any kind of work produced for entertainment (professionally/independently) is considered to be playing a part which is very much defined as acting. Even parts with no lines and in the background is "acting" actually. Whether or not people are doing it for big budget or no budget, and still are playing a part is acting. They are actors whether professional or independent here. It's a role they are playing and that's what acting is loosely defined as.

What I said wasn't a mistake though, and frankly I am troubled by your lack of respect here regarding people that are trying to entertain others, such as us. That's a hard thing to do for even seasoned people. You can have issues with the performance of course, but lacking respect almost personally for the people behind it when you didn't like their ability isn't exactly a good attitude itself. It is basically an ad hominem attack against these people and that's not good.


OH get over yourself. The fact is none of them are professionals. None of them and the performance they gave is proof of it. You don't have to agree with me (But you'd be crazy not too), but my opinion on it is my opinion.

I have zero respect for talentless hacks who are taking money and work away from REAL voice actors who would have given us a FAR better performance.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815920)
Posted by Va'al on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:26pm CDT
Galactic Prime wrote:
Tyrannacon wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:
Galactic Prime wrote:
Tyrannacon wrote:I don't think/feel her performance was the issue to me personally. I think the issue here is more how the character was used than how the actor portrayed the character and how she was performed though. Take the actress who did the line's for the Mistress of Flame character, I feel her performance was particularly wooden and no feeling in. Like the lines were just being read with nothing behind them, but then I wonder if it is simply just part of the character.

I'm definitely trying to reserve my major judgement until I've seen the whole thing in entirety. I don't mind reading and talking about first impressions though.


Your first mistake here is calling these people actresses, they aren't professionals. These people Machinima used are all Facebook losers with no Voice Talent or professional work.


This kind of comment is uncalled for. Criticism of the series is fine, but insults towards cast, creators, or other people involved is not welcome here.

Not to mention that quite a few of them -are- qualified actors/actresses.


Thanks Va'al and Kurona. I appreciate the help here.

Anyone that performs in any kind of work produced for entertainment (professionally/independently) is considered to be playing a part which is very much defined as acting. Even parts with no lines and in the background is "acting" actually. Whether or not people are doing it for big budget or no budget, and still are playing a part is acting. They are actors whether professional or independent here. It's a role they are playing and that's what acting is loosely defined as.

What I said wasn't a mistake though, and frankly I am troubled by your lack of respect here regarding people that are trying to entertain others, such as us. That's a hard thing to do for even seasoned people. You can have issues with the performance of course, but lacking respect almost personally for the people behind it when you didn't like their ability isn't exactly a good attitude itself. It is basically an ad hominem attack against these people and that's not good.


OH get over yourself. The fact is none of them are professionals. None of them and the performance they gave is proof of it. You don't have to agree with me (But you'd be crazy not too), but my opinion on it is my opinion.

I have zero respect for talentless hacks who are taking money and work away from REAL voice actors who would have given us a FAR better performance.


Tumteetum.
Dr Va'al wrote:For reference: the IMDB credit pages for the entire cast, so everyone can stop jumping on the oh so easy bandwagon of 'it's just YouTubers/Facebookers' (whatever that means). They are all, ALL, voice actors. Maybe not long-established, but all professionals. Do they also produce content on YouTube? Yes. So does Steve Blum. So does Tara Strong. Give up.

Abby Trott, Windblade: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583837/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t1
Anna Akana, Victorion: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4331196/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t2
Amy Johnston, Maxima: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1829217/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t5
Frank Todaro, Starscream: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0865092/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t6
Lana McKissack, Mistress of Flame: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0572001/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t7
Ben Pronsky, Rodimus Prime: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1408690/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t8
Patrick Seitz, Devastator: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1365137/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t9
Jon Bailey, Optimus: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3929163/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t10
Jason Marnocha, Megatron: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4645694/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

The only 'lesser known' are the voices of Computron (Ricky Hayberg) and Menasor (Charlie Guzman).
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815926)
Posted by Galactic Prime on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:32pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
Randomhero wrote:We already got a G1 reboot. It was called Transformers Animated and I'm not joking. Legitimately was the closest thing to a reboot the G1 cartoon and I still miss that series after 8 years.


I don't think I've read a more incorrect comment in a long...long time....and its scarier that others believe that.


Actually the scary thing is your comment. His was 100% correct.
Re: Machinima's Transformers: Combiner Wars Episode 3 "The Duel" Review (1815927)
Posted by Burn on August 16th, 2016 @ 4:34pm CDT
Those "real" voice actors? They were nobody at some stage. Kudos to Machinima for giving a leg up to people trying to get into the business.

Or do we just hatch fully qualified professionals from little space eggs now?

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