Michael Bay To Purposefully Mislead Fans During Making of Transformers 2

So, basically we shouldn't bother talking about it all then.

So can we shut down the Movie Forum then?

Front paged and credited!

I just hope he doesn't do this with the bot designs. The story I don't care for, but when I see a new TF, I want to be sure it's a character who will be in the film, so I have time to warm up to the design.

I love the design style and everything, but sometimes they take an awful long time to warm up to (Starscream, Megatron...)

Oh this is gonna make things really interesting. And fun too.

Caelus wrote:So can we shut down the Movie Forum then?

As much as i'd love for that to happen, do you really want the stupidity overflowing into other forums?

Damn, now I'm gonna know what I like & what I don't. If Soundwave is in there, I won't know which face is really his, the screwed up one or the G1-esque one. Oh well, I waited 2 years for the first one, I can wait another 2 for the second one...

Im sure he'll mess up some were. And im sure that there are people out there that will get a hold of the real info. Hell he's saying this so he might just leak real info and because of this we'll think its fake. This could get interesting.

It's Bay.
Did it really surprise anyone?

Oh Bay...focus on improving your skills as a director instead of trying to be an illusionist.

Didn't he already mislead us about the first one? Y'know... hyping it to be something great and for the fans, blah, blah, blah. I just hope if the GI Joe or He-Man movies get the go-ahead they're more faithful to the look and soul of the source material.

You Mr. Bay, are a far more clever man then I gave you credit for

Cyber-Kun wrote:You Mr. Bay, are a far more clever man then I gave you credit for...by about 1%.

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WOO HOO...my first front page, credited story...my weekend is made. Anyway, to all the Bay-Haters, at least he is passionate about making the series. It's not a total G1 take on the material, but then again nothing has been G1 except, wait for it...wait for it...G1!!! No one does big, dumb action better than Michael Bay!

So....instead of leting everybody warm up to all the crap they're going to throw at everybody & get over it, they're going to keep everybody clueless untill the movie actually comes out, see some drastic unnecessary changes to something they feel very passionately about, & have critics & words-of-mouth throw this movie into the same catagory as Highlander 2.

Liege Evilmus wrote:You know what, good for him! And even better, good for us.

I say that because I did my best to avoid as many spoilers as possible for TF1, but with the amount of information out there, even in unrelated threads, I was getting information.

I wasn't happy about that, I wanted to see the movie fresh and not go in knowing every detail, and sadly, knowing every detail is just what happened

So go on, keep us guessing, give us goose chases, but more so, give us a good follow up that will entertain us with things we didn't already know!

I know not everyone feels this way, but for me...

The same thing happened to me. I didn't read the script, but I watched every single piece of footage that made it's way onto the internet, because I just couldn't wait. It kind of spoiled the movie for me as I went from one scene I knew to the next. I plan on going into TF2 without watching a single preview...but I really doubt that'll happen.

Umm... Didn't fan suggestion HELP Bay on the first movie? He decided to redesign Megatron's head, voice-audition Peter Cullen, and (presumably) renamed Soundwave to Frenzy in part because fans revolted at the initial premise.

The universe is established, and that helps, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if he had said, "I'm going to really pay attention to the fans more, because the best parts of the first film were often things I drew from them."

Bay takes criticism so poorly, he absolutely refuses to even hear it anymore. He'd be so much better as a director if he realized he doesn't already know everything about everything better than anyone.

I'd kinda like James Cameron to helm one of these. Say what you want about TITANIC, but the man knows how to research source material down to the letter, and reinvision it. And we've seen in the Terminator movies, he's got the chops for cyberpunk action, and how to keep his audience in mind.

I like this move, because as enthusiastic as I was about the film, it was a headache to show up here and see nothing but venom about it. Don't worry, though. This just means the information curve will be a lot steeper than it was with TF1. When advertising, trailers and merch hits, we'll all have plenty to discuss.

This actually works well for us. The treatment that's circulating, to my understanding, wasn't simply "fake;" it was considered and rejected. Having all those fakes out there will stop our bothering with spoilers or pointless fan-bickering over what's actually in the movie, but it'll let us in on the creative process of the writers. Don't like the movie we actually get? Just take a fake as the real thing if you like it better.

They're not wasting resources making the fakes. Writers come up with and throw out plenty of ideas, so we're getting to see that instead of having it all in the dustbin.

The only thing that would bug me? If one of the 'fake' scripts turns out to be a better film than the actual film...

But otherwise, I think it's a neat idea on Bay's side of things... If the fans react really positively to something in one of the 'leaked' scripts, I could see them using that idea in the finished product... Think of it as 'test screening'?

"We have three very good writers."

And so the mis-information campaign BEGINS!!!

HAHAHAHA! He is NEVER, never, ever, ever gonna live this one down. Brash, stupid, artless hack.

Soon he'll try to convince everyone he's making a "movie" and not another two hour long commercial for the army, ebay and oh, yeah, something called "Transformers."

But maybe that’s where the mis-information begins? Maybe there is no TINO 2. We can only hope…

If i were Michael Bay I would leak scripts then I would observe how fans reach to each one and then you have ffedback on what ideas that will please fans and ideas that would piss them off then take everything that pleases everyone and make a script on that. I will say the fake script leaked recently seemed a hell of a lot better than the first movie.

CInemastique wrote:I'd kinda like James Cameron to helm one of these. Say what you want about TITANIC, but the man knows how to research source material down to the letter, and reinvision it. And we've seen in the Terminator movies, he's got the chops for cyberpunk action, and how to keep his audience in mind.

That's actually a pretty interesting suggestion. After all, James Cameron managed to take the established universe of Alien, a hugely succesful movie in it's on right, and made it even better with Aliens. Being a fan of the original movie directed by Ridley Scott, he set out to make a sequel and wrote the basic premise of what would become the story for the sequel. I think he remained very faithful to the source material while giving his vision a life of it's own. Many people would argue that Aliens is much better than Alien.

Unless he fakes the actual designs and toys I don't care. Flaming-faceplateless Prime and gorillascream bugged me more than anything at all in the script.

SoooTrypticon wrote:Brash, stupid, artless hack.

Fuck art.

I want a movie that I can take my dad to see.

I want robots. I want Optimus Prime and Starscream, and I want them to blow things up.

This is actually a good idea. People that want to read the script before they see the movie are losers. It spoils all the fun and chances are, they were going to rag on the movie, good script or not. This isn't G1 anymore. I grew up watching Transformers, and while some of the products in recent years haven't been as great, the movie was definitely a 10 out of 10. The only thing that would've made it better was Frank Welker as Megatron. That being said, things change and you have to know how to move on or you'll be stuck rewatching G1 episodes ALL THE TIME!!!!

Overall, reading a report like this from Michael Bay turns me off from the movie even more. The first movie had me partially interested because of the tidbits I heard before the movie. But seeing the first movie turned me off.

So, knowing that Bay is back at the helm for the second movie and now hearing that he is purposely throwing us false information- gives me less desire to pay attention to him or to watch the movie.

And Optimus actually owned those flames. He made it work and that was in large part due to Peter Cullen's great voice acting. Starscream was pretty gorilla-like, but the only real complaint I have about him was his head. It's ugly. What Michael Bay is doing is making the Transformers proportionate to what they would be in reality. It's a realistic approach to the Transformers mytho and it's great. How else would you want him to make the movie? Blocky with three step transformations? Bay's take on Transformers was refreshing and exciting.

SoooTrypticon wrote:Soon he'll try to convince everyone he's making a "movie" and not another two hour long commercial for the army, ebay and oh, yeah, something called "Transformers."

So...instead of a commercial for the Army, you just want a commercial for toys?

Seems like a step backward or two.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:Im sure he'll mess up some were. And im sure that there are people out there that will get a hold of the real info. Hell he's saying this so he might just leak real info and because of this we'll think its fake. This could get interesting.

That's the beauty of it! With fake scripts running around, even IF we saw the real one, we wouldn't know which is which!

Stormrider wrote:Overall, reading a report like this from Michael Bay turns me off from the movie even more. The first movie had me partially interested because of the tidbits I heard before the movie. But seeing the first movie turned me off.

So, knowing that Bay is back at the helm for the second movie and now hearing that he is purposely throwing us false information- gives me less desire to pay attention to him or to watch the movie.

^This

Color me uninterested. Im wont be seeing the second one. Not unless they get some new writers and director.

nitefall wrote:And Optimus actually owned those flames. He made it work and that was in large part due to Peter Cullen's great voice acting. Starscream was pretty gorilla-like, but the only real complaint I have about him was his head. It's ugly. What Michael Bay is doing is making the Transformers proportionate to what they would be in reality. It's a realistic approach to the Transformers mytho and it's great. How else would you want him to make the movie? Blocky with three step transformations? Bay's take on Transformers was refreshing and exciting.

Well, I actually don't care about the flames. I just wanted the alliteration. Star Scream and faceplateless Prime just bugged me tho and to some extent still do. Megatron too, since I'm seeing the toy more lately than the CG when I think of him.

"proportionate to what they would be in reality" is really in the eye of the beholder ... but the point is the plot is largely moot. It's not very hard to make this kind of movie writing-wise.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

nitefall wrote:And Optimus actually owned those flames. He made it work and that was in large part due to Peter Cullen's great voice acting. Starscream was pretty gorilla-like, but the only real complaint I have about him was his head. It's ugly. What Michael Bay is doing is making the Transformers proportionate to what they would be in reality. It's a realistic approach to the Transformers mytho and it's great. How else would you want him to make the movie? Blocky with three step transformations? Bay's take on Transformers was refreshing and exciting.

Well, I actually don't care about the flames. I just wanted the alliteration. Star Scream and faceplateless Prime just bugged me tho and to some extent still do. Megatron too, since I'm seeing the toy more lately than the CG when I think of him.

"proportionate to what they would be in reality" is really in the eye of the beholder ... but the point is the plot is largely moot. It's not very hard to make this kind of movie writing-wise.

I think Starscream is the only one that still bothers me a little bit. I get the whole "alien look" approach, but he appeared more to me like a mutant moth, down to even the brown color, than an alien robot that can transform into an F-22.

Maybe at the end of the movie, Starscream wasn't escaping Earth but rather trying to fly to the sun, you know, like a moth attracted to a bright light.

son of a bitch
but a smart one at best

Well, if that's how he wants to play.



Same deal as last time for me. Don't care about the movie, don't want to spoil it for meself, but show me what tfs I can expect to buy next year!


I doubt Hasbro would go all out and make decoy toys too

Can't wait for the fake that says WE'RE USING LOTS OF G1 DESIGNS!

wouldnt it have been best not to tell us at all?

this could itself be a fake. but if its a fake the decoys are true. and if they release more then one anyone of them could be true. they could all be fake....and.....uhhhh

Honestly now he doesn't need to do anything, because all the leaks will be seen as fake, even if they are true. Look at that leaked script from the firsat movie, It was supposedly old and unused according to him, but it was 80%+ accurate to the final product.

Just when I thought this guy couldn't be a bigger douchebag...
Many directors and production companies use misinformation, most directors don't actually TALK about it in an almost spiteful way to the fans. It's a bit of an "F you" to the zealous fanbase.
Problem is, I disagree with the "won over most audiences" line. Bay needs to pull his head out of his butt and realize that one marginally good movie doesn't make up for the turd that was Pearl Harbor, and that he needs to step off of his high horse. I get the feeling he thinks that he is THE "Transformers" guy in hollywood now, which makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little. These movies should've been Brian Singer's... Bay will only further ruin the TF's as we know them.

The Master Blaster wrote:Well, if that's how he wants to play.



Same deal as last time for me. Don't care about the movie, don't want to spoil it for meself, but show me what tfs I can expect to buy next year!


I doubt Hasbro would go all out and make decoy toys too

You know, that makes me think, considering the frequency of Hasbro's prototype leaks, that in itself is going to throw a lot of the "fake" stuff out the window at least in the design catagory.

But this whole thing reeks of, "Even though the fans were right on a lot of points on the first movie & the changes made it even better, I'm just going to completely ignore any input they might have & do my own thing, & when fans cry out about something I do that they don't like, it'll be too late, because they'll be spending too much time arguing about wether it's actually legit or not."

Its bollocks. A decoy. He's messing with your heads.

This way he can release anything he feels like and you will all be none the wiser.

If he really wanted to release all that cloak and dagger shit, he'd have to pay someone to create it all and thats a waste of budget.

YIPPEE! Michael Bay hates you Transformer fans!...

Anyway. I might actually be a good idea. THink of all the negative buzz the first movie generated. It was like the opposite Snakes on a Plane. Bad Internet buzz and big box office. Jeez, its not like the negativity hurt the box office...

Although, I don't think a movie about big robots could have failed, especially with a 100 mill budget. It kind of was the elephant in the room for America. An action cashcow just waiting.

Anyway, if he thinks this is going to stop people from bitching on the interwebz....he has another thing coming.

So we connot trust anything he says coming from the sequel?

What else is new with him?

Considering how much money the first movie has raked in, I don't think paying someone to write misleading b.s. is going to be a problem for Bay. Whether we love his idea or hate it doesn't much matter. He's doing it anyway, I think it's funny as hell, and not a one of us out there can deny the fact that even with Bay at the helm, the first movie has blown box-office records out of the water.
What I will get the biggest laugh out of, since some of the actors signed on for 3 films right from the start, is if he pulled a LotR stunt and had all 3 scripts done but just broke up the shooting schedule pending results of the first film. This would give his "writing team" all the time in the world to think up all the new smoke to blow up our butts and give Bay a chance to go into production mode with a little less stress and the chance to polish things up better than the first movie. Now THAT would be a good use of mis-direction.

Bet the fake ideas are better than what they produce. As for messing with fans, well, he's an expert on that, isn't he? Thing is that many fans have cut out. Which brings up a funnier point. Some have said that this fake stuff will be fitting punishment for fans. But, the hardcore fans have dismissed all this junk already anyway. It's hard to punish people who have already lost the faith.

just keep the damn camera steady next time and I'll be happy.

Pfft...I am happy about that. And hes really being smart about that. What kind of person would he be if he didn't care about his movie was leaking out. You have to take care of your project! Some of you guys out there are ultimate haters... how do you live your life decently sometimes? XD

Hands up who thinks this will blow up in his face?

ya how about instead of wasting time making fake scripts there retard writers how about you just write a damn good one and because all this is doing is insuring your computers are going to get hacked the shit out of because your some tricksters dummies

Big deal, they've been misleading us since the first movie. And if they want to give us fake stories, yet reject good ones (like this one: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=99), then so be it. They'll only end up with another stupid teen comedy, just like the first one was.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:But this whole thing reeks of, "Even though the fans were right on a lot of points on the first movie & the changes made it even better..."

How many of the changes made were to the script?

He shouldn't have made the statement. If he's gonna leak fake stuff, he should have kept it to himself. As it is it's like he's daring the more Kaotic TF fans to put the heat on himself. He thinks he knows the game, but he doesn't know the fans. I don't even know all the fans and I am one, but I wouldn't be drawing lines in the sand if I were Bay.