Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3

Wednesday, March 14th, 2018 6:21AM CDT

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Synopsis
The clock is ticking! Leoric finds himself exiled from New Prysmos by Virulina, who Merklynn has named the new leader of all the Visionaries. Can Leoric and his loyalists save Cybertron from being totally changed into a new homeworld for his people? Should they?

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3
For broad definitions of 'saving'



I'm going to do something different with this issue's review, as we're behind schedule, the series has a very thin connection to Transformers, but I still believe it warrants coverage (the database entry is here, in case) and review was due a couple of weeks ago as it stands, anyway! Namely, I'll let some of the commenting readers speak their thoughts on what is and isn't working, and coming in to cover aspects that haven't been addressed.

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3
Like the blue tusked tigerlion in the room


And we start with the major points:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Honestly, this series biggest problem is that the Transformers are in it. All the book's biggest problems (the discontinuity with First Strike, Kup’s death, etc.) wouldn’t be here if the series was just a straight up Visionaries book.


Burn wrote:Another way to look at it, it's Transformers vs Visionaries.

Unfortunately it's more Visionaries vs Visionaries with Transformers taking a back seat even though it's THEIR planet.


This is a comment that has often circulated in our previous reviews, and one that still applies, constantly, and viciously, to this third issue. The only saving moment, in this regard, is the appearance of a Transformers specific character which cannot exactly be called mainstream (to non TF fans, anyway) and some development of plot from the side of the Cybertronians.

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3
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But we also have a good point about Virulina and Visaggio's writing in general, that echoes some wider sentiments about the miniseries:

Sunstar wrote:Ultimately I am not entirely sure if the root of my anger is because it's ultimately good writing that makes me feel something (like how TAAO annual made me cry) or because I feel they are not doing any justice to the story, or anything that will further the story of the Transformers on Cybertron. I get the feeling I won't get my answer until after the last book.



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Art wise, something that users haven't really touched other than once more to talk about Virulina, we still have Fico Ossio and David Garcia Cruz do some really, and I mean, really good work on pretty much the entire organic cast, including the more spectral or hologrammic (not a word) of it.

The issue, once more - though less so I thought compared to previous issues too - is with Cybertronians, and specifically with their faces. Ossio is working hard, and he's working into a style that makes the angular robotic physiognomy fit to his own.. but we're not quite there just yet, and it mostly shows in background shots, rather than close-ups.

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3
On the other hand, Sassy Ironhide


And that last point circles back to the main ones made about the series above: arriving to the Transformers is always on the background, or backburner, be it with the fittingness of the artist's style to the characters or the writing that is still relying on not-exactly IDW characterisation of the cast (see previous reviews for more on this point).

Transformers News: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3
see review title


Overall, the issue is an improvement on the previous two, though for the Transformers side of things that doesn't really amount to much, but it does build to more of the characters having more or less of an agency than initially seen - up to the final act of the book, at least. It's still unfortunate, but there may be a lot in this particular book that Visionaries fans will appreciate I feel, even more than previously in the series; it just comes at the (literal) expense of Transformers.

Thumbnail: Variant cover by Jeffrey Veregge


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Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946100)
Posted by william-james88 on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:03am CDT
Gotta love those pink dolphins :lol:
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946105)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:21am CDT
Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

Starcom

Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors

Why? Because they have a technological slant to them. Visionaries took place on a world made medieval again when technology crashed. That's not what this Visionaries comes across as. While I did like Visionaries back in the day, had a few of the toys too, I can neither endorse this series or the design aesthetic behind it.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946107)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT
Skeleton warriors Vs Visionaries...there we go.

As for transformers? Zoids. You know it makes sense
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946109)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:36am CDT
Zoids or Robotix would work. Then again so would Go-Bots but that option is lost in Rights Limbo...
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946111)
Posted by Big Grim on March 14th, 2018 @ 10:07am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

This. Very much this! But then, MASK should have worked! How did they manage to mess that up?!?
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946112)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 10:11am CDT
Big Grim wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

This. Very much this! But then, MASK should have worked! How did they manage to mess that up?!?


My guess, much like Visionairies, trying to reinvent the wheel.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946122)
Posted by Jack Hallows on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT


I never thought I’d look at a picture of Ironhide and be reminded of Stewie Griffin. Some things you just can’t unsee. #-o
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946123)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:24am CDT
Just curious, the title to the article says #3, but isn't this a review for #4?

*edit* never mind, I just read the part about you being behind...sorry :oops: . I'm just not used to actually having my comics before they are reviewed here.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946125)
Posted by Va'al on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:36am CDT
o.supreme wrote:Just curious, the title to the article says #3, but isn't this a review for #4?

*edit* never mind, I just read the part about you being behind...sorry :oops: . I'm just not used to actually having my comics before they are reviewed here.



You made me double doubt myself and triple check, well done! :D
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946127)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:47am CDT
^That certainly was not my intention. I know how busy you all are, without my interference. Again my apologies. :BOWDOWN:

I know these comics have different covers, I should have just looked at the little #3 in the corner rather than just assuming it was a new issue because the cover was different from my #3.

Anyways, I'm really not *feeling* this new take on Visionaries. Sorry I'm stuck in the 80's on this one. Also I have all 3 issues, and admittedly I haven't read them in depth, just a few pages here and there. One of my favorite parts of the old show, as cheesy as it may seem now, were all the sayings they would utter to activate their totems/staffs. Has anyone said one of those yet? I don't need an exact reference , I'll dig and find it myself, just a yes or no would suffice. ;)
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946151)
Posted by ThunderThruster on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:04pm CDT
The incantations for their staffs was one of the things that helped immerse you in the world of Prismos.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946152)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:06pm CDT
From memory, one of my favourites sounded something like:

By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not, Let all that grows recede and rot
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946154)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:13pm CDT
All the incantations can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visionari ... ical_Light


I liked Witterquick's especially with how fast he could say it. Cryotek and Cindarr's were also pretty neat.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946157)
Posted by partholon on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:28pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:It still seems to be a bad decision to use transformers as their launching pad. Is transformers really the best selling comic of the hasbro titles? Aside from trying to argue it's magic vs technology (which could be pulled off better if it was visionaries vs gi Joe in my opinion as both are humans, just from different worlds)



dont confuse bad execution with a bad idea.

i was thinking the reason this series is such a dumpster fire is down to the writer , but the more i think about it the more it seems to be the editorial decision to tie it into first strike/ revolutionaires set up/event.

THATS whats killing this as it makes no bleeding sense as a way of launching a visionaries book down the line. Worse its incredibly jarring with the two OFFICIAL TF books. as it is im ignoring it entirely and basically considering it an "elsworld/what if" story

TF / Visionaires makes more sense than GI JOE/ visionaires as aliens are more suited to TF lore and already a pre existing thing. pre the cataclysm prismos was a very advanced alien world so while they may use "magic" now theyre set up as sci/fi concept first. aliens in GI joe though? usually comes off as daft.

the template they SHOULDVE used was the one already tried and tested with ROM/TF.

if I was doing it id set it in the past during the war. have them meet as a TF exploratio/inflitration team seeks to asses the anti technology "magic" is starting up on a pre cataclysm prismos. make THAT the threat that endangers the universe as it threatens to go beyond their solar system as we watch it play out on prismos and its characters, and finally have the TF Bots and Cons work together to seal away the prismos sysetm behind a dyson sphere who's job it is to contain the effect.

mix and match as to the details on the whys and wherefores and who's responsible for what but at the end of the day youve introduced the concept , had the two franchises meet, and left them in a position where you can launch a self contained visionaires series from either where you left off, or in the "modern day" and jump straight into how things have changed over the years. all with the added bonus of not pissing all over tranformers in the process.

theres plenty of ways this couldve been done better and its sad to see it play out the way its being done. worse that with the sales figs the way they are i dont see a hope in hell of them getting their own book.

such a pity.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946173)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:10pm CDT
I don't know, I still think gi Joe crossed with visionaries would result better, besides gi Joe now has aliens like the tfs and any aliens in that series is in the gi Joe comics as per being in the hasbroverse. Still since I suggested it earlier, I know need a skeleton warriors Vs Visionaries series, they both have a lot in common. Plus zoids is set to make a return in Japan this summer so maybe idw will get to make a comic based on them and I'll get a zoids Vs Transformers miniseries after all ;-)
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946175)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:18pm CDT
Ahem...

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946178)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:39pm CDT
Was that a hasbro or takara tomy series though?
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946262)
Posted by primalxconvoy on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:09am CDT
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Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946295)
Posted by ThunderThruster on March 15th, 2018 @ 8:22am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:From memory, one of my favourites sounded something like:

By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not, Let all that grows recede and rot


But do you know it's counter incantation (I sure as hell can never remember it)

But aside from Darkstorms, I can always remember Cindarr's, Cryotek's and Lexor's.

o.supreme wrote:All the incantations can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visionari ... ical_Light

I liked Witterquick's especially with how fast he could say it. Cryotek and Cindarr's were also pretty neat.


That takes out the memory element, but yeah Witterquick's was cool, very evocative of it's power.
Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946307)
Posted by o.supreme on March 15th, 2018 @ 10:14am CDT
ok...so TF vs. Visionaries #1 sold out and needed a 2nd printing, but evidently now...the last couple issues sales are way down? Was this just a fan reaction to so many people that wanted a new Visionaries comic, and then when they saw what it was, quickly abandoned it?
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