More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow

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While we have seen a fair number of these already, fellow Seibertronian Deadput has taken the time to link them all and we've decided to share them with the rest of the community - check out below new in-hand images, via toy blogger tagoal on Twitter, for the Titans Return wave 4 legends, deluxes, voyager and leader classes, featuring Roadburn, Brawn, Perceptor, Quake, Krok, Kup, Topspin, Broadside and Black Shadow!

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Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855678)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 29th, 2017 @ 2:52pm CST

Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:
Kurona wrote:I understand Broadside given he's portrayed as extraordinarily large in a majority of his fictional appearances, but why would they make Blitzwing leader class? He's almost consistently shown to be around the same size of Megatron, Soundwave, Astrotrain, the Seekers etc. I can't recall a single time he was Jetfire or Magnus sized; it's not even like his original toy was particularly big.

Oh god...you really can't argue scale size when it comes to toys! coz it's all over the place & a logistical nightmare, going by your defenition....Fort Max & Metroplex toy would have to be human sized(a REAL human that is) in terms of scale! & the Unicron toy we got would have to be the size of a house or even bigger. nah! toy scale sizes are sods law pal

I mean, the way things are now is pretty close to correct. Ignoring vehicle mode scale because that will never be right, I'm just going by how the robot modes look in most fictional depictions. And in most fictional depictions; I'd say Voyager is pretty perfect for Blitzwing. Besides, we just got a near-perfect Leader Megatron, it's nice to get a good version of him in another size class.
Scale isn't as huge a problem as people always handwave it as. CHUG's had a pretty good run of accurate robot mode sizes outside of stuff like Leader Seekers which actually ended up making their own fun little scale with Leader Megatron and Leader Soundwave. In terms of robot modes, scale has rarely been an issue in CHUG so I'm not sure why you're just saying "nah we'll never have a correct scale so who cares".
And you still haven't said why you want Blitzwing and his Megatron pretool to be leader. You want them to cost more when they achieve everything they need to - very well, if I might add - at the Voyager price point and size?

No i never said that i WANTED a Leader Class, i stipulated that i dunno why THEY(meaning HASBRO) haven't made this a leader class? coz as you stated...we got a near perfect Leader Megs previously.

& speaking of things costing more...look at EmirateXaaron's post....he wants Broadside to be Titan Class! which would cost even more than a leader class figure

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855679)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 2:52pm CST

... oh, man, that Brawn is really pretty actually. I was gonna happily pass because even though he looked good I don't really have a need for the character anymore but... oh my god that paint is really beautiful, especially for a legend.

Krok looks incredible too in a different way. His colours just scream G1 to me, and I'm not just saying that because he is of course a G1 character and those are his colours; just... something about those exact shades and how they're applied really makes it feel like the late 80s toy that inspired him. In a good way.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855681)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:02pm CST

I'm still not happy with that back of the jet mode Broadside, it just looks like a trainwreck, on the other hand..the other 2 modes look reasonable enough

I still think that base mode of Sky Shadow looks too much like a fan mode, although i do love his robot mode, the jet sitting atop the tank mode...meh...i'm not too interested in.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855682)
Posted by Deadput on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:03pm CST

Man all of these look so good it's going to be really hard to pass up on any of them even if I have to spend carefully.

The base mode for Sky Shadow looks pretty nice actually the most convincing base mode among the leader figures so far it reminds me of a movie like Tron or something I can't remember.

Also it feels great to contribute to the news here gives me that warm "you did something good" feeling.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855683)
Posted by Neurie on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:11pm CST

Good luck getting Keil or Quake at a decent price. They are both shortpacked 1 per case

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855685)
Posted by Rainmaker on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:24pm CST

Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

:MAXIMAL:

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855686)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:32pm CST

Maximal Rainmaker wrote:Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

Nope, he's part of the wave. Can understand the confusion though, given this is the first Generations Deluxe lineup... ever to have more than 4 new deluxes.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855687)
Posted by Va'al on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:32pm CST

Maximal Rainmaker wrote:Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

Nope! It was just revealed in their magazine, but it's a general retail figure.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855692)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 29th, 2017 @ 3:48pm CST

Ok, so catching up here:

1) the leader seekers were a terrible idea. 3 leader repaints in a line that had tons of repaints. It was awful. Skywarp is still clogging the walmart shelves around here, hence why in the past 2 weeks are the first times I've seen wave 1 leaders from TR, and one of the walmarts don't even have TR leaders yet. Now, I like my Thundercracker, but it was still a bad idea.

2) Roadburn, Brawn, Krok, Perceptor, and Sky Shadow are amazing. Broadsides plane mode is still shite. Kup still looks weird.

3) checked my walmarts today. they are out of TR stuff and mostly out of RiD stuff. When asked, they won't be receiving anything TF related for at least 3 weeks due to backorder. So yeah, Transformers on backorder here till at least the end of February.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855698)
Posted by Cobotron on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:06pm CST

So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...

HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN! :APPLAUSE:

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855699)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:10pm CST

Cobotron wrote:So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...

HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Pretty glad to see that actually since Perceptor actually used this mode in Last Stand of the Wreckers - an incarnation of the character that this toy seems to specifically be referencing with it's sculpting details and gun mold.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855702)
Posted by Deadput on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:17pm CST

Cobotron wrote:So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...

HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

The official pictures for Perceptor already had this mode as well as robot and microscope mode so it's old news.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855703)
Posted by Cobotron on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:19pm CST

Deadput wrote:The official pictures for Perceptor already had this mode as well as robot and microscope mode so it's old news.

WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

:-P

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855711)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:32pm CST

Cobotron wrote:Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Just in the legs, but he's not a pretool of him. However, I do suspect Topspin was conceived only to provide another use for this guy:

Transformers G1 1987 Misfire Gallery

Change a few minor parts, and there ya go.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855714)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:43pm CST

Cobtron's geeking out at a tank mode....ahh let him have his moment

+ when we first saw pics a while ago of Perceptor in this secondary alt mode....was it not classed as a Science Station or Science lab at the time :-?

Btw i'm sure there've been other Perceptor toys that have been able to achieve tank mode :-?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855715)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:50pm CST

Stuartmaximus wrote:Cobtron's geeking out at a tank mode....ahh let him have his moment

Btw i'm sure there've been other Perceptor toys that have been able to achieve tank mode

Out of all 2 of them?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855719)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:58pm CST

Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Cobtron's geeking out at a tank mode....ahh let him have his moment

Btw i'm sure there've been other Perceptor toys that have been able to achieve tank mode

Out of all 2 of them?

- Microchange/G1: Yup, it even seats New Microman figures
- Generations: No, though he is a half-track.
- Classics: No, just a redeco of Cybertron Legends Red Alert. Still an army vehicle

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855720)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 29th, 2017 @ 4:59pm CST

Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Cobtron's geeking out at a tank mode....ahh let him have his moment

Btw i'm sure there've been other Perceptor toys that have been able to achieve tank mode

Out of all 2 of them?

Depends if you keep it licenced or not, there might have been a few 3p

ones

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855723)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on January 29th, 2017 @ 5:06pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Cobotron wrote:Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Just in the legs, but he's not a pretool of him. However, I do suspect Topspin was conceived only to provide another use for this guy:

Transformers G1 1987 Misfire Gallery

Change a few minor parts, and there ya go.

I think Slugslinger is more likely for this mold, and Misfire with Triggerhappy.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855728)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 29th, 2017 @ 5:17pm CST

SillySpringer wrote:I think Slugslinger is more likely for this mold, and Misfire with Triggerhappy.

You sure?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855734)
Posted by Deadput on January 29th, 2017 @ 5:37pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:I think Slugslinger is more likely for this mold, and Misfire with Triggerhappy.

You sure?

I mean it's obvious that's what Hasbro has planned for them.

I think I remember seeing Misfire on the leaked rumor listings that have pretty much been 100% correct thus far.

Could someone find that list to confirm?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855736)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 5:52pm CST

Deadput wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:I think Slugslinger is more likely for this mold, and Misfire with Triggerhappy.

You sure?

I mean it's obvious that's what Hasbro has planned for them.

I think I remember seeing Misfire on the leaked rumor listings that have pretty much been 100% correct thus far.

Could someone find that list to confirm?

Oh there's no doubt from anyone here that Misfire is coming, there's simply debate over whether he'll come from Triggerhappy or Topspin.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855738)
Posted by dragons on January 29th, 2017 @ 6:01pm CST

His ship and bot mode are good plane mode suck

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855753)
Posted by Hydrargyrus on January 29th, 2017 @ 8:28pm CST

Okay.. I guess I'll state my opinions:
Given that I just read Last Stand (First IDW series I've read other than Dark Cybertron), Perceptor looks nice. Topspin looks good due to the fact that he needed an update, and for his potential use as Misfire or Twin Twist. However, if I get either, it'll just be because I have the originals.
I actually kind of Krok, especially in Croc mode, but I also have very little connection to the character (like I said, new to IDW), and I'm technically colorblind. I also might pick up Kup, Broadside, or Brawn simply because they appear to be pretty decent figures. Roadburn is a good sign for fans of throttlebots. Sky Shadow looks pretty nice, but probably not going to be worth Leader price.
So, there's my opinion.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855759)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on January 29th, 2017 @ 8:50pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:I think Slugslinger is more likely for this mold, and Misfire with Triggerhappy.

You sure?

I am not 100% sure, but compare the two molds. Both have their similarities.

Topspin has the bulkier jet butt and two front cone pieces like Misfire, and Triggerhappy has a more similar transformation to the legs like Misfire. Plus, if you were to put tail wings on Topspin's alt mode, it would either be the pointing the wrong way in vehicle mode, OR wrong in robot mode, because the legs are upside down in alt mode for Topspin.

Who knows though? Maybe they'll use both and mix them? It seems almost just as likely now to get a new/mixed mold as a repaint with the success with TR.

Edit: It seems fairly likely to get a mixed mold for Misfire because of the pretty much predetermined need for a heavily modified body for SLugslinger, and we all know how much work they would need to put into him.

Transformers G1 1987 Slugslinger Gallery

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855767)
Posted by william-james88 on January 29th, 2017 @ 9:37pm CST

Deadput wrote:Could someone find that list to confirm?

Yup, its here:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/36337/

But it includes both misfire and slugslinger

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855775)
Posted by Kurona on January 29th, 2017 @ 9:54pm CST

SillySpringer wrote:Who knows though? Maybe they'll use both and mix them? It seems almost just as likely now to get a new/mixed mold as a repaint with the success with TR.

Edit: It seems fairly likely to get a mixed mold for Misfire because of the pretty much predetermined need for a heavily modified body for SLugslinger, and we all know how much work they would need to put into him.

I'd call that off-the-wall bizarre speculation, but after Scourge and Highbrow... screw it, anything's possible. At this rate they'll find a way to retool TR Hot Rod into Masterpiece Astrotrain.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855780)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on January 29th, 2017 @ 10:24pm CST

Kurona wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:Who knows though? Maybe they'll use both and mix them? It seems almost just as likely now to get a new/mixed mold as a repaint with the success with TR.

Edit: It seems fairly likely to get a mixed mold for Misfire because of the pretty much predetermined need for a heavily modified body for SLugslinger, and we all know how much work they would need to put into him.

I'd call that off-the-wall bizarre speculation, but after Scourge and Highbrow... screw it, anything's possible. At this rate they'll find a way to retool TR Hot Rod into Masterpiece Astrotrain.

It's not as off-the-wall as you think. I am a type that likes to watch reviews multiple times and study the transformations, and I can tell you that for accuracy's sake, Triggerhappy would work much better for Misfire. It makes sense also since Triggerhappy's nosecone could be retooled very easily since it's just a piece sitting on the back, whereas Topspin's cockpit assembly is very subject to base engineering. So in my opinion, they'll probably either just use Triggerhappy for Misfire, or use Topspin's base and highly change the transformation for the legs.

Edit: I will give you one issue, and that is Triggerhappy's arms. While his legs transform exactly like Misfire's, and seem pretty obviously like a pretool-ish agenda, his arms are like neither Misfire's nor Slugslinger's in alt modes. Topspin's arms actually fold into the sides just like Misfire and Slugsslinger. That's why I am thinking mold-mixing might be something they do.

ANOTHER Edit: Now that I look at it, Misfire's arms just fold up under the wings. This makes Triggerhappy look like an even more likely retool into Misfire rather than Topspin and his integrating arm transformation a la Slugslinger.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855799)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 29th, 2017 @ 11:41pm CST

Forget Magnificus, I want that Perceptor redone as The Chairman!

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855800)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 29th, 2017 @ 11:43pm CST

I refuse to believe the back end of Broadside's jet mode is really that bad. I mean, it's not like the designers at HasTak are complete idiots. Badly mistransformed stock photos are one thing, but when have we ever actually gotten a toy whose vehicle mode wasnt superb or at the very very least justifiably, understandably, impossible to achieve accurately? Theres got to be a hidden second knee joint, or a waist swivel, or something.. Some...THING!!!

But anyway, the more i see of Black Shadow, the more i like him. Can't wait for Overlord!

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855806)
Posted by Kurona on January 30th, 2017 @ 12:07am CST

Nemesis Maximo wrote:I refuse to believe the back end of Broadside's jet mode is really that bad. I mean, it's not like the designers at HasTak are complete idiots. Badly mistransformed stock photos are one thing, but when have we ever actually gotten a toy whose vehicle mode wasnt superb or at the very very least justifiably, understandably, impossible to achieve accurately? Theres got to be a hidden second knee joint, or a waist swivel, or something.. Some...THING!!!

But anyway, the more i see of Black Shadow, the more i like him. Can't wait for Overlord!

It's not just the back end - the wings are hilariously bad in their placement.

Still... this is the saving grace of a Triple Changer. If one mode's bad, it doesn't hurt the entire toy or transformation when two of them are still absolutely gorgeous. Far as I'm concerned, this dude turns into a ship and doesn't have a jet mode.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855809)
Posted by Emerje on January 30th, 2017 @ 12:14am CST

Sabrblade wrote:Forget Magnificus, I want that Perceptor redone as The Chairman!

Allez cuisine!

Wait, wrong chairman...

Emerje

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855816)
Posted by Insurgent on January 30th, 2017 @ 1:44am CST

Sillyspringer, you seem to be basing your theory on one flaw. You're saying they will transform exactly like g1 toys. They won't. They also wont be 100% g1 toy accurate. Well, not guaranteed. Look at kup.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855817)
Posted by WreckerJack on January 30th, 2017 @ 1:52am CST

Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855818)
Posted by fenrir72 on January 30th, 2017 @ 2:07am CST

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Ok, so catching up here:

1) the leader seekers were a terrible idea. 3 leader repaints in a line that had tons of repaints. It was awful. Skywarp is still clogging the walmart shelves around here, hence why in the past 2 weeks are the first times I've seen wave 1 leaders from TR, and one of the walmarts don't even have TR leaders yet. Now, I like my Thundercracker, but it was still a bad idea.

2) Roadburn, Brawn, Krok, Perceptor, and Sky Shadow are amazing. Broadsides plane mode is still shite. Kup still looks weird.

3) checked my walmarts today. they are out of TR stuff and mostly out of RiD stuff. When asked, they won't be receiving anything TF related for at least 3 weeks due to backorder. So yeah, Transformers on backorder here till at least the end of February.

Compared to this?

Not perfect but waaaaaay improved.

Heck even 3rd party managed this

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855822)
Posted by kirbenvost on January 30th, 2017 @ 2:32am CST

I cannot believe how good this line is. I just want nearly all of them. Black Shadow is amazing, Broadside looks sweet despite the wonky jet mode, all the Deluxes are great (even Kup), and even Brawn is exciting. Best time to be a TF collector!

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855823)
Posted by Qwan on January 30th, 2017 @ 2:33am CST

WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

It... seems to be? The price isn't that unreasonably low, especially considering that it's being sold more-or-less 'loose' (regardless whether it's actually 'used' or not), and I can't see any differences from the official Hasbro. (Additionally, the description shows no signs of misleading information, the product itself is rated well - admittedly out of two ratings - and the seller seems to be pretty trustworthy if I'm reading the confusing eBay information correctly.) Of course, I'm nowhere close to a be-all end-all source of knowledge and advice, but to my untrained self it seems like it probably is in fact legit.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855827)
Posted by WreckerJack on January 30th, 2017 @ 3:49am CST

Qwan wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

It... seems to be? The price isn't that unreasonably low, especially considering that it's being sold more-or-less 'loose' (regardless whether it's actually 'used' or not), and I can't see any differences from the official Hasbro. (Additionally, the description shows no signs of misleading information, the product itself is rated well - admittedly out of two ratings - and the seller seems to be pretty trustworthy if I'm reading the confusing eBay information correctly.) Of course, I'm nowhere close to a be-all end-all source of knowledge and advice, but to my untrained self it seems like it probably is in fact legit.

What raises my red flag is that it is from China because a lot of bootlegs come out of China for lower cost. Also I do remember that a while back some stolen WWE figures were sold out of China at a super low cost too.

Edit - looks like they got a negative rating on a Sharkticon https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedback.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.d%20...%209228278021%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Guess my spidey senses were on point.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855830)
Posted by Qwan on January 30th, 2017 @ 4:05am CST

WreckerJack wrote:
Qwan wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

It... seems to be? The price isn't that unreasonably low, especially considering that it's being sold more-or-less 'loose' (regardless whether it's actually 'used' or not), and I can't see any differences from the official Hasbro. (Additionally, the description shows no signs of misleading information, the product itself is rated well - admittedly out of two ratings - and the seller seems to be pretty trustworthy if I'm reading the confusing eBay information correctly.) Of course, I'm nowhere close to a be-all end-all source of knowledge and advice, but to my untrained self it seems like it probably is in fact legit.

What raises my red flag is that it is from China because a lot of bootlegs come out of China for lower cost. Also I do remember that a while back some stolen WWE figures were sold out of China at a super low cost too.

Edit - looks like they got a negative rating on a Sharkticon https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedback.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.d%20...%209228278021%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Guess my spidey senses were on point.

Hmm, still hard to tell. To play devil's advocate here, that's only a single negative review out of 319 Gnaw purchases (and also compared to at least 6 positive reviews, probably more I didn't look too far). A couple of the other negative feedbacks on other products raised a few flags for me too, what with claiming they were "not real Transformers" and "yard-sale quality" - but as it turns out, those other items were in fact various (declared...ish? Not labelled explicitly but not trying to masquerade as official product either) KO's and 3P toys.

So I still don't really know if we can draw a conclusion from what we have, but I definitely wouldn't recommend going for this one. I imagine Gnaw will be showing up fairly widespread pretty soon, so no need to take a gamble just on the off chance of saving some time and a few bucks. (One thing I can say for certain from their feedback page though, is that they are short-tempered and rather prone to childishness. Not the most pleasant quality you'd look for in a salesman

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Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855846)
Posted by william-james88 on January 30th, 2017 @ 8:18am CST

As we indicated the other day, the street date for the 4th wave of Titans Return toys has passed and while they won't be available domestically in the US for a little while, they are now popping up online in great number. E-bay now has several listings for all the characters in the wave and depending on where you are wolrdwide, it may even be at a similar price to the one you would pay.

For instance, here is a whole set of the deluxe class including Perceptor, Krok, Quake, Topspin and Kup for US $129.99 / £104, from the animetropolis store.

There is also Roadburn for US $11.90 from from the Element+JoeyYamamoto.

The premium differs from store to store, as does the shipping. But for anyone wanting them now or worried of not getting them later, these are viable options.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855854)
Posted by Kyleor on January 30th, 2017 @ 8:56am CST

I hope a lot of third-party or Shapeways folks leap on the chance to make sets of guns to replace all the awful looking ones with "seats".

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855859)
Posted by william-james88 on January 30th, 2017 @ 9:21am CST

WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Why wouldnt it be legit? These are new toys, there hasnt been a chance to KO them yet. So yes, this is the legit toy. However, due to it not having a box, it is probably a factory reject. The person probably made a deal with the factory to get their rejects, they might be stolen, who knows.

Back when toys were made in China, there was a lot more stuff like this, and we were able to get crazy deals on toys which didnt have packaging. Like Exclusive Cloud figures for $20 and Calvin Johnson Megatron toys for $10-$15.

But unless you live in a place that does not stock Transformer toys (like many parts of Vietnam, ironically), I would wait for you to buy this in stores or online from a standard retailer. It could even be cheaper and it would come new in its box.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855863)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 30th, 2017 @ 9:36am CST

william-james88 wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Why wouldnt it be legit? These are new toys, there hasnt been a chance to KO them yet. So yes, this is the legit toy. However, due to it not having a box, it is probably a factory reject. The person probably made a deal with the factory to get their rejects, they might be stolen, who knows.

Back when toys were made in China, there was a lot more stuff like this, and we were able to get crazy deals on toys which didnt have packaging. Like Exclusive Cloud figures for $20 and Calvin Johnson Megatron toys for $10-$15.

But unless you live in a place that does not stock Transformer toys (like many parts of Vietnam, ironically), I would wait for you to buy this in stores or online from a standard retailer. It could even be cheaper and it would come new in its box.

Plus, $0.49 shipping from a seller in China? That is probably going to be a fairly long wait just to see if the quality is there for essentially the same price if you are in the US. Heck, you may even find them locally while you are waiting for this one to arrive.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855866)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 30th, 2017 @ 9:52am CST

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Plus, $0.49 shipping from a seller in China? That is probably going to be a fairly long wait just to see if the quality is there for essentially the same price if you are in the US. Heck, you may even find them locally while you are waiting for this one to arrive.

I wouldn't go that far, let's try to be realistic here :lol:

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855876)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 30th, 2017 @ 10:22am CST

fenrir72 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Broadsides plane mode is still shite

Compared to this?

Not perfect but waaaaaay improved.

Heck even 3rd party managed this

Both of those still look much better than this guy as he is officially Transformed. Seriously, that jet mode on TR Broadside is a compete joke and looks worse.

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855880)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 30th, 2017 @ 10:28am CST

Gotta agree with D-Max on this one, his approximate jet mode is rather abhorrent :SICK:

Strangely enough, I feel that it would fit Tidalwave as a huge, unsubtle war machine :-?

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855881)
Posted by Kurona on January 30th, 2017 @ 10:32am CST

Hellscream9999 wrote:Strangely enough, I feel that it would fit Tidalwave as a huge, unsubtle war machine

"Tidal Wave... you're supposed to be transforming into a Jet Mo--"
"Tidal Wave DESTROY"

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855883)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 30th, 2017 @ 10:35am CST

Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside) :-?

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855887)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 30th, 2017 @ 10:38am CST

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

Official pictures and in hand pictures have the jet mode looking like that. If it's mistransformed, every single person to get has been doing it wrong then

Re: More In-Hand Images of Transformers Titans Return Wave 4, Feat. Brawn, Krok, Broadside, Black Shadow (1855896)
Posted by Deadput on January 30th, 2017 @ 11:34am CST

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

How is Takara even supposed to change the jet mode do you think Takara would make new tooling?

In that case why would Hasbro not just release that version then?

I think the only differences are going to be paint.

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