New Images of MP-39 Masterpiece Sunstreaker

360 view really showcases how bad the backpack is from all sides

Backpack isn't so bad when you consider what a backpack is.

Ravage XK wrote:Backpack isn't so bad when you consider what a backpack is.

Or compared to other recent figures. I think 'streakers is very well done.

The backpack is a bit... I believe the word is 'yikes'. But aside from that and some colour choices and the fact I personally don't like the head he looks great!

Hot dang he looks awesome. Backpack = win. I prefer it to Hot Rodimus' just because the intakes are forward from the back of the backpack compared to Hot Rodimus' wing being on the back of the backpack. If you get what I'm saying.

REGARDLESS! Bought. Glad I played the long game. Maybe that's what I'll do from now on.

Backpack looks alright. Sunstreaker in general is a pretty ugly character despite what he thinks of himself. Never liked his head design either. One of the worst of all the Autobot cars.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Backpack looks alright. Sunstreaker in general is a pretty ugly character despite what he thinks of himself. Never liked his head design either. One of the worst of all the Autobot cars.

That's just straight up crazy talk man......

Would someone please explain to me where the "I hate back packs" way of thinking originated. Is it derivative of the Bayverse? Or the G1 cartoon?
I just don't get it. 98.6% of every Transformers toy I have handled/owned over the last 32 years has a pack pack of some kind. To me it just comes with the territory. I mean I guess I could think of a few that are over the top or cumbersome, but what exactly do those who dislike back packs expect?

I'm not trying to be an asshat. It's a criticism that never crossed my mind until I entered the fandom and heard it from others.

Sunsurge has a backpack but nowhere as big as that one

Bumblebee21 wrote:Sunsurge has a backpack but nowhere as big as that one

Doesn't really answer my question Bee. So you dislike this back pack because it's too big?

Does the general disdain for back packs come from the idealistic pursuit of screen accuracy?

He did have a bit of a "backpack" in the cartoon, anyway.
Sometimes it was drawn compact something less.





Nothing severe as this guy...





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OK. Even Jazz and Sideswipe have their wind shilds on their pack in those drawings. which I consider to be a back pack.

And that reminds me Cyber P. Suntreaker's pack is really kind of one of those iconic details for the character. Like the Seekers shoulder vents, or the Datsons' door wings.

So then I ask again, where does the criticism of back packs come from? Just trying to wrap my mind around it.

And not to beat the poor dead horse, but by golly I love the over all silhouette of Sunstreaker, but the head just kills it for me. PLEASE Takara, do some Diaclone homage with a toy accurate head and will buy it with out hesitation.

Look at most of the deluxe bees.that's a backpack.

This just does look clean to me.

Where do the hate over buttflaps come from

Bumblebee21 wrote:Look at most of the deluxe bees.that's a backpack.

This just does look clean to me.

No. I think that is a fair criticism. But it seems like the existence of a back pack at all, seems to put off a lot of folks.

Bumblebee21 wrote:Where do the hate over buttflaps come from

That was going to be my next question!

Cobotron wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:Look at most of the deluxe bees.that's a backpack.

This just doesn't look clean to me.

No. I think that is a fair criticism. But it seems like the existence of a back pack at all, seems to put off a lot of folks.

Bumblebee21 wrote:Where do the hate over buttflaps come from

That was going to be my next question!

Depends on how messy it is as well.


This one has an Autobot symbol for a butt flap.

I think it started with mp-22

It's like kibble (and arguably it IS kibble, but let's not split hairs for now). It's fine and arguably necessary in moderation, but it's when it goes into excess that it becomes a problem. Most of us like Prowl having door wings or Starscream proudly displaying his wings in Robot mode, right? Helps to make them good designs. But I doubt we'd like them that much if all the vehicle mode parts integrated into them were hanging off them; like how a lot of the lazier Beast Wars figures (especially in Neo) are just generic robots with animal parts hanging off them rather than actually using animal parts as part of their body.

Likewise, a backpack helps round out the body shape and can become a good part of a character's profile; but if it's very large and it stuffs so many vehicle parts in there rather than those vehicle parts being integrated into the body or otherwise contributing to the robot mode in a positive way... it becomes a negative. It's all about moderation

OK, good answer K. Thanks.
I guess for me packs have never been an issue. I just see them as something that makes the function of transforming possible for the toys. But things like back packs, butt flaps, and even kibble have never bothered me. (how dare you slander BW Neo! )
But I agree on the moderation. there are plenty of packs that are excessive. Like a lot of movie toys that are trying to achieve screen accuracy, and just can't physically, in real time and space do so with out cheating.
The worst is when a back pack throws of a toys center of gravity and they can't even stand. Enter heel spurs!

Cobotron wrote:OK. Even Jazz and Sideswipe have their wind shilds on their pack in those drawings. which I consider to be a back pack.

And that reminds me Cyber P. Suntreaker's pack is really kind of one of those iconic details for the character. Like the Seekers shoulder vents, or the Datsons' door wings.

So then I ask again, where does the criticism of back packs come from? Just trying to wrap my mind around it.

And not to beat the poor dead horse, but by golly I love the over all silhouette of Sunstreaker, but the head just kills it for me. PLEASE Takara, do some Diaclone homage with a toy accurate head and will buy it with out hesitation.

I think for me, the hatred comes from these figures supposedly being Masterpiece figures. I understand that a backpack at times may be necessary, due to the engineering of the figure, but I don't think it should be there on a masterpiece level figure. They should have much cleaner backs, ideally. I usually get over it with time.

Cobotron wrote:Would someone please explain to me where the "I hate back packs" way of thinking originated. Is it derivative of the Bayverse? Or the G1 cartoon?
I just don't get it. 98.6% of every Transformers toy I have handled/owned over the last 32 years has a pack pack of some kind. To me it just comes with the territory. I mean I guess I could think of a few that are over the top or cumbersome, but what exactly do those who dislike back packs expect?

I'm not trying to be an asshat. It's a criticism that never crossed my mind until I entered the fandom and heard it from others.

I've always felt complaints like that exist to help people justify not buying the figure because they can't afford it.

Aren't we forgetting the fact that some of those backpack parts are from the turbo kit found in vehicle mode? Isn't the turbo assembly removable in vehicle mode? Not sure why SS isn't shown in bot form without that assembly.