Official Hasbro Statement Clarifying Comments about TRANSFORMERS games by Activision

Ya think somebody at Hasbro is got bitched out?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Ya think somebody at Hasbro is got bitched out?

Probably, but I think this is more about sharing inside info and using negative language when referring to a company they want to work with (the whole companies eating companies thing). This sounds less like a correction and more like a public apology.

Emerje

Who originally said it?

TK415 wrote:Who originally said it?

Evan, the designer who works on the legacy core class figures.

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Ya think somebody at Hasbro is got bitched out?

Probably, but I think this is more about sharing inside info and using negative language when referring to a company they want to work with (the whole companies eating companies thing). This sounds less like a correction and more like a public apology.

Emerje

Yes, more an apology than a correction

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Ya think somebody at Hasbro is got bitched out?

Since it's Twitter I don't know if the intended tone is one of annoyance or just matter-of-fact, but the CCO at Activision got wind of the comments and posted this, which appears to have prompted the Hasbro apology: https://twitter.com/lulumeservey/status ... xhlNQ&s=19

Megatron and cliffjumper are in stock at Pulse, I ordered mine and they should be here soon.

As for GE figures: do proper Dinobots. But please do the live action dinobots first, let those get finished before we start GE ones, which I really want too

Both of the original Activision WFC and FOC games deserves at the very least a Steam port.

I'm sure that many would buy them even if they already have the originals on PS3 or X-360.
Myself included.

I hope Evan doesn't get in too much trouble, he's a designer, not a PR guy. And he's always come across as genuine. If anything, it's Activision's fault for not giving them the assets... I wouldn't be surprised if what Evan said was something someone from Activision told the design team so they'd stop asking for the 3D files, and he just parroted it(which I always find funny the Hasbro team calls "CAD", as they'd never call it that in the context of videogames, probably neither they would be in movies).

I was wondering about this whole thing myself. Software developers don't generally store their code on "hard drives" that get lost. They use version control tools that store the entire project somewhere remotely. You can't just "lose" that. It's pretty hard to just lose an entire software project.

Rtron wrote: And he's always come across as genuine.

Maybe, but he has a continuing streak of lack of brand knowledge on which ever brand they assign him to, definitely needs to be out of the lime light when it comes to talking about products.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Rtron wrote: And he's always come across as genuine.

Maybe, but he has a continuing streak of lack of brand knowledge on which ever brand they assign him to, definitely needs to be out of the lime light when it comes to talking about products.

I actually think he's one of the most interesting designers to hear talking about the toys.

Oddly enough, I skipped that whole era. Went from PS 2 to begrudgingly getting a PS4 when a few import games came out and I couldn't resist.

My son really wanted to play those games though, so he bought himself a PS3 I think he has a total of 5 games including WFC & FOC.

william-james88 wrote:

TK415 wrote:Who originally said it?

Evan, the designer who works on the legacy core class figures.

Awesome thanks WJ!

Rtron wrote:I hope Evan doesn't get in too much trouble, he's a designer, not a PR guy. And he's always come across as genuine. If anything, it's Activision's fault for not giving them the assets... I wouldn't be surprised if what Evan said was something someone from Activision told the design team so they'd stop asking for the 3D files, and he just parroted it(which I always find funny the Hasbro team calls "CAD", as they'd never call it that in the context of videogames, probably neither they would be in movies).

I second this. I hope he doesn't get in trouble, and I hope they don't tell him to say less. I agree Rtron, someone must have told him that from Activision.

blackeyedprime wrote:he has a continuing streak of lack of brand knowledge on which ever brand they assign him to

Can you give an example?

o.supreme wrote:Oddly enough, I skipped that whole era. Went from PS 2 to begrudgingly getting a PS4 when a few import games came out and I couldn't resist.

What couldnt you resist? Persona 5?

william-james88 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:he has a continuing streak of lack of brand knowledge on which ever brand they assign him to

Can you give an example?

Hasbro pulse thing way back:
Zoids - he said Zoids Wild toys was generation 2 of zoids...erm...90s and chrome was an actual thing, an actual thing called Zoids 2.

Fair enough if he is a designer and doesnt have to do much with toys that another company has designed but at least hype them right and respect the long history.

Most recent with the transformers comment on a super nintendo transformer released in Japan...which semantics aside would have been a super famicom transformer but it would have actually had to exist.

With transformers in the past some of the paint choices and explanations of why a character had to be this or that, cant remember the specifics. I know I havent watched that many pulse things or design talks with him in it but I'm pretty sure in near all of them there has been a lack of knowledge with the subject matter.

I believe it's entirely possible that designers like Evan may not even be exposed enough to the brand itself in their positions. They may be told "design this" and that's what they do - they design it. They probably get reference images from other media their designs are supposed to represent, but that doesn't necessarily mean they know the story behind the media or the characters they're working on. That job probably belongs to someone else on the team who specializes in that - you probably wouldn't want that guy actually designing Transformers figures like asking the designers and engineers to write stories

This comes from my experience as a professional number-cruncher and researcher who feeds the results of my work to other people who can use it better than I can for what the organization does.

I don't have any PR experience, and I don't mind that. That can be pretty scary, and there's also a department in my organization that specializes in that so that no one else has to.

This applies to every career, skill, and talent: If it were so easy, everyone would be doing it!

I dunno about Evan being all that unfamiliar with the brand, since some of the Hasbro Pulse livestreams have shown him to have a vast personal collection of figures from all across the past 39 years of the brand. One video even saw him hold up to the camera his copy of RID 2001 Landfill fully combined, and saying he'd like to see a new modern version of it made someday.

Sabrblade wrote:I dunno about Evan being all that unfamiliar with the brand, since some of the Hasbro Pulse livestreams have shown him to have a vast personal collection of figures from all across the past 39 years of the brand. One video even saw him hold up to the camera his copy of RID 2001 Landfill fully combined, and saying he'd like to see a new modern version of it made someday.

Seriously, he once literally had a shelf of his own filled to the brim with various old Optimus toys behind him while showing Ironhide.

And as Battlemaster says, PR is a pretty scary job and the transformers "lore" is super extense, the guy is a designer, which is an extensive enough discipline, if he's a fan on top of that and is even competent in front of a camera, then that's a nice bonus.

blackeyedprime wrote:With transformers in the past some of the paint choices and explanations of why a character had to be this or that, cant remember the specifics. I know I havent watched that many pulse things or design talks with him in it but I'm pretty sure in near all of them there has been a lack of knowledge with the subject matter.

Ok yes, this rings a bell. And now I remember that in that same interview he said he chose Nacelle to complete a trio, which is an odd thing to say if one is nitpicky.

Sabrblade wrote:One video even saw him hold up to the camera his copy of RID 2001 Landfill fully combined, and saying he'd like to see a new modern version of it made someday.

How is that a flex?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:One video even saw him hold up to the camera his copy of RID 2001 Landfill fully combined, and saying he'd like to see a new modern version of it made someday.

How is that a flex?

Landfill ain't exactly something an ignoramus would know about.

Yeah, Landfill is something I've heard a lot of even casual fans to go "Huh, who's that?" here and there.
Transformers is a pretty big brand split pretty noticeably across various regions, can't blame a guy for not being super familiar with every nook and cranny - especially as just the designer. Cool that he still does know some of the more "out there" things, though.

Check your Cliffjumpers. Like Brawn the small gun that comes with CJ can fall out of the tray and if you're lucky end up in the shipping box.

It's probably come up already. But if these re-releases happen, what are the odds of sequels/continuations?

Devastation did end on a cliffhanger. Arguably so did Fall of Cybertron. Unfortunately a pseudo-sequel did kill that momentum outright.

Also interesting to think that the Genericons of both games (and the Armada game) could in theory be represented in this line. Also Nemesis Prime ala Devastation's design.

So i got Cliffjumper and Megatron this weekend.

i found the Bee mold acceptable, and it can be fun, especially since I didn't get very many WFC/FOC molds back in the day, since I was a highschooler. Cliff continues that. He is decent, and I like the headsculpt. I need to pair him up with Jazz now.

As for Megatron, he is a legitimately bad figure in hand. The sculpt looks good, but that is about it. The knees really are terrible, they can lock in 2 positions and there is no inbetween or further movement. He also feels small in hand, compared to Prime. And considering his big ass weapon, I really thought he would have wrists, and he doesn't, which sucks. I don't like him, he's not good.

He does pull off some nice blast effects shots though

the squad so far, and the squad with more WFC-esque figures

Am I the only one that hasn't found any of these in stores or is that basically how it is for everyone?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Am I the only one that hasn't found any of these in stores or is that basically how it is for everyone?

Emerje

All of mine came from Pulse, i have not seen any SS figures that have come out this year in store outside of Cheetor and Battletrap

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:Am I the only one that hasn't found any of these in stores or is that basically how it is for everyone?

Emerje

All of mine came from Pulse, i have not seen any SS figures that have come out this year in store outside of Cheetor and Battletrap

I've seen those two as well as Bumblebee and Airazor a few times, haven't seen Scourge yet. Still, feels like two waves behind with Cliffjumper out now.

Emerje

For anyone who wanted to see the new Cliffjumper with FOC Jazz

Finished painting up WFC Bee! This figure grew on me a lot as I painted it, it's definitely better in-hand than early pics made it look. Still has some proportional issues, but I'm actually really enjoying it now!

I don't think I'll be getting too many of these figures, but I am glad I got Bee!

Oh, wow. Those new paint apps actually make the proportional issues look negligible.

Sabrblade wrote:Oh, wow. Those new paint apps actually make the proportional issues look negligible.

Thank you! I think the big details that help the proportions are the gunmetal on the lower legs and the alt mode flap that pokes below the chest that I painted to resemble Bee's lower abdomen

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Oh, wow. Those new paint apps actually make the proportional issues look negligible.

Thank you! I think the big details that help the proportions are the gunmetal on the lower legs and the alt mode flap that pokes below the chest that I painted to resemble Bee's lower abdomen

Yup. I "hate" that bee, but with more paint, I love it!

Still, there's one very important detail missing, and that's something you can't do with paint. The glowing neon lights details.
So, I really recommend you to get the Reprolabels for Gamer Bee. Then apply the labels needed only. With your paint and the Repros, you'll have perfection.

https://toyhax.com/for-foc-wfc-game/795 ... lebee.html

-Kanrabat- wrote:Yup. I "hate" that bee, but with more paint, I love it!

Still, there's one very important detail missing, and that's something you can't do with paint. The glowing neon lights details.
So, I really recommend you to get the Reprolabels for Gamer Bee. Then apply the labels needed only. With your paint and the Repros, you'll have perfection.

https://toyhax.com/for-foc-wfc-game/795 ... lebee.html

Thanks! Those reprolabels do look very nice, I wouldn't be able to get the same reflective effect with paint.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Yup. I "hate" that bee, but with more paint, I love it!

Still, there's one very important detail missing, and that's something you can't do with paint. The glowing neon lights details.
So, I really recommend you to get the Reprolabels for Gamer Bee. Then apply the labels needed only. With your paint and the Repros, you'll have perfection.

https://toyhax.com/for-foc-wfc-game/795 ... lebee.html

Thanks! Those reprolabels do look very nice, I wouldn't be able to get the same reflective effect with paint.

Ge5 the best of both worlds!

Plus the leftover labels could always be used for something else.

Reviving dead forum with Gamer Screamer pics that are not mine.

This jet mode is gonna suck.

Is it just me or does Screamer look small? Like, really small. Don't worry about reviving dead forums, this past week I was getting notifications about the Titans Return forum.

Oh boy. Screamers look like he have a wasp abdomen as a chest. That cockpit part looks vile.

Quantum Surge wrote:Reviving dead forum with Gamer Screamer pics that are not mine.

As long as it's on topic nobody is going to care.

BTW, you can attach multiple images, you don't need to make a post for each one.

Emerje

Starscream's chest seems really bulbous.

Dunno what it is about gamer edition, but there have been some odd choices made.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Starscream's chest seems really bulbous.

Dunno what it is about gamer edition, but there have been some odd choices made.

That chest could have been made with a fake part while the real cockpit would have been hidden inside. I think the inevitable Reprolabels set will fix that.

As forvthe vehicle mode it's accurate to the concept art, but I haven found a clear picture of the in game model.

Starscream looked way better in today's reveal than in any of the pictures. It seems that it's not an ugly toy, but rather, just not a very photogenic one when it comes to still images.

Rtron wrote:Starscream looked way better in today's reveal than in any of the pictures. It seems that it's not an ugly toy, but rather, just not a very photogenic one when it comes to still images.

They all looked better in the stream than in hand. Soundwave is a bit skinny since it seems like they tried to really stretch him from Deluxe almost Voyager height but he looked a little better on the table.

They kept stressing that these figures were only going to get a limited release on Pulse and Amazon so I'm curious how long they'll stay in stock. Maybe this is their version of a "First Edition" since we're so far from the game release and a proper SS Gamer Edition will come later to retail.

They also said these were on the boat and will be out before the end of the year, but Pulse says February so we'll see if they're being optimistic or not.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Rtron wrote:Starscream looked way better in today's reveal than in any of the pictures. It seems that it's not an ugly toy, but rather, just not a very photogenic one when it comes to still images.

They all looked better in the stream than in hand. Soundwave is a bit skinny since it seems like they tried to really stretch him from Deluxe almost Voyager height but he looked a little better on the table.

Rtron was talking about WFC/FOC Starscream, not Reactivate Starscream (which has its own thread).

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Rtron wrote:Starscream looked way better in today's reveal than in any of the pictures. It seems that it's not an ugly toy, but rather, just not a very photogenic one when it comes to still images.

They all looked better in the stream than in hand. Soundwave is a bit skinny since it seems like they tried to really stretch him from Deluxe almost Voyager height but he looked a little better on the table.

Rtron was talking about WFC/FOC Starscream, not Reactivate Starscream (which has its own thread).

Ah, right, an hour of sleep does that to me...

Emerje

I got Starscream, and he isn't bad in person. Pretty nice and stocky really. Although something that I am getting annoyed with is them not giving us a tab on the back to store the arm after wave 1. I like using the weapon replacing arm gimmick, but I prefer to store the arm somewhere.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I got Starscream, and he isn't bad in person. Pretty nice and stocky really. Although something that I am getting annoyed with is them not giving us a tab on the back to store the arm after wave 1. I like using the weapon replacing arm gimmick, but I prefer to store the arm somewhere.

Ya think we're missing something obvious in regards to storing the limb?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I got Starscream, and he isn't bad in person. Pretty nice and stocky really. Although something that I am getting annoyed with is them not giving us a tab on the back to store the arm after wave 1. I like using the weapon replacing arm gimmick, but I prefer to store the arm somewhere.

Ya think we're missing something obvious in regards to storing the limb?

Nope, there is no tab or anything to tab it.

Picked up Sideswipe on sale at Target today, he’s pretty cool! I was planning on just picking up the bots who appeared significantly in Fall of Cybertron, but at $14 I figured I’d give it a try. Certainly a massive improvement over the original Fall of Cybertron deluxe, the feet are pretty bad but the transformation is cool, it’s a fun figure overal!