Pictorial Review of Transformers Titans Return Full Tilt (Trypticon Set)
Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 10:18PM CDT
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Qwan wrote:PREPARE FOR INCOMING HUGE REVIEW. AND NOT EVEN OF TRYPTICON, THIS IS JUST FULL TILT. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE A MAN A SINGLE TOY, THREE HOURS AND A MESSAGEBOARD.
And now, to add to the number of people who have claimed Trypticon as their own, I grabbed one for myself before work this morning! Suffice to say I can't open or play with the big guy yet, but that just means I can focus more on the other things that would've been overshadowed had I tried to give thoughts about all of them at once.
Things like, the box:
(It claims that there's one figure inside, which is kinda wrong however you look at it.)
The collector's card:
(Still nowhere near as strong as Alpha Trion though. (I'm also hesitant to believe that a robot dinosaur the size of an entire city would have nearly 1.5x Blurr's speed.))
The sticker sheet:
(At a glance, I believe there were upwards of 160 stickers! This is gonna take a while...)
The fact that Full Tilt is packaged slotted into Tryp already, making him really hard and really scary to get out without freeing the main attraction as well:
(Seriously, do not try to extract Full Tilt while leaving Trypticon in the package. It felt awful and I'm pretty sure I got really lucky not breaking anything (to my knowledge). Also Necro comes already sitting inside Full Tilt, which is kinda cute and a fun surprise. Like a Kinder egg, except the egg is a plastic toy too!)
And Full Tilt himself:
So, for a quick "review" of Full Tilt. Starting from vehicle mode he's pretty nice looking, even if I'm not too fond of the 'two-pronged-car' look in general. It looks suitably non-Earthlike and in fact has what's usually one of my favorite things to see in non-Earth TF vehicles - a lack of any real 'cockpit' area, instead opting for the general shape of a canopy but done up in the same opaque purple as the rest of the toy. (Kind of ironic seeing as this is the one line where Cybertronian vehicles having cockpits would actually make some sense for once.) On the subject of the colors there's no paint to speak of, but the matching of the 'regular' and 'stress-resistant' plastics is quite good, for better or worse since it means that he really is one single color all over.
As you can see he's a little small next to Topspin (the only other TF I have on hand right now), which means he's basically exactly Deluxe size.
Necro is purple. (In all seriousness there's not much to say; he's your standard Titan Master, with maybe sliiightly looser shoulder joints thank I'd like, but still nowhere near as bad as GXort's were.
Full Tilt has, as far as I can tell, two TM pegs, one on each side by the cockpit. (The cockpit itself does its job perfectly well, but there's really not much to say about it. It holds a Titan Master, yay. It does blend into the vehicle mode's shapes really well though - until I had him in hand I wasn't even 100% sure where the cockpit was, or if he even had one!)
Transformation was actually considerably more involved than I was expecting! I mean it's nothing incredible and I'd still be fairly underwhelmed if I saw it on a regular Deluxe figure, but it had one or two little details that I wasn't expecting. (Worth noting also, that Necro is pretty tough to get pegged into the neck, on my copy at least. Not scarily so though, and all it means is that Full Tilt suffers no bobble-head issues in robot mode.) And once it's done, you end up with an extremely purple robot!
Same applies as in vehicle mode; slightly smaller than Topspin, therefore exact Deluxe size. I imagine he's pretty much the same general mass and volume as Perceptor, though I can't check that right now. The near-unbroken-single-color thing works a lot better for him than it did for Blurr, IMO - maybe it's just because it's such a delicious purple this time but he just pulls the look off really well!
He has a decent range of articulation, but it's severely undercut by the fact that his feet are totally flat to the ground. People can say what they like about cut A-stances on their Transformers' feet, but they really do help with making posing not feel awful at least. He just always feels wobbly, and like he's going to tip over - even standing straight but with his legs a fraction of a degree apart makes him feel extremely precarious. I guess it's true that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. He looks pretty great once he's posed, though - even with my amateurish attempts!
On top of moving well, almost all of his joints are nice and tight, but not scarily so! I say almost because his backpack is comprised of two separate pieces that rotate around the same pin - they have really great friction against each other, but are both extremely loose on the main joint they're connected to, if that makes sense. Basically it means that his backpack just flippy-floops all around, but luckily it gets held down by gravity most of the time (as long as he's not actually upside-down it shouldn't cause an issue). It's also probably just an issue on mine too, so suffice to say he's really satisfying to pose since he holds everything so well. (Except that those feet ruin it. Urgh. )
(Unrelated-to-anything side note: his arms really remind me of smaller versions of CW/UW Scrapper's. I don't have any particular feelings on that, it's just a really strong connection that I'm feeling here and I felt the need to comment on it.)
Thanks to the extra few transformation tricks I mentioned above (the particular one I refer to here is basically the same concept as the CW Dead End mold's calf transformation), Full Tilt's calves end up being covered from all four sides, which means he looks great from basically any angle! Even, dare I say it, I almost think he looks better from the back than from the front, and that's not an insult to how he looks front-on! I just love the way the back looks, for some indiscernible reason.
And that about wraps it up, I think. Holy cow that was long. I really did not think I had that much to say about one single (fairly plain, all things considered) figure. Long story short, he looks fantastic and is pretty decent on his own, albeit with a few shortcomings that make him a little less fun than I'd have liked. If I were to buy him as a regular Deluxe figure, at full Deluxe price, I'd probably feel pretty underwhelmed even though he's actually quite decent from an objective standpoint. (And I do like him! I'd put him at least equal with Cerebros, his packed-with-a-Titan buddy, if not higher since he can actually function as a self-sufficient Transformer. He just... doesn't feel quite up to scratch for the size-class he's approximating.) But he's not a standalone item, is he? Coming whenever I get around to it: the big guy...
(Bonus head-swap with Topspin! Yeah, he doesn't look great with Freezeout - and I'm gonna guess, probably the same with just about any TM that's not primarily purple, so maybe Apeface'll be good on him? But it looks like Necro's gonna be fantastic on a lot of bots, if his combination with Topspin is anything to go by!)
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Posted by bodrock on June 21st, 2017 @ 10:40pm CDT
Now I MUST HAVE TRYPTICON.
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 21st, 2017 @ 11:12pm CDT
Posted by bodrock on June 21st, 2017 @ 11:19pm CDT
Posted by Terrsolpix on June 21st, 2017 @ 11:29pm CDT
Posted by Ultra Markus on June 21st, 2017 @ 11:37pm CDT
too bad, i like the different shades of purple
Posted by Terrsolpix on June 21st, 2017 @ 11:38pm CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:its a bit different than this
too bad, i like the different shades of purple
Ewwwwwwwwww. Why does he look like an eggplantformer?
Posted by LE0KING on June 22nd, 2017 @ 7:34am CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:its a bit different than this
too bad, i like the different shades of purple
That's the theme of this line. It has to look like it did 30 years ago, no matter how crappy that makes the toy.
Posted by kurthy on June 22nd, 2017 @ 8:46am CDT
Posted by Hydrargyrus on June 22nd, 2017 @ 9:30am CDT
Qwan wrote:I'm also hesitant to believe that a robot dinosaur the size of an entire city would have nearly 1.5x Blurr's speed.
Technically speaking, if Trypticon is huge, his speed would be high in mph or km/h, given that a single footstep is absolutely massive.
I think.
Posted by Omegatron. on June 22nd, 2017 @ 1:02pm CDT
kurthy wrote:I think the lack of an A stance is an improvement. You can't do one-legged poses with an A stance without a stand.
Of course you can, it just depends on the toy and the pose.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on June 22nd, 2017 @ 1:30pm CDT
MagicDeath wrote:Qwan wrote:I'm also hesitant to believe that a robot dinosaur the size of an entire city would have nearly 1.5x Blurr's speed.
Technically speaking, if Trypticon is huge, his speed would be high in mph or km/h, given that a single footstep is absolutely massive.
I think.
I assume his spacecraft mode should factor in too; if he has interstellar capabilities, most iterations of Blurr should be eating his dust.
Posted by kurthy on June 22nd, 2017 @ 3:46pm CDT
Omegatron. wrote:kurthy wrote:I think the lack of an A stance is an improvement. You can't do one-legged poses with an A stance without a stand.
Of course you can, it just depends on the toy and the pose.
That's kind of my point. You can only do one pose where they are heavily over balanced. I want some high kicks, not side kicks.
It also makes it much harder to do walking poses and the like since the center of gravity is rarely over the foot with an A stance.
Posted by Omegatron. on June 22nd, 2017 @ 5:02pm CDT
kurthy wrote:Omegatron. wrote:kurthy wrote:I think the lack of an A stance is an improvement. You can't do one-legged poses with an A stance without a stand.
Of course you can, it just depends on the toy and the pose.
That's kind of my point. You can only do one pose where they are heavily over balanced. I want some high kicks, not side kicks.
It also makes it much harder to do walking poses and the like since the center of gravity is rarely over the foot with an A stance.
You can still just about manage that, and this is with the toy with the most slanted feet I've ever seen.
Posted by Qwan on June 22nd, 2017 @ 10:10pm CDT
He is definitely shorter than the Maxtroplex mold (if you have them facing each other and put Trypticon at full standing height, he ends up gazing longingly at Max's robo-pecs), but as others have said he definitely feels like an equal match mass- and volume-wise. Especially if you're at angle where you can see that ridiculously beefy tail. City mode is also really cool-looking and expansive, though I haven't had the chance to compare to Max's (in official and/or fan configurations), but once again it feels like a much more impressive city/stronghold than the other molds' attempts.
Both altmodes are way more convincing than anything on the previous two cityformers, as long as you can disregard (or obstruct from view) the blatant dinosaur head sticking out the back. Yeah, there are little panels to cover the eyes so I guess that's nice, but his mouth is unable to close fully so it still always ends up looking less like a generic lump and more like a mildly surprised T-Rex sticking out the back of a spaceship (or city, as the case may be).
One thing to mention in particular, though, that I could've benefited from knowing for certain as I messed with Tryp for the first time: he absolutely does have forward-backward ratchets in his hips. Mine were very resistant to movement, to the point where it felt like there wasn't actually a joint there, and I spent a good ten minutes feeling like I was about to shear my new toy's legs off, and poring over the instructions trying to determine if I was reading them wrong.
Eventually I disassembled his hips, and confirmed that there was a ratchet there when it launched a positively huge spring at my face. Seriously, no surprise that the hips are hard to move when you've got a spring the length and thickness of a moderately-sized earthworm putting pressure on the ratchet. Luckily it was easy enough to reassemble, albeit with a modicum of constant force to keep the spring from exploding out again, and Trypticon has suffered no lasting impact. But the discovery stands: the figure's hips definitely can move forward and backward, even if it doesn't feel like it - and I've found the best way to get them to move, amusingly, is to not be delicate when you're trying to do so. (Within reason, of course. I am not responsible for any damage sustained by whacking your Transformer with a mallet to try and move its joints.)
As I mentioned at the start, I haven't had time to do a proper photoshoot yet (and he's not even fully stickered up either, so even if I did he wouldn't be at his movie-star best), but I managed to snap a pic of a fun little thing as I headed out this morning.
"Oh wow, you've got Grimlock, yeah that's real scary Prime. My dinosaur is a city and my personal attack spaceship. I think we both know whose is the better one."
I also brought Full Tilt to work again today, and I'm getting better at keeping him upright; I don't retract my statement about the trouble with his flat feet, but it's not as bad as I had thought it was yesterday. I can get him standing without issue on just the edge of one foot and the toe of the other, so that's pretty good!
Shots like this often look more dynamic if you take them at a 'Dutch Full-Tilt' angle. Sorrynotsorry
(Side note: I just checked my post history out of curiosity and that crazy-long Full Tilt review, probably the pinnacle of my writing on these boards so far, fittingly comprises my landmark of post number three hundred... and one. )
Posted by Va'al on June 22nd, 2017 @ 11:56pm CDT
Posted by Regimus Prime on June 23rd, 2017 @ 1:46am CDT
Posted by Qwan on June 23rd, 2017 @ 2:21am CDT
Regimus Prime wrote:NEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEED!!! Already got a retail version on pre-order on BBTS, a second one that will be held for me at my local TRU thanks to the store GM and a front of the line pass for the Hasbro Toy shop at this year's SDCC courtesy of my buddy that works with Hasbro so I can get my hands on that soon to be announced Con exclusive. Can't wait
Oh, Trypticon is truly fantastic. Believe me, you will love (at least one of) him.
Posted by dragons on June 23rd, 2017 @ 5:34am CDT
Qwan wrote:Regimus Prime wrote:NEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEEDNEED!!! Already got a retail version on pre-order on BBTS, a second one that will be held for me at my local TRU thanks to the store GM and a front of the line pass for the Hasbro Toy shop at this year's SDCC courtesy of my buddy that works with Hasbro so I can get my hands on that soon to be announced Con exclusive. Can't wait
Oh, Trypticon is truly fantastic. Believe me, you will love (at least one of) him.
Isn't one enough you really need two? Some people say 400 on statue is to much but buy titan class trypticon that's almost 400 right there plus shipping and handling with tax if you buy him online.
Been waiting patiently get him from first pictures that showed him in prototype stage finally trypticon is got upgrade look from countless versions of metroplex fortress Maximus and scorponok we got
Posted by Kurona on June 23rd, 2017 @ 6:47am CDT
Posted by Wolfman Jake on June 23rd, 2017 @ 6:32pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 23rd, 2017 @ 6:37pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Is there ANYTHING different now between the Takara Legends Trypticon release and the Hasbro Titan's Return version? They honestly look identical. Maybe Takara found it easier this time to just go with Hasbro's design and not bother the factory with changing up plastic colors or paint apps for their release in September?
Two circles on Trypticon's missile assembly on his back are painted grey in the Takara version. That's it. Unless it turns out to be a similar situation with Devastator where the colours used are ever-so-slightly-different hues that would be impossible to tell unless they're right next to each other... no other differences.
Posted by Stuartmaximus on June 24th, 2017 @ 3:09am CDT
or try this one
Posted by Qwan on June 24th, 2017 @ 6:15pm CDT
I have no idea what the exact problem is or what's causing it, and I'll be disassembling the hip (as I did with his other one previously to confirm that there were ratchets there) later today to see if I can diagnose or even fix the issue. If it comes to it I can probably even return him to the store for an exchange, with the hope that it's just an issue with my copy and not a widespread QC or design issue. But since I was the one advocating being rough with those same joints earlier, I figured it was a good idea to make sure I also issue a counter-warning given the new situation I've found myself in.
(I still totally recommend Trypticon as a whole though. He's a fantastic lump of robot and well worth your time and money - provided, of course, that this issue is either isolated or easily fixable.)
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2017 @ 9:14pm CDT
Hopefully this helps!
Posted by dragons on June 24th, 2017 @ 9:58pm CDT
Look forward to buy this guy
Posted by DeathReviews on June 24th, 2017 @ 10:24pm CDT
Posted by Qwan on June 25th, 2017 @ 2:29am CDT
Basically there's a little cross-shaped bit of plastic in the hips, that slots into a cross-shaped hole in a toothed piece of plastic that comprises half the ratchet - but because the spring is so strong, instead of the toothed piece compressing in and letting the joint move, instead the piece just rotates in place and totally wrecks the cross-shaped piece that's meant to stop it from doing so. Here's a couple images of inside mine's hips to hopefully make it clearer:
There's the two inner cross-shapes on the inside of his hips. The left hip of my Trypticon (which is on the right side of the picture ) is the one that's been wrecked, whereas the right one (on the left) is how it should look if nothing's gone wrong.
In between the two hips, now, is the piece that's meant to slot over that cross. You can see how it should slide right on there and be prevented from rotating, but as is obvious that hasn't been working properly. I realize now I should've taken a shot of the overly-strong spring, but I forgot oops. Rest assured it's insanely big, definitely much more so than is needed. (Ironically, Hasbro was probably trying to avoid issues by making it overly strong. Seems they can never win, can they...)
Closer-up shots of the two hips, first fine and the other wrecked. It's obvious that once this has happened, it isn't fixable. I'll be returning Trypticon for a new one tomorrow. (Sad to see the work I did on his stickers - a good four hours at least - go to waste but at least now I have a better grasp where they're meant to go, so I can maybe do them better this time around.)
Personally I won't be removing the ratchets altogether if I can help it, unlike the video suggests - even the strongest friction joints wear down eventually and I don't want my Trypticon to suddenly faceplant off his shelf one day. My current solution will be (once I exchange for a new one) to disassemble his hips, cut those springs down so they're less insane, and put them back in; hopefully if I hit the right balance, there should be enough pressure for the ratchets to still work but not so much that the ratchets lock up and destroy their non-movable housings. I'll play around with how much spring can be trimmed down (without compromising the ratchet) on my functioning hip tonight and I'll check back in tomorrow, hopefully with a new and less-breakable Trypticon, to let everyone know how the operation goes.
...I just wish that one of Hasbro's most impressive recent toys didn't self-destruct just by trying to pose it (or transform, for that matter).
Posted by Stuartmaximus on June 25th, 2017 @ 3:06am CDT
Posted by Ravage XK on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:32am CDT
Is this a deal breaker for anyone?
Posted by Va'al on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:36am CDT
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Posted by Albatross250 on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:50am CDT
Yes it hurts my wallet very much
Posted by Stuartmaximus on June 25th, 2017 @ 8:36am CDT
Albatross250 wrote:ALREADY SIGHTED AND AVAILABLE IN ASIA RETAILS?! (PH)
Yes it hurts my wallet very much
whaa....? the Takara version?
Posted by DeathReviews on June 25th, 2017 @ 9:07am CDT
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 25th, 2017 @ 12:09pm CDT
Ravage XK wrote:Well this is a huge disappointment. You'd think that QC would have caught this issue.
Is this a deal breaker for anyone?
Hell yes it is!!!
I really hope the guys at Takara are looking at what's going on. Look the bottom line is I don't fork out my hard earned money on TFs especially expensive ones to break apart due QC BS... . I also don't wish to have to open things up and fart around with parts, too much money is involved for me to have to do that. There may be those who may enjoy this or don't mind but not me.
So unless can help rectify things it pains me to say that I will not be getting Trypticon...'nuff said!
Posted by Kurona on June 25th, 2017 @ 12:31pm CDT
Posted by Ravage XK on June 25th, 2017 @ 12:52pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 25th, 2017 @ 1:06pm CDT
I was all excited about Tryppy coming soon and this has to pop up.
Posted by william-james88 on June 25th, 2017 @ 1:17pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:whaa....? the Takara version?
No, the Hasbro version. He wrote PH for philipines, so that can only mean Hasbro version since the takara version only sells in Japan.
Kurona wrote:We could also get a running change. Stuff like this happens all the time, right?
Yes it does. More reason for me to wait till after christmas for this toy.
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 25th, 2017 @ 1:27pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:whaa....? the Takara version?
No, the Hasbro version. He wrote PH for philipines, so that can only mean Hasbro version since the takara version only sells in Japan.Kurona wrote:We could also get a running change. Stuff like this happens all the time, right?
Yes it does. More reason for me to wait till after christmas for this toy.
After Christmas...?
Posted by william-james88 on June 25th, 2017 @ 1:35pm CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:whaa....? the Takara version?
No, the Hasbro version. He wrote PH for philipines, so that can only mean Hasbro version since the takara version only sells in Japan.Kurona wrote:We could also get a running change. Stuff like this happens all the time, right?
Yes it does. More reason for me to wait till after christmas for this toy.
After Christmas...?
Yup, any money I get at christmas will be going towards what I hope is an on sale and fixed second run Trypticon
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 25th, 2017 @ 1:52pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Destron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:whaa....? the Takara version?
No, the Hasbro version. He wrote PH for philipines, so that can only mean Hasbro version since the takara version only sells in Japan.Kurona wrote:We could also get a running change. Stuff like this happens all the time, right?
Yes it does. More reason for me to wait till after christmas for this toy.
After Christmas...?
Yup, any money I get at christmas will be going towards what I hope is an on sale and fixed second run Trypticon
Riiiiight-got it.
Posted by Cobotron on June 25th, 2017 @ 2:06pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 25th, 2017 @ 2:43pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:I'll wait for someone else to do a full explanation of the problem before I go into panic mode.
Qwan did a page back.
The long and the short of it is that the springs in the ratchet joints are really strong, to the point they could lock up. If excessive force is applied to get it to move again when that happens, the internal structure of joint gets wrecked to heavens due to the springs not budging. By the by, they're BIG, like the width of an earthworm.
Posted by DeathReviews on June 25th, 2017 @ 2:59pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:04pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:11pm CDT
Posted by Chriphord on June 25th, 2017 @ 4:46pm CDT
Posted by Qwan on June 25th, 2017 @ 5:57pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Can anyone confirm my suspicion that users are supposed to pull the hip joints outward slightly when rotating, so the plastic ratchets have clearance of each other? And the spring pulls the hips back in when released?
I can confirm that this is not the case. The springs aren't attached to anything so they wouldn't be able to pull anything together, and the rotation for the hips (basically a fully-enclosed giant mushroom peg with a ratchet inside) doesn't allow any leeway whatsoever for pulling the hips outward. The spring is definitely designed to be super-compressed and push outward, rather than extend and pull inward.
So sadly, that design isn't the case here - although I agree it would probably work quite well for a large figure like this!
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:By the by, they're BIG, like the width of an earthworm.
Looking back that was a bit of an exaggeration on my part; that was back when I was just 'reviewing' the figure for fun (the issue hadn't made itself known yet) and the description was more of a comedy decision than an accuracy one. They are seriously big though, way more so than I think any other spring I've seen, certainly on a toy. And really sturdy too; I put one under the corner of my bed for an hour or so to try and compress it down (which I'd prefer over cutting them, if possible) and it made literally no difference whatsoever.
I finally got around to taking a photo of them, actually. Here they are, with Krok for size reference (he was the only decent comparison I had on me) - Titan Masters can fit inside them. Yeah that's big.
Posted by DeathReviews on June 25th, 2017 @ 6:16pm CDT
Qwan wrote:I can confirm that this is not the case. The springs aren't attached to anything so they wouldn't be able to pull anything together, and the rotation for the hips (basically a fully-enclosed giant mushroom peg with a ratchet inside) doesn't allow any leeway whatsoever for pulling the hips outward. The spring is definitely designed to be super-compressed and push outward, rather than extend and pull inward.
So sadly, that design isn't the case here - although I agree it would probably work quite well for a large figure like this!
Alas. Well, I will likely sharpen the sickle and do some surgery on my Trypticon in that case. I certainly don't want to wind up with a mess of twisted plastic inside the legs.
Posted by ScottyP on June 26th, 2017 @ 12:16pm CDT
Didn't they learn anything from Unique Toys Siegfried?