Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters
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Top 5 Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters
We don't see it as much these days, but in the 80s and 90s, the characters you saw on a Transformers show were just a subset of all the toys available. Business-wise, the shows served to advertise the toyline that you would then discover and the toys would have their own appeal based on how they looked. Growing up with Beast Wars, I remember pouring over the back of the cards and boxes of the few I got to see all the other wonderful toys of characters I did not know. And that's what we are looking back on today, the toys from the Beast era of characters that never appeared on the North American CG Beast Wars (Beasties) show.
5. B'Boom (Apache)
Apes are a perfect alt mode if you want a sleek robot mode with little kibble since both the primates and robots are humanoid. But the trick is that you still need to have enough variation between modes for it being worthwhile to play with it and Transform (something the designer of Optimus Minor did not know). B'Boom masters that concept. The Mandrill alt mode is very recognizable and he turns into one cool looking bad ass bot. He stands tall in robot mode, and reminds me of old G1 Joes especially with the heavy artillery theme he has going on and the buzz cut they give him. And that works so well with his puntastic name.
4. Transformers Beast Wars Bonecrusher (Bighorn)
Now this is a robot in disguise. The idea of the first year toys was to have toys that were disguised as real animals and this list highlights some of the best ones, like Bonecrusher. I just love how perfect he looks in alt mode, he looks just like that well known iconic american image of a buffalo that was even on the nickel at some point. He was very unique in his transformation and design where his missile firing weapon was his head, which could pop out of the buffalo body when you pulled it's tail.
3. Power Pinch
What is amazing with insects is that their anatomy doesn't give the toy designer such an easy way out, compared to mammals who have four limbs. The limbs must come from somewhere else. Limbs not serving double duty means there is no robot design or kibble found anywhere in Power Pinch's earwig mode. The great weapon (a giant pair of shears) integrates perfectly into the tail. The transformation is as complex as we will ever get for a basic class transformer thanks to a nice amount of parts count. The robot mode offers lots of new robot detail. Basically, the bottom half of his body and the head are pieces not seen in insect mode and yet there is minimal alt mode kibble to hide due to how the toy is engineered. It's a little marvel really and due to it being a toy from this era you have all the ball jointed articulation you would need along with a generous amount of painted details we could only dream of getting today.
2. Transformers Beast Wars Metals Scavenger (Transmetal Inferno)
As stated above, it's always impressive when a beast former doesn't reuse animal limbs for his robot limbs. Also, Scavenger wasn't a shell former, he had many new details for the robot mode and yet remained sleek. Not only is he sleek, he is downright unsettling in his ultimate maniac design. This guy reeks of villainy and not the fun kind, the scary kind. The kind you can have nightmares about. So not only is it a great Transformers toy objectively, when you take a look at the design it just takes it over the top. There are very little toys out there with as much personality as this one. I also love those drill hands that turn when you activate them through his shoulder.
1. Transformers Beast Wars Cybershark
An extremely efficient transformer whose body length shell serves as a great disguise to a very poseable robot. The shark mode has beautiful deco which looks as good as any plastic shark toy found in toy stores in the 90s. What is amazing is that, despite it being a shellformer, it has great alt mode integration that is very reminiscent of traditional transformers with having the head of the alt mode as the chest. A main aspect of the original toys that make up what we call G1 was the disguise component and how they could infiltrate other toylines which didn’t transform. With its phenomenal alt mode, this shark-former is a perfect example of this legacy. The deco on this toy is as masterful as that headsculpt and he comes armed to the teeth with extra shark themed projectiles (that can be stored within his back) and his pincertail. Of course, that is aside from his hammerhead shark head which he can shoot from his body!
Honourable Mentions: ALL the Transmetal II deluxe toys are great. They have super cool designs that scream the extreme of the 90s but done right. While they all look different, it is still hard to set them apart when considering which is better. Jawbreaker is cool but is he better than Iguanus? Is Prowl better than Ramulus? They are all as good (and as likely to chip) so I am mentioning them here since they stand out most as a group of awesome toys.
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Top 5 Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters
We don't see it as much these days, but in the 80s and 90s, the characters you saw on a Transformers show were just a subset of all the toys available. Business-wise, the shows served to advertise the toyline that you would then discover and the toys would have their own appeal based on how they looked. Growing up with Beast Wars, I remember pouring over the back of the cards and boxes of the few I got to see all the other wonderful toys of characters I did not know. And that's what we are looking back on today, the toys from the Beast era of characters that never appeared on the North American CG Beast Wars (Beasties) show.
5. B'Boom (Apache)
Apes are a perfect alt mode if you want a sleek robot mode with little kibble since both the primates and robots are humanoid. But the trick is that you still need to have enough variation between modes for it being worthwhile to play with it and Transform (something the designer of Optimus Minor did not know). B'Boom masters that concept. The Mandrill alt mode is very recognizable and he turns into one cool looking bad ass bot. He stands tall in robot mode, and reminds me of old G1 Joes especially with the heavy artillery theme he has going on and the buzz cut they give him. And that works so well with his puntastic name.
4. Transformers Beast Wars Bonecrusher (Bighorn)
Now this is a robot in disguise. The idea of the first year toys was to have toys that were disguised as real animals and this list highlights some of the best ones, like Bonecrusher. I just love how perfect he looks in alt mode, he looks just like that well known iconic american image of a buffalo that was even on the nickel at some point. He was very unique in his transformation and design where his missile firing weapon was his head, which could pop out of the buffalo body when you pulled it's tail.
3. Power Pinch
What is amazing with insects is that their anatomy doesn't give the toy designer such an easy way out, compared to mammals who have four limbs. The limbs must come from somewhere else. Limbs not serving double duty means there is no robot design or kibble found anywhere in Power Pinch's earwig mode. The great weapon (a giant pair of shears) integrates perfectly into the tail. The transformation is as complex as we will ever get for a basic class transformer thanks to a nice amount of parts count. The robot mode offers lots of new robot detail. Basically, the bottom half of his body and the head are pieces not seen in insect mode and yet there is minimal alt mode kibble to hide due to how the toy is engineered. It's a little marvel really and due to it being a toy from this era you have all the ball jointed articulation you would need along with a generous amount of painted details we could only dream of getting today.
2. Transformers Beast Wars Metals Scavenger (Transmetal Inferno)
As stated above, it's always impressive when a beast former doesn't reuse animal limbs for his robot limbs. Also, Scavenger wasn't a shell former, he had many new details for the robot mode and yet remained sleek. Not only is he sleek, he is downright unsettling in his ultimate maniac design. This guy reeks of villainy and not the fun kind, the scary kind. The kind you can have nightmares about. So not only is it a great Transformers toy objectively, when you take a look at the design it just takes it over the top. There are very little toys out there with as much personality as this one. I also love those drill hands that turn when you activate them through his shoulder.
1. Transformers Beast Wars Cybershark
An extremely efficient transformer whose body length shell serves as a great disguise to a very poseable robot. The shark mode has beautiful deco which looks as good as any plastic shark toy found in toy stores in the 90s. What is amazing is that, despite it being a shellformer, it has great alt mode integration that is very reminiscent of traditional transformers with having the head of the alt mode as the chest. A main aspect of the original toys that make up what we call G1 was the disguise component and how they could infiltrate other toylines which didn’t transform. With its phenomenal alt mode, this shark-former is a perfect example of this legacy. The deco on this toy is as masterful as that headsculpt and he comes armed to the teeth with extra shark themed projectiles (that can be stored within his back) and his pincertail. Of course, that is aside from his hammerhead shark head which he can shoot from his body!
Honourable Mentions: ALL the Transmetal II deluxe toys are great. They have super cool designs that scream the extreme of the 90s but done right. While they all look different, it is still hard to set them apart when considering which is better. Jawbreaker is cool but is he better than Iguanus? Is Prowl better than Ramulus? They are all as good (and as likely to chip) so I am mentioning them here since they stand out most as a group of awesome toys.
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Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043595)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 11:35am CDT
I was wondering where the list was going with the inclusion of Bonecrusher, but 3 to 1 ensured the list was a strong one. Number one in particular. Cybershark is so underrated, especially in light of the bastardised derivative Gelshark/Sky-Byte pushed into prominence, in his stead.
Other than pushing Jetstorm into the place of Bonecrusher (similar head gimmick, but Jetstorm's doesn't really hinder the poseability of his figure) there isn't really much I would change in this list. I'd probably have extended it to Top 10 and included the Wolfang mold, TM Waspinator, Transquito and a couple others. But great job, as usual.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 11:35am CDT
I was wondering where the list was going with the inclusion of Bonecrusher, but 3 to 1 ensured the list was a strong one. Number one in particular. Cybershark is so underrated, especially in light of the bastardised derivative Gelshark/Sky-Byte pushed into prominence, in his stead.
Other than pushing Jetstorm into the place of Bonecrusher (similar head gimmick, but Jetstorm's doesn't really hinder the poseability of his figure) there isn't really much I would change in this list. I'd probably have extended it to Top 10 and included the Wolfang mold, TM Waspinator, Transquito and a couple others. But great job, as usual.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043598)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 2nd, 2019 @ 12:22pm CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 2nd, 2019 @ 12:22pm CDT
I really loved Insecticon and Spittor.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043600)
Posted by durroth on November 2nd, 2019 @ 12:57pm CDT
Posted by durroth on November 2nd, 2019 @ 12:57pm CDT
you forgot to mention the part where b'boom has an entire third mode with its own dedicated head and space for a basic figure to ride.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043602)
Posted by o.supreme on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:15pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:15pm CDT
Nice list, but I consider BWII and Neo as Canon, so really only #2 and #1 are valid. #3 was also Scissor Boy in BW II. Pretty much all my favorites showed up in one way or another. As much as I like Tigatron, I really wish Polar Claw could have been that character, but oh well.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043603)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:17pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:17pm CDT
Cybershark being a shellformer is a bit unfair, as his kibble form and placement remind me more of the likes of G1 Prowl as it form the robot chest and 'wings' on its back. Much like Cheetor, he's a good example of the classic 'hood chest car' transformation scheme applied to an animal.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043604)
Posted by Windsweeper on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:20pm CDT
Posted by Windsweeper on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:20pm CDT
My collection is so focussed on G1 and it's offshoots I forget I have Beast Warriors.
I know Terrorsaur was in the show but I love his repaints. They're the Beast Era Seekers to me and the basic toy is my favourite BW mold.
I'm fond of the Basic class such as Iguanus, Insecticon and Slapper. I also like Scourge, one of the first non G1 Transformers I bought.
The Universe repaints Reptilion and Frostbite look great too.
I know Terrorsaur was in the show but I love his repaints. They're the Beast Era Seekers to me and the basic toy is my favourite BW mold.
I'm fond of the Basic class such as Iguanus, Insecticon and Slapper. I also like Scourge, one of the first non G1 Transformers I bought.
The Universe repaints Reptilion and Frostbite look great too.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043605)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:26pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:26pm CDT
Btw I just realized I own the nearly complete list, safe for Scavenger.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043608)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:45pm CDT
Wolfang or Polar Claw were considered as Tigatron, initially. I think either of those would have been preferable. By the same token, anyone would have been better than Airazor...
As quaint as the Takara BW shows were, they don't really apply to this list. Bonecrusher, B'Boom and Powerpinch were never in any show. The derivatives used in Second/Neo were not based on these characters, via their names or bios.
When you put all of the TM Terrorsaur repaints together, they do look really impressive as a set of "Seekers". It is a shame all of the Fliers, aside from Waspinator, were axed from the show by 'Other Visits'. I would really have loved to see that design in motion.
Indeed. Shellformer has some negative connotation that I don't think Cybershark deserves. To me, Shellformer implies excess kibble in either mode. Which the Shark-Bot doesn't really have. No overt backpack that hinders his poseability or anything to impede his limbs at all, really.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:45pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Nice list, but I consider BWII and Neo as Canon, so really only #2 and #1 are valid. #3 was also Scissor Boy in BW II. Pretty much all my favorites showed up in one way or another. As much as I like Tigatron, I really wish Polar Claw could have been that character, but oh well.
Wolfang or Polar Claw were considered as Tigatron, initially. I think either of those would have been preferable. By the same token, anyone would have been better than Airazor...
As quaint as the Takara BW shows were, they don't really apply to this list. Bonecrusher, B'Boom and Powerpinch were never in any show. The derivatives used in Second/Neo were not based on these characters, via their names or bios.
Windsweeper wrote:My collection is so focused on G1 and it's offshoots I forget I have Beast Warriors.
I know Terrorsaur was in the show but I love his repaints. They're the Beast Era Seekers to me and the basic toy is my favourite BW mold.
I'm fond of the Basic class such as Iguanus, Insecticon and Slapper. I also like Scourge, one of the first non G1 Transformers I bought.
The Universe repaints Reptilion and Frostbite look great too.
When you put all of the TM Terrorsaur repaints together, they do look really impressive as a set of "Seekers". It is a shame all of the Fliers, aside from Waspinator, were axed from the show by 'Other Visits'. I would really have loved to see that design in motion.
Skritz wrote:Cybershark being a shellformer is a bit unfair, as his kibble form and placement remind me more of the likes of G1 Prowl as it form the robot chest and 'wings' on its back. Much like Cheetor, he's a good example of the classic 'hood chest car' transformation scheme applied to an animal.
Indeed. Shellformer has some negative connotation that I don't think Cybershark deserves. To me, Shellformer implies excess kibble in either mode. Which the Shark-Bot doesn't really have. No overt backpack that hinders his poseability or anything to impede his limbs at all, really.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043610)
Posted by Coptur on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:59pm CDT
Posted by Coptur on November 2nd, 2019 @ 1:59pm CDT
Yeah I really missed Terrorsaur and Scorponok after they were written out.
...and Tigatron and Airazor although they returned as Tigahawk
...and Tigatron and Airazor although they returned as Tigahawk
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043612)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:05pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:05pm CDT
Scorponok I will always look on as the most disappointing character in Beast Wars. Terrorsaur was the real loss of the two as he at least had potential for character growth and wasn't just written as a one note jobber.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043613)
Posted by Coptur on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:43pm CDT
Yeah his treacherous ways were replaced with more blackarachania and tarantulas such a shame.
I get what you're saying with scorponok but I loved his loyalty to the cause and to Megatron just never had a chance to truly shine.
Posted by Coptur on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:43pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Scorponok I will always look on as the most disappointing character in Beast Wars. Terrorsaur was the real loss of the two as he at least had potential for character growth and wasn't just written as a one note jobber.
Yeah his treacherous ways were replaced with more blackarachania and tarantulas such a shame.
I get what you're saying with scorponok but I loved his loyalty to the cause and to Megatron just never had a chance to truly shine.
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:49pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:49pm CDT
That's just it. As soon as Inferno was introduced, Scorponok was completely redundant. That said, much like the concept art of Transmetal Dinobot, I would really have been curious to see what design they would have given TM Scorponok. TM Tigatron I'd envisioned as a larger recolour of TM Cheetor (inkeeping as a Cat-Bot mold variant). Just as I saw TM Blackarachnia as a redeco of Tarantulas with a different head and torso sculpt. Exactly the same Third Mode's for both sets of characters, just with minor colour variations.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:54pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 2nd, 2019 @ 2:54pm CDT
Great list, and no real arguments from me. I have all but #3 on that list in some capacity, though i would argue I like Apache more than Bighorn.
Inferno is really good though, and I can't argue that Cybershark mold is really cool (I have Sharpedge in that mold and it's awesome too)
Inferno is really good though, and I can't argue that Cybershark mold is really cool (I have Sharpedge in that mold and it's awesome too)
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043622)
Posted by TulioDude on November 2nd, 2019 @ 3:55pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on November 2nd, 2019 @ 3:55pm CDT
One of the most fun parts is coming up with a story for them.
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CDT
To look at the first line of Beast Wars (pre-Transmetal) and read through the bios, it is quite impressive to see the overarching narrative they tell. A really grim and brutal guerrilla warfare scenario. Fought across the jungles, swamps, deserts and oceans of the world. Far darker than any Beast Wars story ever told.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 2nd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CDT
TulioDude wrote:One of the most fun parts is coming up with a story for them.
To look at the first line of Beast Wars (pre-Transmetal) and read through the bios, it is quite impressive to see the overarching narrative they tell. A really grim and brutal guerrilla warfare scenario. Fought across the jungles, swamps, deserts and oceans of the world. Far darker than any Beast Wars story ever told.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043634)
Posted by Moonlit Stones on November 2nd, 2019 @ 7:49pm CDT
Posted by Moonlit Stones on November 2nd, 2019 @ 7:49pm CDT
I wish I could have gotten all of these robots, but I was a little kid when Beast Wars came out. 
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043639)
Posted by Emerje on November 2nd, 2019 @ 9:19pm CDT
That wasn't the point of the list.
I'm fine with the top 3, but I was never a huge fan of B'boom (figure just never did much for me) or Bonecrusher (fine in concept, but really should have been a Mega, as should Rhinox have).
My 5 would have to be Sky Shadow. I love how much cool stuff they were able to squeeze into the figure from the double tail missiles to the water squirting mouth. They also did some neat paint apps on his insect legs and tail and I like how they got creative with the wings instead of just sticking them on his back.
Number 4 goes to Torca. He has such a great look in both modes, those massive tusks, and yet another water squirter. Yeah, he could have stood being bigger, too, but unlike Bonecrusher and Rhinox he has full articulation in beast mode to make up for it. Shame about the GPS.
Plus I love how much Torca's face looks like a Gaiking homage.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 2nd, 2019 @ 9:19pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Nice list, but I consider BWII and Neo as Canon, so really only #2 and #1 are valid. #3 was also Scissor Boy in BW II. Pretty much all my favorites showed up in one way or another.
That wasn't the point of the list.
william-james88 wrote:And that's what we are looking back on today, the toys from the Beast era of characters that never appeared on the North American CG Beast Wars (Beasties) show.
I'm fine with the top 3, but I was never a huge fan of B'boom (figure just never did much for me) or Bonecrusher (fine in concept, but really should have been a Mega, as should Rhinox have).
My 5 would have to be Sky Shadow. I love how much cool stuff they were able to squeeze into the figure from the double tail missiles to the water squirting mouth. They also did some neat paint apps on his insect legs and tail and I like how they got creative with the wings instead of just sticking them on his back.
Number 4 goes to Torca. He has such a great look in both modes, those massive tusks, and yet another water squirter. Yeah, he could have stood being bigger, too, but unlike Bonecrusher and Rhinox he has full articulation in beast mode to make up for it. Shame about the GPS.
Plus I love how much Torca's face looks like a Gaiking homage.
Emerje
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 1:27am CST
That would be Jetstorm (also named in the link), a personal favourite I still own to this day. This is Sky Shadow...
Also a very cool design that would have made an infinitely superior addition to the show than ...Quickstrike
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 1:27am CST
Emerje wrote:My 5 would have to be Sky Shadow. I love how much cool stuff they were able to squeeze into the figure from the double tail missiles to the water squirting mouth. They also did some neat paint apps on his insect legs and tail and I like how they got creative with the wings instead of just sticking them on his back.
That would be Jetstorm (also named in the link), a personal favourite I still own to this day. This is Sky Shadow...Also a very cool design that would have made an infinitely superior addition to the show than ...Quickstrike
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043652)
Posted by Emerje on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:03am CST
Heh, I accidentally wrote Sky Shadow and then realized I mixed the names up when I looked for a pic and forgot to change it to Jetstorm. I obviously had it figured out, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to find the pic.
Sky Shadow is a great figure, I used to like to snap off his claw hand to use a drone since it has eyes.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:03am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote::???: That would be Jetstorm (also named in the link), a personal favourite I still own to this day. This is Sky Shadow...
Heh, I accidentally wrote Sky Shadow and then realized I mixed the names up when I looked for a pic and forgot to change it to Jetstorm. I obviously had it figured out, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to find the pic.
Sky Shadow is a great figure, I used to like to snap off his claw hand to use a drone since it has eyes. Emerje
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043653)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:07am CST
Of course. If anything, it just gave me an excuse to throw a spotlight on one of the other underrated Fuzors. I also liked the design link between him and Jetstorm via the wing placement in Bot Mode. It was a nice stylistic choice that I really appreciated.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:07am CST
Emerje wrote:Heh, I accidentally wrote Sky Shadow and then realized I mixed the names up when I looked for a pic and forgot to change it to Jetstorm. I obviously had it figured out, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to find the pic.
Emerje
Of course. If anything, it just gave me an excuse to throw a spotlight on one of the other underrated Fuzors. I also liked the design link between him and Jetstorm via the wing placement in Bot Mode. It was a nice stylistic choice that I really appreciated.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043657)
Posted by Coptur on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:56am CST
Yeah very true Inferno took his spot. Would've been great to have seen relationship between Scorponok and Inferno develop into something (good or bad).
I loved Beast Wars but I have a lot of hindsight with it now when I look back at it. They over did the starscream trope by having Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia and Tarantulas having the similar storylines.
Don't get me started on how pointless Ravage was
Posted by Coptur on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:56am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That's just it. As soon as Inferno was introduced, Scorponok was completely redundant. That said, much like the concept art of Transmetal Dinobot, I would really have been curious to see what design they would have given TM Scorponok. TM Tigatron I'd envisioned as a larger recolour of TM Cheetor (inkeeping as a Cat-Bot mold variant). Just as I saw TM Blackarachnia as a redeco of Tarantulas with a different head and torso sculpt. Exactly the same Third Mode's for both sets of characters, just with minor colour variations.
Yeah very true Inferno took his spot. Would've been great to have seen relationship between Scorponok and Inferno develop into something (good or bad).
I loved Beast Wars but I have a lot of hindsight with it now when I look back at it. They over did the starscream trope by having Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia and Tarantulas having the similar storylines.
Don't get me started on how pointless Ravage was
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 5:01am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 3rd, 2019 @ 5:01am CST
Ravage was a nice bit of Geewun fan service (as most of The Agenda was). Another tiny look behind the curtain of how Predacon society differed from the Maximal equivalent. Unfortunately, you never got that much more insight beyond that.
I think Tarantulas worked a bit better than Terrorsaur or Blackarachnia, as his goals were not quite as limited as theirs. Terrorsaur had potential to transcend the Starscream trope, as Megatron did enjoy the noted character growth of Season Two. Alas he never reached that point.
I think Tarantulas worked a bit better than Terrorsaur or Blackarachnia, as his goals were not quite as limited as theirs. Terrorsaur had potential to transcend the Starscream trope, as Megatron did enjoy the noted character growth of Season Two. Alas he never reached that point.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043668)
Posted by STngAR on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:00am CST
Posted by STngAR on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:00am CST
Beast Wars is my favorite toy line. There's Just something about it that appeals to me. It would probably take me a bit to come up with my top 5.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on November 3rd, 2019 @ 9:10am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 3rd, 2019 @ 9:10am CST
This is quite the exquisite list, I can't fault the choices though I do wish Sky Shadow had at least made the honourable mentions as I had him be a high ranking General in my head cannon.
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Posted by Aimless Misfire on November 3rd, 2019 @ 10:03am CST
Posted by Aimless Misfire on November 3rd, 2019 @ 10:03am CST
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I was all ready to cuss you out for not putting Cybershark in the #1 spot and OMG!!!!
Excellent job! Bravo!
Cybershark is my #1 favorite Maximal & Inferno is my favorite Predacon.
Excellent job! Bravo!
Cybershark is my #1 favorite Maximal & Inferno is my favorite Predacon.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043682)
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 3rd, 2019 @ 10:48am CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 3rd, 2019 @ 10:48am CST
Toss out Powerpinch and Cybershark then put in Transmetals Rhinox and Waspinator at the 1 and 2 spots.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043684)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on November 3rd, 2019 @ 12:22pm CST
Posted by Bumblevivisector on November 3rd, 2019 @ 12:22pm CST
My #1 would be a tie between both versions of Spittor. An amazing case of 2 toys just plain having personality, and two different personalities at that, despite clearly being the same character, one of the few non-show characters to get two different toys in the line (were Cybershark and Iguanus the only others?)
His first toy was weaponless, his tongue-shooting ability being awesome but not a convincing attack. But add in his 6-legged mutant frog form, the tongue thing making him TF Mechaneck in robot mode, and his orangutan-like bot proportions combining with awesome articulation, and you've got a Pred who just gets more awesome the more you play with him!
The simple elegance of the original contrasts totally with his Transmetal 2 toy being more complex and weapon-packed than any of the other TM2 basics, but it totally worked as showing he'd matured into a more powerful and reliable warrior over time. Some reviewer back in the day posited that his poison-secreting ability mentioned in the first bio meant his function was to get stabbed by all the Preds with melee weapons to get poison on their blades before each battle, but TM2 Spittor looked like a scout who was badass enough to survive on his own for months in the wilderness. I'm basing that partly on his shiny back/shoulder claw looking like both a shooting weapon and long range communication device. And if that wasn't enough evidence of his espionage prowess, although his articulation was downgraded from crazy to satisfactory, he could still hold his odd tongue weapon in just the right position before his face to say:
"Toilet-Brush of Omens! Give me sight-beyond-sight"
Okay, maybe that's just my headcanon born of Toonami both debuting the last 5 eps of season 2 and reigniting my love of Thundercats...but Beast Wars was sort of a cross between G1 TF and Thundercats. I guarantee the next time you handle Spittor's Transmetal 2 toy, you'll find yourself saying it too.
Oh, and the rest of my list would go:
#2: Manterror: As I mentioned long ago, he can do EXTREME yoga, and shoot saw blades?!? What more could you ask for?
#3: Jetstorm: I always loved the Triggercons, and he does them one better by having twin launchers that actually fire in addition to being deployable in both modes.
...and yeah, Cybershark and Powerpinch at #4 and #5.
I should probably give Sky Shadow, Torca, and Scourge a chance someday, but Sky Shadow just looked ugly, Torca had a nonsensical color choice (gold being my least favorite color to boot) and the organic-grille-mouth struck me as off-putting, and Scourge epitomized what I dislike about asymmetry, so I never got them back in the day.
But to end on a less negative note, I'll nominate Noctorro for an honorable mention. His robot mode just screams with doofy confidence that his is indeed a vampire, a bullfighter, and a luchador; precisely the personality that a Fuzor toy should exude!
His first toy was weaponless, his tongue-shooting ability being awesome but not a convincing attack. But add in his 6-legged mutant frog form, the tongue thing making him TF Mechaneck in robot mode, and his orangutan-like bot proportions combining with awesome articulation, and you've got a Pred who just gets more awesome the more you play with him!
The simple elegance of the original contrasts totally with his Transmetal 2 toy being more complex and weapon-packed than any of the other TM2 basics, but it totally worked as showing he'd matured into a more powerful and reliable warrior over time. Some reviewer back in the day posited that his poison-secreting ability mentioned in the first bio meant his function was to get stabbed by all the Preds with melee weapons to get poison on their blades before each battle, but TM2 Spittor looked like a scout who was badass enough to survive on his own for months in the wilderness. I'm basing that partly on his shiny back/shoulder claw looking like both a shooting weapon and long range communication device. And if that wasn't enough evidence of his espionage prowess, although his articulation was downgraded from crazy to satisfactory, he could still hold his odd tongue weapon in just the right position before his face to say:
"Toilet-Brush of Omens! Give me sight-beyond-sight"
Okay, maybe that's just my headcanon born of Toonami both debuting the last 5 eps of season 2 and reigniting my love of Thundercats...but Beast Wars was sort of a cross between G1 TF and Thundercats. I guarantee the next time you handle Spittor's Transmetal 2 toy, you'll find yourself saying it too.
Oh, and the rest of my list would go:
#2: Manterror: As I mentioned long ago, he can do EXTREME yoga, and shoot saw blades?!? What more could you ask for?
#3: Jetstorm: I always loved the Triggercons, and he does them one better by having twin launchers that actually fire in addition to being deployable in both modes.
...and yeah, Cybershark and Powerpinch at #4 and #5.
I should probably give Sky Shadow, Torca, and Scourge a chance someday, but Sky Shadow just looked ugly, Torca had a nonsensical color choice (gold being my least favorite color to boot) and the organic-grille-mouth struck me as off-putting, and Scourge epitomized what I dislike about asymmetry, so I never got them back in the day.
But to end on a less negative note, I'll nominate Noctorro for an honorable mention. His robot mode just screams with doofy confidence that his is indeed a vampire, a bullfighter, and a luchador; precisely the personality that a Fuzor toy should exude!
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043693)
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 2:37pm CST
Thanks man, this is a really subjective list so don't worry about a toy you love not making it. Why don't you give us your top 5, would sky shadow be your number 1?
I just never liked those all that much myself. And as a kid, I didn't care about the third mode they gave many of these toys, I still feel that way now. It also wasn't too smart to have Rhinox' horn be an accessory, losing it meant the beast mode was ruined.
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 2:37pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:This is quite the exquisite list, I can't fault the choices though I do wish Sky Shadow had at least made the honourable mentions as I had him be a high ranking General in my head cannon.
Thanks man, this is a really subjective list so don't worry about a toy you love not making it. Why don't you give us your top 5, would sky shadow be your number 1?
Ironhidensh wrote:Toss out Powerpinch and Cybershark then put in Transmetals Rhinox and Waspinator at the 1 and 2 spots.
I just never liked those all that much myself. And as a kid, I didn't care about the third mode they gave many of these toys, I still feel that way now. It also wasn't too smart to have Rhinox' horn be an accessory, losing it meant the beast mode was ruined.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043697)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 3rd, 2019 @ 3:00pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 3rd, 2019 @ 3:00pm CST
I can vouch for the idea to have TM Rhinox horn be an accessory, as when I worked in a second hand toyshop, all the rhinox's we got in were missing the horns. He was a fun toy but I'd mark him down for that. My top 5? Hmm it would be controversial as I'd slap both Combiners on there. It would actually be a hard list mind as there was so many good toys in the beast wars lines
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043702)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CST
Oh my, just cast a glance at my Beast shelves, and there are a few very noticeable omissions:
1) Razorbeast. That is a frikkin fun basic! The mold colors, the transformation, the modes themselves, they are really good. He is really good.
2) Jawbreaker. Poor guy was the only Beast besides some happy meal toys to not be in the IDW Beast Wars comics. Dude is sick looking! That beast mode is the coolest looking beast mode we have gotten in the TM2s.
3) Noctorro. just another fun figure. simple Fuzor, but he's fun, and demonic looking. Plus the beast mode has a pretty neat flapping gimmick. He's pretty fun to me
1) Razorbeast. That is a frikkin fun basic! The mold colors, the transformation, the modes themselves, they are really good. He is really good.
2) Jawbreaker. Poor guy was the only Beast besides some happy meal toys to not be in the IDW Beast Wars comics. Dude is sick looking! That beast mode is the coolest looking beast mode we have gotten in the TM2s.
3) Noctorro. just another fun figure. simple Fuzor, but he's fun, and demonic looking. Plus the beast mode has a pretty neat flapping gimmick. He's pretty fun to me
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043707)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:50pm CST
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 4:50pm CST
The only two of these I own are B'Boom and Bonecrusher, but I love them both. Quite an interesting idea for a list. Maybe Beast Machines could be next?
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043717)
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:21pm CST
Alright then, just for you.
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:21pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The only two of these I own are B'Boom and Bonecrusher, but I love them both. Quite an interesting idea for a list. Maybe Beast Machines could be next?
Alright then, just for you.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043718)
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:22pm CST
So what would your top 5 look like?
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:22pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Oh my, just cast a glance at my Beast shelves, and there are a few very noticeable omissions:
1) Razorbeast. That is a frikkin fun basic! The mold colors, the transformation, the modes themselves, they are really good. He is really good.
2) Jawbreaker. Poor guy was the only Beast besides some happy meal toys to not be in the IDW Beast Wars comics. Dude is sick looking! That beast mode is the coolest looking beast mode we have gotten in the TM2s.
3) Noctorro. just another fun figure. simple Fuzor, but he's fun, and demonic looking. Plus the beast mode has a pretty neat flapping gimmick. He's pretty fun to me
So what would your top 5 look like?
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043719)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:27pm CST
5) Apache/B'Boom
4) Jawbreaker
3) Scavenger/TM Inferno
2) Sharpedge/Cybershark
1) Razorbeast
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 3rd, 2019 @ 8:27pm CST
william-james88 wrote:So what would your top 5 look like?
5) Apache/B'Boom
4) Jawbreaker
3) Scavenger/TM Inferno
2) Sharpedge/Cybershark
1) Razorbeast
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043731)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2019 @ 2:59am CST
A list of the top 5 - 10 Beast Machines Vehicons does sound interesting...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2019 @ 2:59am CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The only two of these I own are B'Boom and Bonecrusher, but I love them both. Quite an interesting idea for a list. Maybe Beast Machines could be next?
A list of the top 5 - 10 Beast Machines Vehicons does sound interesting...
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043746)
Posted by haldand on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:18am CST
Posted by haldand on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:18am CST
One of the things I loved about the Beast Wars line is that 90% of it was made up of non-show characters. Sure, you always had your Cheetor and your Optimus Primal, but you had an entire cast of other characters to choose from for your collection. The level of creativity on display was off the charts.
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Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:58am CST
Yeah true, I liked that they included Ravage just not how they used him and how easily he got taken out when in the same episode other Predacons were taken out much worse or similar and survived. Although i do recognise that the Tarantulas drones deliberately knocked his head into the ocean stopping him from being put back together etc.
By the Agenda episodes Tarantulas was given a solid 'mission' of his own although they could've explained more about who and what the Tripredacus council were (I do not like the Unicron rubbish that came after, another example of fans hearing words and not listening to context).
How Terrorsaur would've worked in late season 2 and 3 I'm not sure as i've not thought about it for some time. Maybe Terrorsaur and Scorponok could've become a loyal duo to the decepticons and ravage and been bit/guest characters along with Ravage.
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:58am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ravage was a nice bit of Geewun fan service (as most of The Agenda was). Another tiny look behind the curtain of how Predacon society differed from the Maximal equivalent. Unfortunately, you never got that much more insight beyond that.
I think Tarantulas worked a bit better than Terrorsaur or Blackarachnia, as his goals were not quite as limited as theirs. Terrorsaur had potential to transcend the Starscream trope, as Megatron did enjoy the noted character growth of Season Two. Alas he never reached that point.
Yeah true, I liked that they included Ravage just not how they used him and how easily he got taken out when in the same episode other Predacons were taken out much worse or similar and survived. Although i do recognise that the Tarantulas drones deliberately knocked his head into the ocean stopping him from being put back together etc.
By the Agenda episodes Tarantulas was given a solid 'mission' of his own although they could've explained more about who and what the Tripredacus council were (I do not like the Unicron rubbish that came after, another example of fans hearing words and not listening to context).
How Terrorsaur would've worked in late season 2 and 3 I'm not sure as i've not thought about it for some time. Maybe Terrorsaur and Scorponok could've become a loyal duo to the decepticons and ravage and been bit/guest characters along with Ravage.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043804)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:13am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:13am CST
To be fair, I think the writers would have been more then happy to go along with the fan interpretation, just as much as they never countered the Vox is the swarm theory. There's also the very real possibility that it would have been something much, much stupider like Primacon creating the council and tarantulus. It's best left as is.
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:15am CST
Well, the deaths in The Agenda were in part down to Mainframe not knowing if they would get a Season 3. Hence Rampage and Inferno being virtually incinerated and being perfectly fine in the next episode.
Much in the same way Tarantulas and Tigerhawk were killed off so quickly in Season 3.
The 'Unicron Spawn' line will always be contentious. A slur, no doubt. But some always read more into things than others. Like how some fans accredit Beast Wars with having links to the G1/G2 comics, purely based on what those behind the scenes have said after the fact. To me, the show has no links to the comics, because it was never featured or directly referenced in a single episode. Which is the only source that counts.
As for Terrorsaur, there was actually an episode of Animated that gave me an idea on where he might have gone. Wherein Starscream created his own clone/Seeker brigade. That could have worked for him. Also elaborating more on the Season one idea of Cybertronian intellect being overtaken by the more bestial nature of the organics integrated in them. As for Scorponok, leave him where he sank...
As an aside, I do hold out the faintest hope that one day we might get a Masterpiece Beast Wars Ravage from The Agenda. One that transforms from a vague TM Cheetor body mold into a Cassette.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:15am CST
Coptur wrote:Yeah true, I liked that they included Ravage just not how they used him and how easily he got taken out when in the same episode other Predacons were taken out much worse or similar and survived. Although i do recognise that the Tarantulas drones deliberately knocked his head into the ocean stopping him from being put back together etc.
By the Agenda episodes Tarantulas was given a solid 'mission' of his own although they could've explained more about who and what the Tripredacus council were (I do not like the Unicron rubbish that came after, another example of fans hearing words and not listening to context).
How Terrorsaur would've worked in late season 2 and 3 I'm not sure as i've not thought about it for some time. Maybe Terrorsaur and Scorponok could've become a loyal duo to the decepticons and ravage and been bit/guest characters along with Ravage.
Well, the deaths in The Agenda were in part down to Mainframe not knowing if they would get a Season 3. Hence Rampage and Inferno being virtually incinerated and being perfectly fine in the next episode.
Much in the same way Tarantulas and Tigerhawk were killed off so quickly in Season 3.
The 'Unicron Spawn' line will always be contentious. A slur, no doubt. But some always read more into things than others. Like how some fans accredit Beast Wars with having links to the G1/G2 comics, purely based on what those behind the scenes have said after the fact. To me, the show has no links to the comics, because it was never featured or directly referenced in a single episode. Which is the only source that counts.
As for Terrorsaur, there was actually an episode of Animated that gave me an idea on where he might have gone. Wherein Starscream created his own clone/Seeker brigade. That could have worked for him. Also elaborating more on the Season one idea of Cybertronian intellect being overtaken by the more bestial nature of the organics integrated in them. As for Scorponok, leave him where he sank...
As an aside, I do hold out the faintest hope that one day we might get a Masterpiece Beast Wars Ravage from The Agenda. One that transforms from a vague TM Cheetor body mold into a Cassette.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043809)
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:49am CST
We all love a cliffhanger ending...
LOL. Tarantulas made it 10/11 episodes Tigahawk was pointless for me nothing than more "hey kids look at this toy".
Honestly (for me) the Unicorn line for me was nothing more than a slur and taken way out of context, I honestly cannot express how much I hate the Tarantulas/Unicron thing. For me there should've/could've been a Quintesson to me they make more sense than Unicron. (I literally wrote a sequel to BM in 2001/2002 with a friend [probably awful] using the Qunitessons). Could agree more about the G2 thing another thing taken way out of context, keep the Vok away from the the Swarm.
Yeah I can see Terrorsaur doing that with a few of the other status pods Lazorbeak & Fractyl come to mind. Then I guess Tarantulas tried to do the the with spiders early season 1. The more I look at the Cybertron series Dark Scorponok I think that could've been BW Scorponoks badass/gone mad Transmetal 1 or 2 body.
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:49am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Well, the deaths in The Agenda were in part down to Mainframe not knowing if they would get a Season 3. Hence Rampage and Inferno being virtually incinerated and being perfectly fine in the next episode.
Much in the same way Tarantulas and Tigerhawk were killed off so quickly in Season 3.
The 'Unicron Spawn' line will always be contentious. A slur, no doubt. But some always read more into things than others. Like how some fans accredit Beast Wars with having links to the G1/G2 comics, purely based on what those behind the scenes have said after the fact. To me, the show has no links to the comics, because it was never featured or directly referenced in a single episode. Which is the only source that counts.
As for Terrorsaur, there was actually an episode of Animated that gave me an idea on where he might have gone. Wherein Starscream created his own clone/Seeker brigade. That could have worked for him. Also elaborating more on the Season one idea of Cybertronian intellect being overtaken by the more bestial nature of the organics integrated in them. As for Scorponok, leave him where he sank...
As an aside, I do hold out the faintest hope that one day we might get a Masterpiece Beast Wars Ravage from The Agenda. One that transforms from a vague TM Cheetor body mold into a Cassette.
We all love a cliffhanger ending...
LOL. Tarantulas made it 10/11 episodes Tigahawk was pointless for me nothing than more "hey kids look at this toy". Honestly (for me) the Unicorn line for me was nothing more than a slur and taken way out of context, I honestly cannot express how much I hate the Tarantulas/Unicron thing. For me there should've/could've been a Quintesson to me they make more sense than Unicron. (I literally wrote a sequel to BM in 2001/2002 with a friend [probably awful] using the Qunitessons). Could agree more about the G2 thing another thing taken way out of context, keep the Vok away from the the Swarm
.Yeah I can see Terrorsaur doing that with a few of the other status pods Lazorbeak & Fractyl come to mind. Then I guess Tarantulas tried to do the the with spiders early season 1. The more I look at the Cybertron series Dark Scorponok I think that could've been BW Scorponoks badass/gone mad Transmetal 1 or 2 body.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043810)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:59am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:59am CST
The Agenda's cliffhanger ending was the greatest case of squandered potential in Transformers history. Beast Wars only ever had vague ties to the Sunbow Cartoon and nothing else. Which is the point of a revival show.
Apparently they did have plans for Dinobot and Tigerhawk in BM. Considering how that turned out, it was better they didn't make it into the show...
To be honest, stick a tail on him, and Scorponok could easily have been Rampage in Season Two. Even the Bad Spark episode itself could have still applied, with some minor tweaks. Throw out the 'Protoform X' stuff, switch the setting to the Darksyde during a blackout caused by an Energon storm and a "Mad" Scorponok pulling himself out of the Magma.
Apparently they did have plans for Dinobot and Tigerhawk in BM. Considering how that turned out, it was better they didn't make it into the show...
To be honest, stick a tail on him, and Scorponok could easily have been Rampage in Season Two. Even the Bad Spark episode itself could have still applied, with some minor tweaks. Throw out the 'Protoform X' stuff, switch the setting to the Darksyde during a blackout caused by an Energon storm and a "Mad" Scorponok pulling himself out of the Magma.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043811)
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:10am CST
Yep 100% agree.
Again a big shame sounds like poor Airazor got a trash deal again.
I love that idea becoming the mindless brute/weapon. OR the episode where they created Dinobot2 again didn't really like that especially as Dinobot1 last episode was so good and emotional.
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:10am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Agenda's cliffhanger ending was the greatest case of squandered potential in Transformers history. Beast Wars only ever had vague ties to the Sunbow Cartoon and nothing else. Which is the point of a revival show.
Apparently they did have plans for Dinobot and Tigerhawk in BM. Considering how that turned out, it was better they didn't make it into the show...
To be honest, stick a tail on him, and Scorponok could easily have been Rampage in Season Two. Even the Bad Spark episode itself could have still applied, with some minor tweaks. Throw out the 'Protoform X' stuff, switch the setting to the Darksyde during a blackout caused by an Energon storm and a "Mad" Scorponok pulling himself out of the Magma.
Yep 100% agree.
Again a big shame sounds like poor Airazor got a trash deal again.
I love that idea becoming the mindless brute/weapon. OR the episode where they created Dinobot2 again didn't really like that especially as Dinobot1 last episode was so good and emotional.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043812)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:17am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:17am CST
I've said before, they should have made Dinobot II into Grimlock instead. It would have been a nice nod to the original Dinobot toy redeco. He also could have been voiced by Gregg Berger too, for an added hit of homage/nostalgia.
As for Airazor, I might have felt sorry for him/her, if there was any real personality to be invested in. It was strange how few pure Bird-Bots exist in the Beast Wars line though.
As for Airazor, I might have felt sorry for him/her, if there was any real personality to be invested in. It was strange how few pure Bird-Bots exist in the Beast Wars line though.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043813)
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:24am CST
Mmm Grimlock not my angle but I don't dislike it
Alas poor Airazor was the Maximal Scorponok by introducing Airazor in hindsight felt like that was a reason to get rid of Tigatron..i loved Tigatron such a different character.
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:24am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I've said before, they should have made Dinobot II into Grimlock instead. It would have been a nice nod to the original Dinobot toy redeco. He also could have been voiced by Gregg Berger too, for an added hit of homage/nostalgia.
As for Airazor, I might have felt sorry for him/her, if there was any real personality to be invested in. It was strange how few pure Bird-Bots exist in the Beast Wars line though.
Mmm Grimlock not my angle but I don't dislike it
Alas poor Airazor was the Maximal Scorponok
by introducing Airazor in hindsight felt like that was a reason to get rid of Tigatron..i loved Tigatron such a different character.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043814)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:28am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 5:28am CST
Tigatron had a lot of interesting concepts and ideas to him... Which would have worked better as Polar Claw or Wolfang. Especially during Season One, I think they could have swapped out the one note Cheetor for him.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043822)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 8:59am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 8:59am CST
I think the lack of bird bots was probably engineering, in that there's only so many ways to transform them. Nothing a revival line couldn't fix with new design tricks
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043824)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 9:09am CST
Yet they were the equivalent to "Jets". The Predacons had Terrorsaur and a handful of flying bugs. The pre-Transmetal Maximals had Airazor, a completely redundant Primal and Silverbolt, part of a Combiner Team.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 9:09am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I think the lack of bird bots was probably engineering, in that there's only so many ways to transform them. Nothing a revival line couldn't fix with new design tricks
Yet they were the equivalent to "Jets". The Predacons had Terrorsaur and a handful of flying bugs. The pre-Transmetal Maximals had Airazor, a completely redundant Primal and Silverbolt, part of a Combiner Team.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043839)
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 10:27am CST
I liked that it gave Megatron the aerial advantage like in the original show.
I wonder what the show would've been like with Insecticon as a part of the cast!?!
Posted by Coptur on November 5th, 2019 @ 10:27am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I think the lack of bird bots was probably engineering, in that there's only so many ways to transform them. Nothing a revival line couldn't fix with new design tricks
Yet they were the equivalent to "Jets". The Predacons had Terrorsaur and a handful of flying bugs. The pre-Transmetal Maximals had Airazor, a completely redundant Primal and Silverbolt, part of a Combiner Team.
I liked that it gave Megatron the aerial advantage like in the original show.
I wonder what the show would've been like with Insecticon as a part of the cast!?!
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Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2019 @ 10:30pm CST
I really do like the Protoform X stuff though. That rivalry with Depthcharge was like Joker vs Batman but done in their own way. Scorponok was never a character that had much going for him, so I didn't mind his demise. Terrorsaur had much more potential.
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2019 @ 10:30pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Throw out the 'Protoform X' stuff
I really do like the Protoform X stuff though. That rivalry with Depthcharge was like Joker vs Batman but done in their own way. Scorponok was never a character that had much going for him, so I didn't mind his demise. Terrorsaur had much more potential.
Re: Top 5 Best Beast Wars Toys of Non Show Characters (2043912)
Posted by Rainmaker on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:50am CST
Having Tigatron was cheaper than making an entirely new model for either Polarclaw or Wolfang
Posted by Rainmaker on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:50am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Tigatron had a lot of interesting concepts and ideas to him... Which would have worked better as Polar Claw or Wolfang. Especially during Season One, I think they could have swapped out the one note Cheetor for him.
Having Tigatron was cheaper than making an entirely new model for either Polarclaw or Wolfang
