First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box
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First came the rumor, then came the confirmation, and now we can finally bring you our first look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime in all his glory thanks once again to Transformer Never Die. If you've handled a G1 Prime before there isn't a whole lot new to see here. Unless the lighting is throwing things off (it's entirely possible!) his colors appear to be based mainly on the 25th Anniversary version from 2008 in a slightly pink shade of red. He does have a small bonus in seemingly including both the skinny and chunky versions of his blaster, but that's apparently it.
Unfortunately these new pics also squelch a few theories about including the Music Label head, a Matrix, axe, or blue windows seen on other iterations. At least the stickers aren't pre-applied. Also, listings on brickseek for this item have him currently priced at $49.97.
So what do you think? Still excited about the return of long stacks? Disappointed that he's a basic figure with no trailer? Let yourself be heard down in the Energon Pub!
Unfortunately these new pics also squelch a few theories about including the Music Label head, a Matrix, axe, or blue windows seen on other iterations. At least the stickers aren't pre-applied. Also, listings on brickseek for this item have him currently priced at $49.97.
So what do you think? Still excited about the return of long stacks? Disappointed that he's a basic figure with no trailer? Let yourself be heard down in the Energon Pub!
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Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999131)
Posted by leokearon on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:37am CST
Posted by leokearon on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:37am CST
An extra gun is no substitute for a trailer. Feels like you are getting half a toy
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999132)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:39am CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:39am CST
Called it. Also, I could tell that was the original glazing color from the photos Shajaki shared
I hope they offer a trailer version for those who want a complete Optimus.
Either way, I'm not personally interested since I already have a complete G1 Optimus. Like, I might be slightly interested if it had the axe and matrix, since Dark0v has been out of the repro business for years now and nobody's currently producing a kit with those from what I can tell. But as it is? Pass.
This is obviously meant for people like Emerje who think the trailer is a space hog just because they don't have permanent display room for it.
I hope they offer a trailer version for those who want a complete Optimus.
Either way, I'm not personally interested since I already have a complete G1 Optimus. Like, I might be slightly interested if it had the axe and matrix, since Dark0v has been out of the repro business for years now and nobody's currently producing a kit with those from what I can tell. But as it is? Pass.
leokearon wrote:An extra gun is no substitute for a trailer. Feels like you are getting half a toy
This is obviously meant for people like Emerje who think the trailer is a space hog just because they don't have permanent display room for it.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999135)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:59am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:59am CST
Extra gun is nice. Can give it to another Prime figure in your collection whether it's the original toy that's lost his or a modern figure that you just want to have the original gun with (cos a lot of modern guns look a bit crud, especially Titans Return ones where they hollow them out for seats) Nice it has the original head too cos that music label one just looks weird.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999136)
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:25am CST
You're not wrong and I'm not the only one that feels that way. It's not so much that I think all versions should be without a trailer, I just think there whould be options. Some of us want half a toy.
(BTW, this will be on the front page once a little hiccup gets fixed.)
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:25am CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:leokearon wrote:An extra gun is no substitute for a trailer. Feels like you are getting half a toy
This is obviously meant for people like Emerje who think the trailer is a space hog just because they don't have permanent display room for it.
You're not wrong and I'm not the only one that feels that way. It's not so much that I think all versions should be without a trailer, I just think there whould be options. Some of us want half a toy.
(BTW, this will be on the front page once a little hiccup gets fixed.)
Emerje
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999137)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:30am CST
Lack of trailer would bother me more if it was Magnus who needs his trailer to even look like himself... or Powermaster Prime where the cab is far more primitive and less articulated than this original Prime with the main point of that toy is to combine with it's trailer.
Original Prime functions fine without his trailer so it's not a big deal to me who might just want the main figure but not the big grey box or (as i said before) might already have the trailer with a broken or short stacked Prime. 
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:30am CST
Emerje wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:leokearon wrote:An extra gun is no substitute for a trailer. Feels like you are getting half a toy
This is obviously meant for people like Emerje who think the trailer is a space hog just because they don't have permanent display room for it.
You're not wrong and I'm not the only one that feels that way. It's not so much that I think all versions should be without a trailer, I just think there whould be options. Some of us want half a toy.
(BTW, this will be on the front page once a little hiccup gets fixed.)
Emerje
Lack of trailer would bother me more if it was Magnus who needs his trailer to even look like himself... or Powermaster Prime where the cab is far more primitive and less articulated than this original Prime with the main point of that toy is to combine with it's trailer.
Original Prime functions fine without his trailer so it's not a big deal to me who might just want the main figure but not the big grey box or (as i said before) might already have the trailer with a broken or short stacked Prime.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999138)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:39am CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:39am CST
I think it's a pity however that once again they've failed to give us a retooled version of Kawamori's Folly that replaces the stupid decorative handle with a 5mm peg
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999148)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:39am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:39am CST
My own G1 Optimus is the commemorative one that came with the extra 
voicebox. He had shorts smokestacks and I had to order a pair of long ones from China to upgrade him. Those arms are a NIGHTMARE to disassemble. Lots of tiny, tiny springs and gears inside that tend to fly off everywhere. I succeeded and now my Optimus have long DIECAST stacks.
I'm pretty pleased that this Optimus do have the long smokestacks. People will have the "real" Optimus without having to struggle with an upgrade. Now my only hope is that he'll be priced at 50$CAN at the very most and he'd be available aplenty like Hotrod was. So that everyone have a chance to get him while undercutting the scalpers.
voicebox. He had shorts smokestacks and I had to order a pair of long ones from China to upgrade him. Those arms are a NIGHTMARE to disassemble. Lots of tiny, tiny springs and gears inside that tend to fly off everywhere. I succeeded and now my Optimus have long DIECAST stacks.I'm pretty pleased that this Optimus do have the long smokestacks. People will have the "real" Optimus without having to struggle with an upgrade. Now my only hope is that he'll be priced at 50$CAN at the very most and he'd be available aplenty like Hotrod was. So that everyone have a chance to get him while undercutting the scalpers.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999155)
Posted by shajaki on December 16th, 2018 @ 7:43am CST
Posted by shajaki on December 16th, 2018 @ 7:43am CST
Y'know, I'm on board for this no trailer thing. Y'all know how many MP trailers I got layin around? 
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999161)
Posted by Evil Eye on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:13am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:13am CST
ANOTHER G1 Prime reissue? And the gun STILL has the handle in the wrong place?
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999166)
Posted by returnofplex on December 16th, 2018 @ 10:32am CST
Posted by returnofplex on December 16th, 2018 @ 10:32am CST
Someone looked up the SKU and the Wal Mart system had this at $49.99. I bought an extremely high quality(as good or better than the Hasbro reissues over the years), complete KO, in a G1 box for less than $40.00 SHIPPED from China to my door. I could see them praying on our nostalgia by doing it complete with trailer at $59.99, but this is ridiculous.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999167)
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 10:56am CST
I think this is exactly what is going on here. HasTak are under the belief people will buy anything that plays into nostalgia for G1 Optimus (toy and cartoon). That's why we have a whole debate over the outlandish price of MP-44. The worst part of all of this is, they are right. So... many... people are going to cave and buy these regardless of the price. I'm sorry, but if I can buy Siege Optimus, who is a better toy in practically every way for $30, there is just no chance in hell this brick of a robot is worth $50. I know this is coming off as especially salty, but I've grown very tired of a retail toy company selling toys for far more than they're worth. $150 Primus anyone?
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 10:56am CST
returnofplex wrote:Someone looked up the SKU and the Wal Mart system had this at $49.99. I bought an extremely high quality(as good or better than the Hasbro reissues over the years), complete KO, in a G1 box for less than $40.00 SHIPPED from China to my door. I could see them praying on our nostalgia by doing it complete with trailer at $59.99, but this is ridiculous.
I think this is exactly what is going on here. HasTak are under the belief people will buy anything that plays into nostalgia for G1 Optimus (toy and cartoon). That's why we have a whole debate over the outlandish price of MP-44. The worst part of all of this is, they are right. So... many... people are going to cave and buy these regardless of the price. I'm sorry, but if I can buy Siege Optimus, who is a better toy in practically every way for $30, there is just no chance in hell this brick of a robot is worth $50. I know this is coming off as especially salty, but I've grown very tired of a retail toy company selling toys for far more than they're worth. $150 Primus anyone?
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999168)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:01am CST
Posted by Black Bumblebee on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:01am CST
If this guy sells for any more than $20 then it just isn't worth it. Let's face it, G1 Prime is one of the easiest figures to find on ebay as everyone has had one. The only thing that puts his price up is all the small little bits like a hose for roller or making sure that the trailer door isn't broken.
This, though? It has no extras. No nothing. Nothing special. As pointed out, he doesn't have the music label head. He doesn't have a matrix. He doesn't have blue tinted windows. He doesn't have a special back piece It's just a simple, basic, G1 Prime cab. If that's all you want... G1 cabs are available for uber cheap on ebay. Or at your local salvation army.
This, though? It has no extras. No nothing. Nothing special. As pointed out, he doesn't have the music label head. He doesn't have a matrix. He doesn't have blue tinted windows. He doesn't have a special back piece It's just a simple, basic, G1 Prime cab. If that's all you want... G1 cabs are available for uber cheap on ebay. Or at your local salvation army.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999171)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:04pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:04pm CST
Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999172)
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:09pm CST
I expect some level of mark ups on collector oriented figures, but there is a limit to what is reasonable. $50 for a little truck cab robot is not reasonable. One could argue it has the prestige of being the "original" one, but that's not really the case when this release comes with half of the toy.
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:09pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
I expect some level of mark ups on collector oriented figures, but there is a limit to what is reasonable. $50 for a little truck cab robot is not reasonable. One could argue it has the prestige of being the "original" one, but that's not really the case when this release comes with half of the toy.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999174)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:22pm CST
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:22pm CST
I'm looking forward to this release, despite its hefty price tag. My G1 Optimus Prime in my collection right now is the 25th Anniversary one from the Universe 2008 line. I've already got the trailer and all of the accessories that come with it. The problem is, that was a sub-par Optimus Prime figure in the set, what with the off colors of red and blue and the short smoke stacks. Now I've got a chance to replace that with a more genuine reissue of the original toy, with the right red and blue colors, the original long smokestacks, and the retooled gun that fits right in his hands too! I might wait and see if he'll eventually go on deep discount like Hot Rod did, but I'll certainly be picking this release up.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999178)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:32pm CST
It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:32pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999179)
Posted by no-one on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:34pm CST
Posted by no-one on December 16th, 2018 @ 12:34pm CST
Because Takara does no wrong and is premiumwilliam-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999188)
Posted by hausjam on December 16th, 2018 @ 1:26pm CST
Posted by hausjam on December 16th, 2018 @ 1:26pm CST
Reissue hot rod was or is selling for half price. This one may well also. If it does, I may pick one up. Even though I already have 3 g1 primes.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999192)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 16th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
This is true and it's a myth that needs to be busted for good...i also completely forgot about Unicron of Light
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 16th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
carytheone wrote:Because Takara does no wrong and is premiumwilliam-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.
This is true and it's a myth that needs to be busted for good...i also completely forgot about Unicron of Light
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999196)
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:14pm CST
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:14pm CST
I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999198)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999200)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:40pm CST
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 2:40pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999206)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:20pm CST
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:20pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999209)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:35pm CST
Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:35pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999210)
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:46pm CST
The Commemorative Series Hot Rod had metal feet. However, the newest reissue is the 2004 Takara reissue minus the Targetmaster. This version uses painted plastic feet.
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:46pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.
The Commemorative Series Hot Rod had metal feet. However, the newest reissue is the 2004 Takara reissue minus the Targetmaster. This version uses painted plastic feet.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999211)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:50pm CST
UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 3:50pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.
UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999212)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:02pm CST
Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.
The 2000 Takara reissue
Hasbro Commemorative Rodimus Major
TFC-13 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:02pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.
-Kanrabat- wrote:But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.
The 2000 Takara reissue
Hasbro Commemorative Rodimus Major
TFC-13 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999213)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:14pm CST
Plastic tires. Windows removed. What kind of blasphemous trashy reissue are we talking about here?
Not even Chinese knock-off "reissues" would dare do such a thing!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:14pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.
Plastic tires. Windows removed. What kind of blasphemous trashy reissue are we talking about here?
Not even Chinese knock-off "reissues" would dare do such a thing!
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999214)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:18pm CST
Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:18pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.
Plastic tires. Windows removed. What kind of blasphemous trashy reissue are we talking about here?
Not even Chinese knock-off "reissues" would dare do such a thing!
Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999215)
Posted by Ultra Markus on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:19pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:19pm CST
i wish they would bring back the TFC reissues
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999219)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:50pm CST
WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:50pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999221)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:51pm CST
Cost saving.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2018 @ 4:51pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!
Cost saving.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999225)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:19pm CST
This. And like, aside from the chrome on those plastic tires those last runs of vintage Ultra Magnus didn't even have any PAINT.
Mind you, Bruticus and Piranacon are the only such combiners who've been reissued.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:19pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!
Cost saving.
This. And like, aside from the chrome on those plastic tires those last runs of vintage Ultra Magnus didn't even have any PAINT.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Mind you, Bruticus and Piranacon are the only such combiners who've been reissued.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999227)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:20pm CST
Proof that corporations being cheap is not a new thing.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:20pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.
WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!
Cost saving.
Proof that corporations being cheap is not a new thing.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999229)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:36pm CST
Wat? The 2018 reissue has metal feet.
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:36pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?
If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.
The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.
Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.
Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.
UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.
But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.
Wat? The 2018 reissue has metal feet.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999231)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:53pm CST
Using Jobby the Hong's cold touch technique©
Hey, that's true!
I didn't notice at first because of the thick layer of paint.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 5:53pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Wat? The 2018 reissue has metal feet.
Using Jobby the Hong's cold touch technique©
Hey, that's true!
I didn't notice at first because of the thick layer of paint.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999251)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:38pm CST
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:38pm CST
Why doesn't he have a trailer? Ugh!
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999253)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:42pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:42pm CST
Fun fact, if you use the inflation calculator, G1 Optimus Prime would be sold today for.... $50!!!
... with his trailer.
... with his trailer.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999255)
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:52pm CST
Hasbro doesn't set MSRP on store exclusives, those are entirely up to the store. The exception being those online exclusives that are available at multiple retailers like May Mayhem. Unit prices are also something they don't always get to dictate. It used to be a fairly well known fact that Walmart and TRU would bully Hasbro into unit prices so low they were barely making a profit off their own products and nearly shut them down. I'm curious what the actual unit price on TLK Cybertron/Primus was (I found the computer leak, but the unit price isn't listed), but I'll be re surprised if it's anything close to the actual retail price.
Takara Tomy's green Unicron makes more sense at the price. It's more limited, more obscure, online-only, marketed to collectors, and not released to coincide with a major motion picture.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 8:52pm CST
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.
LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery
It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP.
Hasbro doesn't set MSRP on store exclusives, those are entirely up to the store. The exception being those online exclusives that are available at multiple retailers like May Mayhem. Unit prices are also something they don't always get to dictate. It used to be a fairly well known fact that Walmart and TRU would bully Hasbro into unit prices so low they were barely making a profit off their own products and nearly shut them down. I'm curious what the actual unit price on TLK Cybertron/Primus was (I found the computer leak, but the unit price isn't listed), but I'll be re surprised if it's anything close to the actual retail price.
Takara Tomy's green Unicron makes more sense at the price. It's more limited, more obscure, online-only, marketed to collectors, and not released to coincide with a major motion picture.
Emerje
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999258)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:17pm CST
No idea if that Sears catalog page from 1985 is from the USA or Canada. Assuming it's American, that Optimus was 24$. Meaning 56.22$
Yup. That's pretty much exact. So that mean it's not just inflation at work here. And that Optimus could be considered a "leader class" with his trailer. So the price was fair at the time. So here, we are definitely overpay the "premium collector fee".
BTW, the city bot Omega Supreme was 40$. Meaning around 94$ today.
Oh, and assuming Tracks was a "deluxe", at 10$ in 1985, it's 23$ today. That one is on point I guess.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:17pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Fun fact, if you use the inflation calculator, G1 Optimus Prime would be sold today for.... $50!!!
... with his trailer.
No idea if that Sears catalog page from 1985 is from the USA or Canada. Assuming it's American, that Optimus was 24$. Meaning 56.22$
Yup. That's pretty much exact. So that mean it's not just inflation at work here. And that Optimus could be considered a "leader class" with his trailer. So the price was fair at the time. So here, we are definitely overpay the "premium collector fee".
BTW, the city bot Omega Supreme was 40$. Meaning around 94$ today.
Oh, and assuming Tracks was a "deluxe", at 10$ in 1985, it's 23$ today. That one is on point I guess.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999262)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:30pm CST
I dont see how a toy made to reflect something that actually happened on a show be more obscure than a deco that has no source material. I also dont see how one can be claimed to be marketed to collectors while the other one is not. Afterall the reveal information for Primus was sent to transformers fan sites (such as this one) by Hasbro themselves.
And yeah, my use of the word MSRP was not correct, since there is no MSRP. I just meant that pricing matches the retail price we are seeing for Unicron, which is why I dont understand this double standard. Both are expensive exclusive redecos of Supreme class toys from the Unicron trilogy aimed at Collectors and at the same price/price point.
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 9:30pm CST
Emerje wrote:Takara Tomy's green Unicron makes more sense at the price. It's more limited, more obscure, online-only, marketed to collectors, and not released to coincide with a major motion picture.
Emerje
I dont see how a toy made to reflect something that actually happened on a show be more obscure than a deco that has no source material. I also dont see how one can be claimed to be marketed to collectors while the other one is not. Afterall the reveal information for Primus was sent to transformers fan sites (such as this one) by Hasbro themselves.
And yeah, my use of the word MSRP was not correct, since there is no MSRP. I just meant that pricing matches the retail price we are seeing for Unicron, which is why I dont understand this double standard. Both are expensive exclusive redecos of Supreme class toys from the Unicron trilogy aimed at Collectors and at the same price/price point.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999271)
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:16pm CST
Something that happened in the cartoon 15 years ago for a few minutes that only dedicated fans remember is the very definition of obscure and was treated as such by Takara Tomy. Primus, on the other hand, wasn't sold as Primus, it was sold as Cybertron to tie into a movie that centered around Cybertron and marketed directly to kids as part of the gimmicky "Mission to Cybertron" sub-line with the decoder. Deco is irrelevant, only the intention matters. Them promoting it through collector sites is also irrelevant unless you're going to try to argue BotBots were made for collectors since they too were sent to fan sites.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:16pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:Takara Tomy's green Unicron makes more sense at the price. It's more limited, more obscure, online-only, marketed to collectors, and not released to coincide with a major motion picture.
Emerje
I dont see how a toy made to reflect something that actually happened on a show be more obscure than a deco that has no source material. I also dont see how one can be claimed to be marketed to collectors while the other one is not. Afterall the reveal information for Primus was sent to transformers fan sites (such as this one) by Hasbro themselves.
And yeah, my use of the word MSRP was not correct, since there is no MSRP. I just meant that pricing matches the retail price we are seeing for Unicron, which is why I dont understand this double standard. Both are expensive exclusive redecos of Supreme class toys from the Unicron trilogy aimed at Collectors and at the same price/price point.
Something that happened in the cartoon 15 years ago for a few minutes that only dedicated fans remember is the very definition of obscure and was treated as such by Takara Tomy. Primus, on the other hand, wasn't sold as Primus, it was sold as Cybertron to tie into a movie that centered around Cybertron and marketed directly to kids as part of the gimmicky "Mission to Cybertron" sub-line with the decoder. Deco is irrelevant, only the intention matters. Them promoting it through collector sites is also irrelevant unless you're going to try to argue BotBots were made for collectors since they too were sent to fan sites.
Emerje
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999275)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:28pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:28pm CST
This is all just opinions and assumptions. None of that changes the fact that both similarly sized redecos of toys from the same era are priced identically.
Also i think Hasbro is tryong to get everyone's money with Botbots.
Also i think Hasbro is tryong to get everyone's money with Botbots.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999276)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:29pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 16th, 2018 @ 11:29pm CST
Also, Encore Unicron of Light is an enhanced recreation of a rare (Only 10 made) lucky-draw campaign prize. That said, it is still a bit greedily priced.
I guess we know who's setting the prices:
I guess we know who's setting the prices:
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999280)
Posted by Emerje on December 17th, 2018 @ 1:32am CST
Doesn't sound like we're going to come to an agreement on this, but I don't think I'm wrong that Unicron is deserving of its price and Primus isn't.
Hasbro is trying to get everyone's money with everything.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 17th, 2018 @ 1:32am CST
william-james88 wrote:This is all just opinions and assumptions. None of that changes the fact that both similarly sized redecos of toys from the same era are priced identically.
Also i think Hasbro is tryong to get everyone's money with Botbots.
Doesn't sound like we're going to come to an agreement on this, but I don't think I'm wrong that Unicron is deserving of its price and Primus isn't.
Hasbro is trying to get everyone's money with everything.
Emerje
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999312)
Posted by no-one on December 17th, 2018 @ 7:33am CST
I agree with Will on the double standards, I've seen some crazy mental gymnastics done by fans.
Posted by no-one on December 17th, 2018 @ 7:33am CST
You don't say...Emerje wrote:Hasbro is trying to get everyone's money with everything.william-james88 wrote:Also i think Hasbro is tryong to get everyone's money with Botbots.
Emerje
I agree with Will on the double standards, I've seen some crazy mental gymnastics done by fans.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999328)
Posted by william-james88 on December 17th, 2018 @ 8:52am CST
If we are talking strictly numbers and production business, and not just fan opinion, then the only reason Unicron would be more deserving of his price is if he cost more to make. And since both supreme class figures cost about the same at retail back in the day when they each came out, I doubt thats true.
Of course one can be worth more your money to you, since you put more value on one than the other. I think that Unicron is far more desirable, I for sure want it more than "G2 Primus". But saying TRU is evil because they charge that much feels simply wrong on all accounts, especially since a similar price (Unicron does have an MSRP) for a planetformer redeco release is dictated onto retailers in Japan by the supplier.
And I 100% agree that Hasbro tries to sell everything to everyone, so we can agree on that
Posted by william-james88 on December 17th, 2018 @ 8:52am CST
Emerje wrote:Doesn't sound like we're going to come to an agreement on this, but I don't think I'm wrong that Unicron is deserving of its price and Primus isn't.
If we are talking strictly numbers and production business, and not just fan opinion, then the only reason Unicron would be more deserving of his price is if he cost more to make. And since both supreme class figures cost about the same at retail back in the day when they each came out, I doubt thats true.
Of course one can be worth more your money to you, since you put more value on one than the other. I think that Unicron is far more desirable, I for sure want it more than "G2 Primus". But saying TRU is evil because they charge that much feels simply wrong on all accounts, especially since a similar price (Unicron does have an MSRP) for a planetformer redeco release is dictated onto retailers in Japan by the supplier.
And I 100% agree that Hasbro tries to sell everything to everyone, so we can agree on that
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999334)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:35am CST
Posted by Rodimus Knight on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:35am CST
On the plus side, Prime has the full smoke stacks, on the negative side, no trailer. If he doesn' thae Die cast parts at that price point though, pure rip off. Even with the Die cast I'm having trouble justifying it at that price.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999336)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:39am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:39am CST
There's never been a release of the Optimus Prime/Ultra Magnus cab that didn't have die cast.Rodimus Knight wrote:On the plus side, Prime has the full smoke stacks, on the negative side, no trailer. If he doesn' thae Die cast parts at that price point though, pure rip off. Even with the Die cast I'm having trouble justifying it at that price.
Re: First look at G1 reissue Optimus Prime out of box (1999338)
Posted by o.supreme on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:42am CST
Objection Your Honor...
Seriously though, looks like the news this weekend of a *sans trailer* Optimus Reissue proved me wrong, and yet proved me wright at the same time
Posted by o.supreme on December 17th, 2018 @ 9:42am CST
Seibertron wrote:The folks at Hasbro aren't idiots
Objection Your Honor...
Seriously though, looks like the news this weekend of a *sans trailer* Optimus Reissue proved me wrong, and yet proved me wright at the same time
