First look at Siege Springer, Thundercracker, and Red Alert from Walmart

Hmmmmm Is that springer a new mold?

I don't need another Springer but at least it's not an 84/85 character? Guess that one fan that didn't like the Roche Springer toy can be happy now. They're probably out there somewhere.

Some day I might find these in the wild.

Might also become Pope.

Think the second one might be more realistic these days.

Well this was unexpected if it turns out to be true. User Mr. Chaos on the TFW2005 forums has posted some new UPC codes for known figures from an anonymous source, but included was a new UPC for a figure that we haven't heard rumors of yet: Leader class Astrotrain.

WFC Leader Class Astrotrain. E3419. UPC 63050988227

Now, obviously, this hasn't been confirmed by Hasbro so take this rumor with a grain of salt. We are heading into Toy Fair starting Friday so there's a possibility this figure may make an appearance at the event if it's true. Thanks to Seibertronian Autobot N for making us aware! Feel free to speculate away in the Energon Pub forums below!

ScottyP wrote:I don't need another Springer but at least it's not an 84/85 character? Guess that one fan that didn't like the Roche Springer toy can be happy now. They're probably out there somewhere.

I love the Generations Springer. It’s fantaric. I’m really looking forward to this one too though. It looks straight out of the ‘86 Movie and with the way that Siege has been knocking them out of the park, I bet this will be a really good figure.

If I can just get all the triple changers in a consistent style, I guess I'll be happy. I'd rather see them ALSO be the same size class (which is why I have been hoping for Springer have a Titan Master), but whatever. I just want all six to match... If they're gonna re-do all the ones that were in Titans Return, then so be it. As long as they match.

I’ll be keeping my T30 Springer, thank you very much. That has got to be one of the greatest action figure toys I own.

Blitzwing is bae wrote:Hmmmmm Is that springer a new mold?

What else would it be?

ScottyP wrote:I don't need another Springer but at least it's not an 84/85 character? Guess that one fan that didn't like the Roche Springer toy can be happy now. They're probably out there somewhere.

I never cared much for the thin and lanky Generations Springer. I'm extremely happy with this update. Can't wait to see the robot mode! Hopefully he's stocky or bulky like his animation model.

I"ve got better things to do tonight than die!
-Springer

More pics via the thread on Tfw2005

Budget constraints and shelf space mean I might not go for repaints where possible. Though red alert and thundercracker do look the part.

Even hough I enjoyed the previous springer and sandstorm figures, it did have some issues with stiffness (i’ll Probably need a pen knife to move some panels next time I transform them). Also some of the proportions didn’t feel right. Can’t wait for more pix if this guy’s other modes to see how he stacks up.

Re astrotrain, was pretty happy with the tr version but I guess they want to balance the triple changers faction releases. A commander class would be nice...

Besides some obvious choices for characters like the usual suspects... eg megs and prime, they seem to be cherry picking bots which were already cybertronian... the seekers... jetfire... so where are bumblebee and wheeljack? Jazz too.. granted we’ve had our fair share but they’d be obvious picks. Also... the 3 autobot targetmasters... their vehicles were always cybertronian... they could fit them in... really want to complete that line up.

Oh, there are the null rays. That other picture was definitely a cross-promotional shot though, meaning Wave 3 has another Blowpipe-type Targetmaster, I assume Caliburst? Regardless, Thundercracker still looks good, but I'm still going to wait.

Springer's still a pass.

It actually greatly surprises me how much better Red Alert looks than Sideswipe. It was easy for me to pass on Sideswipe because of how basic that G1 design is and how boring Sideswipe looks, but this version of the mold looks way more appealing. I might actually grab him if he looks this good in person, wow. Apparently all it took was for them to give him an actually interesting color scheme and details other than just Everything Is Red. Also it looks like he has the same light bar piece as Prowl, but his gun seems to be new. This does give me at least slightly more hope for Barricade to actually be good (only slightly though).

As for Prime, there was nothing that would change my mind at this point I think, but these pictures did cause me to notice some things:
-It looks like they left his shoulder armor on his shoulders when they transformed him to alt mode rather than store it in the boots like reviewers have done, I wonder which is the official transformation?
-Seeing the inner robot here in a clear shot has caused me to realize that to me, since my first Prime was the Unicron Trilogy one (my good old Bendy Prime, who's been my only Prime until this year), it looks/feels more right to me for Optimus Prime to have yellow eyes rather than blue eyes.

Overall, very much looking forwards to what we'll see this weekend, and to most of these figures (sorry Springer).

i can't wait for Skywarp (Which is going to be a Starscream Redeco) and do his thing during More Than Meets The Eye Part III

frogbat wrote:Budget constraints and shelf space mean I might not go for repaints where possible. Though red alert and thundercracker do look the part.

Even hough I enjoyed the previous springer and sandstorm figures, it did have some issues with stiffness (i’ll Probably need a pen knife to move some panels next time I transform them). Also some of the proportions didn’t feel right. Can’t wait for more pix if this guy’s other modes to see how he stacks up.

Re astrotrain, was pretty happy with the tr version but I guess they want to balance the triple changers faction releases. A commander class would be nice...

Besides some obvious choices for characters like the usual suspects... eg megs and prime, they seem to be cherry picking bots which were already cybertronian... the seekers... jetfire... so where are bumblebee and wheeljack? Jazz too.. granted we’ve had our fair share but they’d be obvious picks. Also... the 3 autobot targetmasters... their vehicles were always cybertronian... they could fit them in... really want to complete that line up.

I think we're gonna see another line full of Titan Masters (or whatever name they decide to give them) and we'll see the Autobot Targetmasters, (hopefully a Cyclonus to match TR Scourge,) Apeface, Snapdragon and Scorponok as the Titan. At least I hope so. If they don't have Head/Titan Masters, then that's YET ANOTHER "set" that doesn't match each other.

Deadput wrote:

I guess im the only one who wants Vector Prime after i get Galaxy Optimus. but if he got a new model on SIEGE, i'd totally waste my wallet for it

Hm, Springer's actually appealing to me. Even I get him just as part of a small Marvel UK set. I still have the 30th thrilling one and it's nice but I've gone off it a tad and it doesn't really fit in my mostly movie collection anyways. I painted up a TR Hot Rod as a Marvel figure so this Springer might fit well with it.

I agree with the comment that the Red Alert deco makes the boring Sideswipe mold look a bit more interesting.

Does Springer have two swords now? His 30th and G1 toys had one sword made up of both rotor blades coming together. This one looks like you just use one blade to make a sword. Which is nice. Though again I question the practicality of using a key part of your alt-mode's mobility as a weapon that could get damaged or lost. But hey at least he's got his car mode as a back up.

oh good then i can recreate this scene

I kinda like how this Springer deals with something deco-wise that I've been thinking about since the leaked listing for him: were they gonna go with the toy-style yellow hood/chest, or cartoon-style green? Their solution is a nice blend: Keep the yellow, but relegate it to the very front of the hood/bottom of the chest so in robot mode it still largely matches the movie look in robot mode, but doesn't outright ditch the yellow there.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:I think we're gonna see another line full of Titan Masters (or whatever name they decide to give them) and we'll see the Autobot Targetmasters, (hopefully a Cyclonus to match TR Scourge,) Apeface, Snapdragon and Scorponok as the Titan. At least I hope so. If they don't have Head/Titan Masters, then that's YET ANOTHER "set" that doesn't match each other.

Maybe in the "revenge of the titans" or something...

I'd be ok for the target masters to lose the headmaster gimmick - I'd be more concerned if they were too small in relation to the previous TR deluxes.

I Found something interesting on twitter, although the post is in Japanese
With the recent Astrotrain rumor, somethings odd happening on Siege Website recently, if you type "SUNSTREAKER" or "TARN"
This appears:


Hang on, are these coming on Siege line?


Twitter source: https://twitter.com/redeyeToy1/status/1 ... 3721612293
Retwitted source: https://twitter.com/SpiderSorcerer/stat ... 2915895296


Oh no... i don't like this at all, the DJD is giving me PTSDs.

Albatross250 wrote:I Found something interesting on twitter, although the post is in Japanese
With the recent Astrotrain rumor, somethings odd happening on Siege Website recently, if you type "SUNSTREAKER" or "TARN"
This appears:


Hang on, are these coming on Siege line?


Twitter source: https://twitter.com/redeyeToy1/status/1 ... 3721612293
Retwitted source: https://twitter.com/SpiderSorcerer/stat ... 2915895296


Oh no... i don't like this at all, the DJD is giving me PTSDs.

...were those not the on-package codes for Sideswipe and Shockwave, respectively? I don't have either of those figures, but I'm pretty sure this isn't new information. Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely love an actual figure of Tarn, but I feel like this isn't confirmation of that.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:I Found something interesting on twitter, although the post is in Japanese
With the recent Astrotrain rumor, somethings odd happening on Siege Website recently, if you type "SUNSTREAKER" or "TARN"
This appears:


Hang on, are these coming on Siege line?


Twitter source: https://twitter.com/redeyeToy1/status/1 ... 3721612293
Retwitted source: https://twitter.com/SpiderSorcerer/stat ... 2915895296


Oh no... i don't like this at all, the DJD is giving me PTSDs.

...were those not the on-package codes for Sideswipe and Shockwave, respectively? I don't have either of those figures, but I'm pretty sure this isn't new information. Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely love an actual figure of Tarn, but I feel like this isn't confirmation of that.

Who doesn't? the Altmode looks Slick and Sick!


And i still want a Roller because Roller looks like Tarn, and not Glitch.

Springer looks so photoshopped. have to wait for actual product shots. looking forward to it though.

Mechastrike wrote:Springer looks so photoshopped.

I didn't know Photoshop could do CAD renders.

For real though they used to have grey models hand painted and would then Photoshop those further for promo images and folks complained. Now they just use the CAD models when these aren't yet production ready and... complaining. We're terrible

Seibertron wrote:

ScottyP wrote:I don't need another Springer but at least it's not an 84/85 character? Guess that one fan that didn't like the Roche Springer toy can be happy now. They're probably out there somewhere.

I never cared much for the thin and lanky Generations Springer. I'm extremely happy with this update. Can't wait to see the robot mode! Hopefully he's stocky or bulky like his animation model.

I thought getting closer to animation models wasn't necessarily a good thing? Don't get me wrong, I understand your point here as Generations Springer was 100% based on his IDW design (I say this now recalling that the Sandstorm design came first apparently!), just pointing out how you moved away from MP figures for getting too far into looking like animation designs. I'm sure if elaborating you'd say that you like the balance between animation model and extra detail.

Anyway Generations Springer is one of the best Transformers figures of the past decade so a new one has a long way to go to impress me. This is not to say it won't be a fun, satisfying toy. I'm just hard to impress despite being easy to please

I'd actually meant to comment on Astrotrain. I was hoping a new Astrotrain would use the new "Commander" class like Jetfire. I just want to shove other Decepticons in an Astrotrain sometime.

Red alerts another easy pass, Springers looking good. TR Astrortrain does the job but it might be another pleasant surprise/ugrade like with Jetfire (even the henkai/classics Astrotrain is a fairly decent toy so its hard to imagine it going wrong).

Albatross250 wrote:I Found something interesting on twitter, although the post is in Japanese
With the recent Astrotrain rumor, somethings odd happening on Siege Website recently, if you type "SUNSTREAKER" or "TARN"
This appears:


Hang on, are these coming on Siege line?


Twitter source: https://twitter.com/redeyeToy1/status/1 ... 3721612293
Retwitted source: https://twitter.com/SpiderSorcerer/stat ... 2915895296


Oh no... i don't like this at all, the DJD is giving me PTSDs.

No, that appears to be the date displayed on the top of the phone screen. Also that date is January 13th a date that has since past.

Also remember guys, Tarn is a location, just like Iacon which was Optimus' secret.

ScottyP wrote:Anyway Generations Springer is one of the best Transformers figures of the past decade so a new one has a long way to go to impress me. This is not to say it won't be a fun, satisfying toy. I'm just hard to impress despite being easy to please

I used to think that but as time's gone on I've lost a lot of love for it. I still like it but I dunno. It was an awkward size for the character and the chopper was a bit junky and the car looked like the head of Count Duckula. I'd be happier with a deluxe figure. Maybe it's the IDW-style of the 30th I dislike but have some nostalgia for the Marvel Springer which this figure resembles more.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Anyway Generations Springer is one of the best Transformers figures of the past decade so a new one has a long way to go to impress me. This is not to say it won't be a fun, satisfying toy. I'm just hard to impress despite being easy to please

I used to think that but as time's gone on I've lost a lot of love for it. I still like it but I dunno. It was an awkward size for the character and the chopper was a bit junky and the car looked like the head of Count Duckula. I'd be happier with a deluxe figure. Maybe it's the IDW-style of the 30th I dislike but have some nostalgia for the Marvel Springer which this figure resembles more.

Yeah if you're not into the IDW design then this new one is a good option.

Personally, I'm not abandoning my love for the Nick Roche "skinny jeans style" designs just because Hasbro has

Springer looks nice. It's almost as if the main line is becoming more and more "Masterpiecey."

(Still waiting for Takara to release the first figures from the line...)

Wish we could get an answer about Skyfire's symbol soon. He's featured on this new cover with the Decepticon tattoo again (surrounded by MP-44, MP-17+ and MP-29+.)

Thanks to Seibertronian Jtprime17 we have our very first look at long since leaked Transformers Siege figures of Springer, Red Alert, and Thundercracker. The pictures are from BrickSeek which pulled the images from hidden listings on Walmart.com.

The most interesting is our first look at Voyager Springer! While it's only his helicopter mode we can instantly see that this figure is based on the original 1986 figure. As expected, Voyager WFC-S39 Thundercracker is a repaint of Starscream, but notably missing his null-rays, instead holding a recolored Battlemaster Blowpipe. WFC-S35 Red Alert is a retool of Sideswipe as we've seen in some art. He includes a unique weapon made from his light bar that appears to also be able to double as a gun.

We have updates the article below with mroe oficial images of most of the missing modes from yesterday's pics. Now we see Springer's robot mode, but we are still missing an image of his car mode. Thanks to Deadput for this update.

Another Astrotrain?

And Springer looks nice, but why are we doing the same characters over and over when there are so many that haven't been revisited?

RiddlerJ wrote:Another Astrotrain?

And Springer looks nice, but why are we doing the same characters over and over when there are so many that haven't been revisited?

There’s been 2 Springer figures in 6 years. Hardly overdoing it.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:Another Astrotrain?

And Springer looks nice, but why are we doing the same characters over and over when there are so many that haven't been revisited?

There’s been 2 Springer figures in 6 years. Hardly overdoing it.

Plus we’ve pretty much gotten everybody except autobot Targetmasters and a few headmasters. It’s not like there’s that many left to modernize. Literally 13 years of CHUG. It’s lasted longer than the original G1 run.

The well is drained clean.

But it is funny to hear people say “another of this character?” When a couple years ago people were throwing hissy fits that’ characters were being made into headmasters saying “that character isn’t a headmaster. Why are they doing this?”

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:Another Astrotrain?

And Springer looks nice, but why are we doing the same characters over and over when there are so many that haven't been revisited?

There’s been 2 Springer figures in 6 years. Hardly overdoing it.

Plus, this new one will fit in much better with the new Impactor, and he has the G1 aesthetic, so maybe he might fit better in CHUG too

Heck, I just made a skit lol:

Open And Play Big Spring: I'm more articulated, complicated, great quality, and still affordable. What do you have that's better than mine?

Siege Springer: (smirks) A headsculpt.

Huh so Springer is a voyager; decisions decisions

I wonder what will they choose for the Altmode of Astrotrain be?
Coal Powered or Bullet Train?



or this???

I dropped this everywhere else, might as well drop it here too. Siege wave 2 deluxes $10 shipped, well pre-order anyway.

https://hasbropulse.com/collections/transformers

old school train, 100%

I don't know if this should go here, but Netflix announced a Transformers war for cybertron show.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/15 ... ix-in-2020

ScottyP wrote:Personally, I'm not abandoning my love for the Nick Roche "skinny jeans style" designs just because Hasbro has

I liked the figure despite it being based on one of his designs and was just glad the face didn't resemble his style much cos I really truly hate the way he often draws TF faces. Usually too goofy, over the top cartoony and weird pointy nosed goblin-like for me. But yeah the figure is good. The size always did bug me though. He should be the tallest out of the Star Wars trio of him, Hot Rod and Arcee but not THAT much taller. He towered over their toys yet was a bit too short to stand with Masterpiece sized versions of them so I found it very annoying to display him with his most well known pals. I would hope this Siege one is one of the taller deluxes so it's still 'small' but tall enough to be larger that Generations Arcee and Titans Hot Rod. I do have a junker 30th Springer who I had previously customised to be a Hot Rod but yeah I was never happy with it and I removed the new parts and stripped most of the paint and it's just sitting about for parts or be a dead bot something. I dunno.

Wait what? I just read it's a voyager now? What? oh great now i gotta wait to see how it actually scales...

Also I should mention it's apparently an anime. And it's animated by rooster teeth.

I honestly have zero interest toward Thundercracker. Maybe if they make a SkyWarp I'll get interested.

Springer looks really cool. It's really nice seeing this guy after all these years. I may get him.

Red Alert looks cool. I don't need him. What I'd like to see is a Siege Sunstreaker. The combiner Wars one was a little lame and certainly didn't remind me of the actual character.

The Leader Optimus Prime looks super cool, and I'm getting this guy for sure. I love the homage to cybertron/Galaxyforce. Both modes look solid. Prime having yellow eyes is also a nice touch.

Albatross250 wrote:

Ah yes, the very rare actual tranformation of a Transformer in MTMTE. Still, an actual Hasbro licensed toy is probably going to turn some heads, seeing as how this is one has several 3P versions already.

What's Crackin'? wrote:I honestly have zero interest toward Thundercracker. Maybe if they make a SkyWarp I'll get interested.

Skywarp is confirmed, will be an exclusive

o.supreme wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:

Ah yes, the very rare actual tranformation of a Transformer in MTMTE. Still, an actual Hasbro licensed toy is probably going to turn some heads, seeing as how this is one has several 3P versions already.

It's not really Tarn, as it's just Shockwaves password, as it's Tarn as in the city, not the character.

Astrotrain doesn't thrill me. I'll have to wait and see what he looks like to decide if he's going to replace the CW Astrotrain.

Springer I might get. I really like the Generations Springer, but the new one also looks good, and the new mold would further separate him from Sandstorm, as good of a retool as that was.

Hasbro is really making me think with some of these.

Astrotrain sounds cool. I don't know if he's a must have though.