Full Breakdown with Images of Legacy United Wave 2
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These should be revealed soon as Hasbro has announced a live stream for every Thursday of March.
Wave 2: April 2024
Core BM Cheetor
Deluxe G1 Gears
Deluxe Cyberverse Chromia
Deluxe Shard
Voyager BW Silverbolt
Voyager Cybertron Starscream
Leader G1 Sandstorm
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Posted by --B-- on March 8th, 2024 @ 3:47pm CST
Posted by First-Aid on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:22pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:24pm CST
The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
Posted by First-Aid on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:29pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
This is a thing I didn't know I needed until now.
Posted by o.supreme on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:29pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
I've said before, there are very few items other than what's on my very short wish list, that I want to obtain. But the "izers" have been fun additions since 2019. But as said, the newest ones look amazing. Cant wait to get Shard.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:38pm CST
Then you might wanna check out this from eight years ago.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
This is a thing I didn't know I needed until now.
Posted by Razorbeast88 on March 8th, 2024 @ 5:49pm CST
I may just have Shard as a star raider since I'll likely have lockdown be his own bot
And if there are Shard repaints/retools down to line, I will most likely bite
Posted by Starseeker on March 8th, 2024 @ 6:59pm CST
Posted by SpaceEagle on March 8th, 2024 @ 7:04pm CST
Starseeker wrote:Talking about wave 2 of United and I still haven't seen a single wave 1 figure in stores yet other than core class lol!
Ugh, yeah, same here. I don't think there's many collectors in my area it seems!
Posted by blackeyedprime on March 9th, 2024 @ 3:30am CST
Sandstorm if his feet can be mistransformed to give him thicker feet rather than the abomination of just helping him to stand up. Must say though, Haslab omega prime needs to take his wheels, Sandstorms look to be two parts and not a thin mess with hardly no tires. I'd have to wait until it dropped to Deluxe price anyhoos so hence sticking to T30.
Posted by Rtron on March 9th, 2024 @ 7:06am CST
Sabrblade wrote:The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
Totally. And the fossilizers! I've said this before and I'll say it again: Fossilizers and the new Rock guys should have been their own toyline, with a comic or a cartoon backing them up. They're so fun and new yet really in line with the transformers concept. I wish they had bios on the packaging, a website or something at least. Specially since the design team clearly thinks about this, in the last stream Maher gave a back story for the new little hammer guy...
Posted by First-Aid on March 9th, 2024 @ 9:37am CST
Rtron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The original Rock Lords always did look, to me, like they could easily fit in with and pal around with the Beast Wars cast. Just imagine those original designs animated by Mainframe and interacting with the Maximals and Predacons on prehistoric Earth.First-Aid wrote:I don't know what it is about that figure but I LOVE Shard. It's almost got an organic appearance to it despite the "Rock Lord" theme.
Totally. And the fossilizers! I've said this before and I'll say it again: Fossilizers and the new Rock guys should have been their own toyline, with a comic or a cartoon backing them up. They're so fun and new yet really in line with the transformers concept. I wish they had bios on the packaging, a website or something at least. Specially since the design team clearly thinks about this, in the last stream Maher gave a back story for the new little hammer guy...
That is an excellent idea. Ive been begging for ANYTHING new and not G1 based for several years and been disappointed every time. Transtech was my go to, but a Rock Lords or Fossilizers themed show would have....
....wait for it....
...totally rocked!
See what I did there?
Posted by william-james88 on March 9th, 2024 @ 9:40am CST
Sources from these images are:
https://twitter.com/Z_Magnus_News/statu ... 5399366061
https://weibo.com/u/1459078762?is_all=1 ... 6149917501
https://www.facebook.com/groups/tfchile
Posted by Overcracker on March 9th, 2024 @ 10:04am CST
Chronia is o.k.
Was not planning on getting Shard, but it looks so good. And that large shield/pick axe mode so cool.
Sandstorm is also looking fine. So many things I want, wallet gonna scream.
Posted by Emerje on March 9th, 2024 @ 10:05am CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:So I think all we are really missing so far is someone to represent in Legacy:
Japanese G1
Metalhawk is being rereleased in wave 4.
Emerje
Posted by TK415 on March 9th, 2024 @ 10:38am CST
Posted by TK415 on March 9th, 2024 @ 10:38am CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on March 9th, 2024 @ 10:48am CST
Not very likely but I still have that old Dirge and an update would be nice
Posted by First-Aid on March 9th, 2024 @ 11:14am CST
Sandstorm...I'm mixed on him. I actually enjoyed the Generations take on him. My wife says he just looks goofy. I'm not going to argue with her...not because I agree, but because I've been married almost 25 years and know better.
THat Starscream is damned near perfect. Now...just waiting for a third party to make a cannon that snaps over the sword.
Silverbolt...wow. Just amazing. Absolutely spot on. I think we can skip any BW Masterpiece for him. This is it.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on March 9th, 2024 @ 12:49pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on March 9th, 2024 @ 12:52pm CST
Where?TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?
Posted by Overcracker on March 9th, 2024 @ 1:06pm CST
TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?
Bumblebee Movie Studio Series 38 Voyager Optimus Prime.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on March 9th, 2024 @ 1:35pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Destron on March 9th, 2024 @ 3:18pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 9th, 2024 @ 4:21pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Theoretically speaking, if I were able to get Legacy United Beast Wars Silverbolt and Cybertron Starscream, which ones would you like to see first?
Being so familiar with the original, I'd want to get Cybertron Starscream first to see what improvements they did on the original concept.
BW Silverbolt is also a must-have to complete my BW cast.
Posted by TK415 on March 9th, 2024 @ 11:52pm CST
Overcracker wrote:TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?
Bumblebee Movie Studio Series 38 Voyager Optimus Prime.
Awesome thanks man!
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 10th, 2024 @ 1:25am CST
Posted by Emerje on March 10th, 2024 @ 6:59am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?
It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on March 10th, 2024 @ 12:02pm CDT
Looks like the Twitter user who made this collage used the wrong cartoon models for Sandstorm, the ones made by a Russian fan. They're all fuzzy in quality, and the blacks are so dark and washed out you can barely see the windows on the side of the helicopter or the details on the hood of the dune buggy.
Here's the correct models.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 10th, 2024 @ 12:15pm CDT
Especially when many pictures got their color changed, and toy pictures depends on the camera and general lighting.
What matters with these comparison shots are the overall shapes of the toy VS the toon. And for a Generations line, that's as close as we can get.
Posted by noctorro on March 10th, 2024 @ 1:08pm CDT
Silverbolt, why? I have the original and always thought of him as perfect. And this 95 years later modern tooling, he looks well the same.
Canonball, damn shame, I wished they were aiming for Armada Red Alert and not Cybertron Red Alert. I understand because of the recolor stuff but I would've loved an Armada voyager Redalert who isn't horribly deformed.
Cybertron Starscream, now that is excellent! I hope they do the Thundercracker / Skywarp repaints. Armada Starscream was a bit mid, okay but just dull. Also a bit loose in the joints, atleast mine.
Chromia, at first I was very excited! Then I realized she doesn't look like the Cyberverse cartoon figure. The head is all wrong, she needs cartoony cute big eyes and lipstick. She just looks like a bland generations figure. Perfect as is, but not that Cyberverse Chromia. C'mon HAsbro you did Cyberverse Arcee perfectly, why not repeat that?
That purple bird thing lady chick looks cool.
Sandstorm looks like hell to transform, so big pass.
What I'm looking forward to is a new Devastator, will he be deluxe limbs?
Posted by Sabrblade on March 10th, 2024 @ 1:14pm CDT
We are getting a Voyager Armada Red Alert.noctorro wrote:Canonball, damn shame, I wished they were aiming for Armada Red Alert and not Cybertron Red Alert. I understand because of the recolor stuff but I would've loved an Armada voyager Redalert who isn't horribly deformed.
Because this is Legacy, not the Cyberverse line proper. Legacy keeps G1-ifying everything from stylized lines.noctorro wrote:Chromia, at first I was very excited! Then I realized she doesn't look like the Cyberverse cartoon figure. The head is all wrong, she needs cartoony cute big eyes and lipstick. She just looks like a bland generations figure. Perfect as is, but not that Cyberverse Chromia. C'mon HAsbro you did Cyberverse Arcee perfectly, why not repeat that?
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 10th, 2024 @ 1:46pm CDT
I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.Emerje wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?
It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 10th, 2024 @ 1:48pm CDT
Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.Rodimus Prime wrote:I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.Emerje wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?
It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 10th, 2024 @ 3:01pm CDT
noctorro wrote:What I'm looking forward to is a new Devastator, will he be deluxe limbs?
The limbs have been confirmed(?) to be deluxes AND voyagers. I guess deluxe arms and voyager legs. As for the torso, nothing is confirmed but I can guess both would be "leaders" who would come with the combining extra bits.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on March 10th, 2024 @ 7:52pm CDT
Anyhoo, It would be interesting to see how they mix Deluxe with voyagers to create a larger bot when typically it's been closer to Legends scale Since I don't have breakdown yet I don't know how "big" Menasor is or how it compares to the old Devastator.
In the past two bots formed the chest/torso so how does/will it work out with a Voyager, and which one will it be? The configuration is pretty much set, so it couldn't be the arms and legs which leave Hook and/or Long Haul. 4 Deluxe and 2 Voyagers? Would also seem kind of odd being that they all looked the same size on screen. It would also put Devastator at $170 when complete versus the old version being smaller bots.
So does that mean they will just try to Titan this beast or sprinkle it out via the main line over teh course of 2-4 waves?
Posted by Sabrblade on March 10th, 2024 @ 8:19pm CDT
Legacy Menasor is a smidge taller than the Combiner Wars Combiners and Siege Jetfire, roughly 12 inches or 1 foot tall. The Titan class Devastator was about 18 inches or 1.5 feet tall.Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyhoo, It would be interesting to see how they mix Deluxe with voyagers to create a larger bot when typically it's been closer to Legends scale Since I don't have breakdown yet I don't know how "big" Menasor is or how it compares to the old Devastator.
At this time, we don't know anything about the torso components. The leak that revealed Scavenger and Bonecrusher to be Deluxes and Scrapper and Mixmaster to be Voyagers didn't mention Hook or Long Haul.Till-all-R1 wrote:In the past two bots formed the chest/torso so how does/will it work out with a Voyager, and which one will it be?
The latter.Till-all-R1 wrote:So does that mean they will just try to Titan this beast or sprinkle it out via the main line over teh course of 2-4 waves?
Posted by Emerje on March 10th, 2024 @ 8:52pm CDT
noctorro wrote:Silverbolt, why? I have the original and always thought of him as perfect. And this 95 years later modern tooling, he looks well the same.
He was a great figure for the time, easily one of the best, but there was a lot of room for improvement. The wings sat awkwardly over his shoulders for the action feature rather than on his back which isn't great. The cartoon also made him scale a lot larger (as well as fixing his wings) which the new figure reflects.
Sabrblade wrote:Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.Rodimus Prime wrote:I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.Emerje wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?
It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.
Even the Beast Wars Again repaints haven't been that dedicated. As far as his color goes, maybe it was a little darker on the show, but so much of that was set at night and in dark spaces that it's hard to really say for sure. I think it's spot on.
Emerje
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 10th, 2024 @ 10:59pm CDT
He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.Rodimus Prime wrote:I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.Emerje wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?
It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.
Even the Beast Wars Again repaints haven't been that dedicated. As far as his color goes, maybe it was a little darker on the show, but so much of that was set at night and in dark spaces that it's hard to really say for sure. I think it's spot on.
I'm sorry if I come off nitpicky, I'm just trying to make it make sense. He just doesn't look like he did on the show. The others, as ridiculous as some of their colors were, at least adhered to their show colors somewhat.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 10th, 2024 @ 11:19pm CDT
The differences in lighting are accurate to how they both appear in each book, respectively.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 11th, 2024 @ 12:51am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 11th, 2024 @ 1:04am CDT
The Mainframe art is all I was pointing out with that scan, and we know that's canon. What the text says is irrelevant to this case.Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, neither of those is the light shade of gray the new figure has. That's what I'm trying to say. The toy should be colored the same darker shade that's in both of those examples, especially in the Ultimate Guide. (Even though wasn't that dismissed years ago as non-canon, but just one variation of things as shown by Simon Furman?)
Posted by Emerje on March 11th, 2024 @ 2:33am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?
Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.
South American gray eagle
Gray Tundra wolves
Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.
Emerje
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 11th, 2024 @ 4:32am CDT
Posted by Emerje on March 11th, 2024 @ 7:26am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, they have to make room for the upcoming Takara "premium finish" version in a sure to come 2 pack. But who Silverbolt would be packed with?
Originally it was Rampage so it may be a while before we see Silverbolt in a BWA 2 pack.
Emerje
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 11th, 2024 @ 10:19am CDT
I was genuinely asking those questions, I am not familiar with all the varieties of eagles. I DID know there are more species of eagles than just the bald eagle. Wolves, I know a bit more about, but the gray tundra wolf specifically did not come to mind.Emerje wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?
Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.
South American gray eagle
Gray Tundra wolves
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Each toy iteration of a character is a chance to fix previous failings, and unless they specifically wanted to adhere to the original toy's scheme, the new toy also fails, even if it's closer. But this is all a matter of opinion, if its acceptable to you, that's fine with me. It's not acceptable to me, and that should be okay with you. We're not spending each other's money on it after all.Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 11th, 2024 @ 12:09pm CDT
Also, back when Takara was releasing their Beast Wars Metals line in 1999, they redecoed almost every figure in more show-accurate coloring. Consequently, the Takara Silverbolt was much whiter than the Hasbro version.
Hasbro Silverbolt on the left, Takara Silverbolt on the right:
But not as white as Windrazor:
Posted by william-james88 on March 11th, 2024 @ 2:21pm CDT
We have the web pages for those preorders below so that you can be ready.
Remember, some Walmart exclusive never made it to store shelves and remained online only, like Galaxy Shuttle and TLK Hot Rod.
Here are the links:
Lockdown: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101948?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff
Cannonball: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5226743233?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff
Ferak: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5285700004?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff
Filch: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101950?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff
Posted by Till-all-R1 on March 11th, 2024 @ 3:25pm CDT
Probably not looking at a repeat Cosmos situation as each DLX figure should come 2 each making it 6 bots per case right? While Ferak is 4X per case?
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 11th, 2024 @ 3:37pm CDT
If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.