German Video Review of Titans Return Powermaster Optimus Prime

Just had (in my opinion) a genius idea; switch Magnus's hammerhead weapon with PMOP's regular actually-looks-like-a-convincing-gun weapon. Optimus gets his dual cannons that look identical to each other, and Magnus gets dual anti-son-of-a-b**** rifles!

Achtung, baby!

The more I see of PMOP the more I like him. But what I really want to address is this.



How can Blurr be so nekked looking and Brainstorm look so nice with all the different colors? I may just end up with two Brainstorms looking good on my shelves

It is a fair question. Blurr just doesn't look good compared to the others with the lack of paint. Others have done far better with that little paint, but he really looks bland.

I predict that Transformers Legends Blurr will be a fast sell-out and fetch high prices on the secondary market. The Takara paint job is just so much more appealing and satisfying than Hasbro's "effort," it isn't funny.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I predict that Transformers Legends Blurr will be a fast sell-out and fetch high prices on the secondary market. The Takara paint job is just so much more appealing and satisfying than Hasbro's "effort," it isn't funny.

Esepcially since it actually looks like Blurr.

I would suggest masking and spraying some light blue or white on to the Blurr toy or simply skipping him and buying the Takara one.

carytheone wrote:How can Blurr be so nekked looking and Brainstorm look so nice with all the different colors? I may just end up with two Brainstorms looking good on my shelves

Easy answer: because its not a retail release. Blurr is, but that Brainstorm in the picture above is from the SDCC exclusive set which usually has premium deco. So it better have better deco than a standard retail toy.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I predict that Transformers Legends Blurr will be a fast sell-out and fetch high prices on the secondary market. The Takara paint job is just so much more appealing and satisfying than Hasbro's "effort," it isn't funny.

Yeah, I saw that coming too, hence why I didnt hesitate in preordering him.

I found a video review of Titans Return Loudmouth that was made by the same guy who made the PMOP review. It's in German just like that one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k_U663rAHTw

How come I like those darker colors on Blurr better than the original colors?

Is there any way to have it just Apex's head without the big Prime head hanging off?

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Is there any way to have it just Apex's head without the big Prime head hanging off?

Not without breaking your toy, I don't think; but on the other hand, you could always put Apex on the upcoming Voyager Prime. That's why the helmets are there; the Titan Masters are the same size as the Deluxe and Voyager heads so they're too small on their own for Leaders.

Our German friend from the Titan Returns Optimus video review seems to have hit some motherload because he is now reviewing the wave one titan masters. Below you will find a review of Loudmouth and while the words can't be understood by non German speakers, this gives us a good look at the transformation of the little vehicle and the possible play-ability. Enjoy!

Can't wait! now all we need is the actual body to go with the head

Hmmm.

Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...

"Das Hovertrain", made my day. (i'm easily amused)

Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...

I was too, but now I want the Titanmasters even more! Only because I love the massive amount of playability they give to the Titans Return toyline as a whole.

Seems like this line has been nicely planned out, I tip my hat to the design team. I'm also looking forward to seeing more pics of different titan masters on the big bodies, really getting some head switching going on.

Full review of Titans Return Fortress Maximus is up in english from Optibotimus:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...

I was too, but now I want the Titanmasters even more! Only because I love the massive amount of playability they give to the Titans Return toyline as a whole.

I know right? You don't even need one of the bases; just get a Deluxe and a Titan Master and already you've expanded playability. I really like this.

Wow. I guess I'm the only one not excited about this line. Looks like my Titans collection will begin and end with Blaster and Soundwave. Good news is I'm going to be saving my money. Bad news is I'm hobby-less for a few years.

I guess it woulda been cool if the car transformed into a helmet that made the smaller head fit a larger class bot.

I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes

If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes

If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.

I don't know anything about the japanese stuff, I was just going by the logic that the brain would be in the head, so, swap the heads and swap personalities - or does the spark in the body contain the personality?

This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.

I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes

If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.

I don't know anything about the japanese stuff, I was just going by the logic that the brain would be in the head, so, swap the heads and swap personalities - or does the spark in the body contain the personality?

In "The Rebirth", Brainstorm instructed his fellow Autobot pre-Headmasters to download their memories and personalities into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests, so as to maintain them whenever their heads would be detached from their bodies.

In the Japanese fiction, the bodies were never alive, built as lifeless constructs for the smaller -bodied Autobots to transform into heads that would attach to and control.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated

Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

Also, we have had tons of English reviews for Fort Max, but theyw ere relegated to the review section of the site, so any further review can be posted there instead. I eprsonally really liked this one: titans-return-fortress-maximus-review-by-kathleen-s-klutter-t107070.php

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.

So... Put short and easy, this is Armada's Mini-Cons all over again. The main body provides the base stats, the head provides the boosts, and each is its own entity. Gotcha.

Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

And that's why we have the Titan Master Class: spare heads, should you lose one.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.

You know, now that you say that I think the individual Titan Master packs are kind of their answer to losing heads. You lose one, you buy one. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up getting some of the alternate Japanese headsculpts early next year, giving kids just enough time to lose them, then offering a slightly different replacement.

EDIT: Of course someone else says this while I'm typing it out.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.

So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro

Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.

Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction

No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.

I think the way it works with Titanmasters is more like the head is a symbiote like Venom or Carnage in Marvel. They can move to different bodies and form a symbiotic bond where both personalities use the same body, kinda like Rebirth if they ever got around to switching heads.

I think personally, I'll just treat it as the Japanese method. I normally absorb official canon into my fan canon and then create a new when I think the official stuff is lacklustre.

What I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?

But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?

bluecatcinema wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.

Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?

Doesn't mean that the Japanese transtector ideas didn't work better

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So... Put short and easy, this is Armada's Mini-Cons all over again. The main body provides the base stats, the head provides the boosts, and each is its own entity. Gotcha.

That is precisely how Hasbro sees it. Its a very toy driven line and uses these more oldschool concepts which I find quite fun. I dont mind a toy's fiction being relegated to elements only applicable to the toys themselves.

This headmaster tangent topic is doing my head in.
I'm gonna buy Me a headmaster lose his head on purpose and dress him up as a headless robot zombie and he'll live forever with no personality to speak of.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?

I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?

But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.

But what would the titan masters think about metroplex

Batfan@ Also we're allowed to go on a headmaster/titan master tangent here, this is the titans return thread

So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:

RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?

In a sense, the US and Japan are opposites when it comes to naming the complete bots:

US: Name depends on body
Japan: Name depends on head but carries the name of the larger bot in-fiction

Example: In the US, Chromedome with Arcana instead of Stylor would still be called Chromedome. But in Japan, the whole would be named Brainstorm, piloting Chromedome's body.

Do we have an idea of what will be the price range for Fortress Maximus at retail? I wonder if he will have a similar price to Metroplex (with inflation) a few years ago or just be a lot more expensive? I'm not really interested in paying twice as much as I did for Metroplex.