Jim Carter Talks Transformers: The Last Knight and Cogman

william-james88 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:...somewhat off topic, I know, but I'll be seeing the movie tonight. I'll share my thoughts (as well as those of my parents) afterward in the spoiler thread!

Good, now while you watch it, if you dont mind, please check how the talisman is actually linked to the mcguffin and what it does. And then report back. Because I am pretty sure the talisman has nothing to do with the actual main plot of the movie but it would be fun to have someone back me up on it with the movie fresh in their minds.

In the car on the way home. They needed the Talisman to open the Knight's ship, to get to Merlin's tomb and the Staff.

The weekend is practically over for most of the globe now, and after the initial reports from the international box office, we have some more news on the performance of Transformers: The Last Knight outside of the US! According to a number of sources, including Wall Street Journal and Deadline, the international opening was extremely strong, making up to $196.2 million for the opening weekend!

The domestic $69 million comes with a positive counterpoint, as TLK is dominating at number 1 over competitor releases (see here) - as opposed to, say Australia, where it opened against Cars 3 and Despicable Me 3 from the previous week, all three movies opening and competing for the younger audiences (and the kid alive in most TF fans, one assumes) as they coincide with school holidays.

The Last Knight is currently the highest opening instalment for the franchise in China, and the 4th best ever for a movie in general; the bigger hits were then seen in Korea, Russia, UK and Germany. The trend noticed so far is pretty much in line with Age of Extinction worldwide, with some expected Sunday dips in screen attendance and tickets, but a stronger opening. Read more about it here and below - and if you've seen the movie and want to talk spoilers, head here to join the discussion!

Launching in 41 offshore markets, Paramount’s Transformers: The Last Knight opened to $196.2M at the international box office. That’s a big number and is towards the higher end of the pre-weekend range. But it’s also a swing from where we saw this coming in yesterday — partially the result of an unexpected 31% drop in China from Saturday to Sunday. The debut FSS cume there is $123.4M (63% of the full offshore bow). Factoring in domestic, the global total on The Last Knight is $265.3M.

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But after China debuted bigger than some had expected, it began to look like T5 was moving across the $200M mark abroad to defy expectations. Then that market proved to be the wild card we often term it. Although the film lost no Middle Kingdom screens between Saturday and Sunday, the drop was bigger than we’ve recently seen — and daily growth was also soft in other hubs contrary to typical patterns on a movie that was teed up for overseas, and China in particular. China currently reps 63% of the full overseas total — with just 25% of Middle Kingdom receipts flowing back to the studio. The film cost a reported $217M before P&A.

Good to see it do well in its opening weekend, we'll see how it does on its 2nd weekend. I thought it was better than AoE and it was also shorter, so hopefully it will also break a billion dollars.

It would be nice to see Bay's final swing at the franchise do well, however flawed it may be. I enjoyed it, and clearly other people have too, so that's good enough for me.

Ohh that's Jim Carter! We're doing auditions for Brassed Off at moment and he's in the film of that. Awesome. Cogman lives!

This one is my favorite, I hope it does well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Good to see it do well in its opening weekend, we'll see how it does on its 2nd weekend. I thought it was better than AoE and it was also shorter, so hopefully it will also break a billion dollars.

There is NO way this movie will make a billion. Many articles already pointed that out, because of the lowest domestic opening ever, it will hit the bottom quite hard in the second week. It will going up against Despicable 3, and WW is still doing great. Don't forget CARS 3 also. You Bayformers are holding on a thin straw of hope. This is the worse in the series and I enjoyed Age of Extinction. Not saying this will flop, but it will underperform below Paramount expectations. And it's about time.

As much as I have enjoyed this series for the visuals and effects -- those really have been next-level amazing since the first movie -- I can't help but feel like this series has been such a missed opportunity to make the most of it. Imagine those amazing visuals, coupled with stories that actually had continuity from 1 movie to the next, and didn't have gaping plot holes that often undermined the premise the prior movie set -- or even the SAME movie!

For example, why is it deemed necessary for each movie in this series to have a completely different premise for when the Transformers REALLY came to Earth?

- Movie 1: The Allspark happened to land on Earth & Megatron crash-landed in the Arctic in pursuit of it during Magellan years.

- Movie 2: The Transformers were here since the cave man days, when the Primes came snooping around for suns to blow up for Energon.

- Movie 3: A bunch of them landed on the moon in earlier years, not pinpointed really.

- Movie 4: They were here since the dinosaurs on pre-historic Earth.

- Movie 5: They were here since King Arthur.

I could see if these were just 5 standalone movies, set in different universes. But for the love of Christmas man, it's supposedly a SERIES that builds off the previous movie. So why have 5 different premises for when the Transformers REALLY came to Earth. Each new movie says "Eff what the last movie said".

Hell, ROTF actually disagreed with ITSELF. They established in Act I that Optimus had no idea who the Fallen was (Like, seriously? Optimus PRIME wouldn't know the history of his own Prime lineage, but Megatron would? Absurd), yet once he's resurrected at the end of the film, he knows everything about the guy ("They were your brothers too!"), when he hadn't a clue before. He was dead for the story Jetfire told the humans. So a major plot point in the movie was undermined by the very same movie, just 90 mins later.

Again, I'm just ranting because you cats are TF enthusiasts like me & probably share my pain. So my love for this franchise over the years causes me to have that passion about it. So much visual good in these films, in terms of larger-than-life cutting-edge visuals, to be undermined by such disjointed, botched story telling...

And it's as if you're not allowed to point obvious botches like these out, or else it means you're a "Nerdboy who can't enjoy a fun summer movie".... Bay's words, btw. I appreciate the visual/action work he did. But to me a director, with Final Cut powers, to be fine with stories not connecting & plots undermining themselves later in the very same films - that's not good & the fans shouldn't be blamed for noticing.

Just got back from seeing the movie. I LOVED it! full thoughts in the spoiler thread, but It's definitely one of my favorites. It had some flaws, like all movies do, but I thought it was great and I can't wait for the Bumblebee spin-off and the sequels!

much as i dislike bays take on the transformers (ive only really copped now that what he's basically done is give us five movies where grimlock is leading the autobots instead of prime. think bout it. the dialogue makes perfect sense if you substitute one character for the other )

i AM glad its doing so well at the cinema.

mainly because IMO its the best film since the first and im disgusted at the pile on by so called "professional critics" who've been flaming it from day one.

its obvious to everyone they were more intrested in trying to kill this franchise than do their job.

i reckon it'll break the billion mark as the states just isnt the important market it used to be. if it WAS we wouldnt be getting sequels to "warcraft" and "pacific rim" . so a decent run there (which i reckon word of mouth will provide) combined with a stellar rest of the world preformance will get the job done.

hell its already paid for its production budget. i reckon it'll recoup its marketing one by this weekend.

looking forward to 2019 and the first "bay-less" film.

partholon wrote:i reckon it'll break the billion mark as the states just isnt the important market it used to be. if it WAS we wouldn't be getting sequels to "warcraft" and "pacific rim" . so a decent run there (which i reckon word of mouth will provide) combined with a stellar rest of the world performance will get the job done.

hell its already paid for its production budget. i reckon it'll recoup its marketing one by this weekend.

looking forward to 2019 and the first "bay-less" film.

I doubt it will hit 1B unfortunately, also...Warcraft is getting a sequel?...

o.supreme wrote:

partholon wrote:i reckon it'll break the billion mark as the states just isnt the important market it used to be. if it WAS we wouldn't be getting sequels to "warcraft" and "pacific rim" . so a decent run there (which i reckon word of mouth will provide) combined with a stellar rest of the world performance will get the job done.

hell its already paid for its production budget. i reckon it'll recoup its marketing one by this weekend.

looking forward to 2019 and the first "bay-less" film.

I doubt it will hit 1B unfortunately, also...Warcraft is getting a sequel?...

The drop in the second week will make BVS pale in comparison. Many articles already predicts Last Knight will fall quite rock bottom next week at the box office.

o.supreme wrote:

partholon wrote:i reckon it'll break the billion mark as the states just isnt the important market it used to be. if it WAS we wouldn't be getting sequels to "warcraft" and "pacific rim" . so a decent run there (which i reckon word of mouth will provide) combined with a stellar rest of the world performance will get the job done.

hell its already paid for its production budget. i reckon it'll recoup its marketing one by this weekend.

looking forward to 2019 and the first "bay-less" film.

I doubt it will hit 1B unfortunately, also...Warcraft is getting a sequel?...

its looking like it

its "the most successful video game movie ever" raking in 433 mil worldwide on a 160mil budget.

believe it or not the main thing scuppering the prospect is "the mummy" and its like and the financial effect its having on universal.

so the sequel could end up being made for a china/asian audience by legendary (who are a wholey owned Chinese company now). its driving duncan jones nuts as he doesnt know if he's in or out.

More updates on international markets incoming shortly.

As we reach mid-week point, we take another look at the international performance of Transformers: The Last Knight. Our previous report can be found here!

Digging through a number of sources, we have updates for box offices around the world, with UK, Korea, and China seeing the movie reach #1 over the opening weekend. Concerning the latter in particular, Xinhua reports:

Paramount's "Transformers: The Last Knight" won a landslide victory in the Chinese box office in the week ending June 25, grossing 856 million yuan (125.4 million U.S. dollars).

Also, an updated tally of numbers has been listed on Deadline, reporting an increase from initial projections and calculations, reaching $267.7M gross global income for the opening period across 41 markets.

Paramount’s Transformers: The Last Knight came in with a $3M bump in the actuals compared to Sunday’s estimates. That puts the fivequel at $199.2M in 41 markets at the international box office. The result is closer to the high end of the pre-weekend range. The opening is also 2% ahead of Transformers: Age Of Extinction’s 2014 launch on a like-for-like basis and at restated rates. The global haul is now looking at $267.7M for the debut frame.

That T5 rises closer to a $200M offshore launch is part of what was a swingy weekend. Initial reporting on Sunday, with $196.2M, was down from where we saw the film coming in on Saturday — partially the result of a bigger-than-expected drop in China from Saturday to Sunday. But the debut FSS cume there has lifted from $123.4M to $125.3M. (With unofficial numbers out of China, it’s at $138.2M through Monday.) Those are strong figures, but the film is not expected to leg out to top Age Of Extinction’s record run there, in what could be a sign of franchise fatigue.

Along with the Middle Kingdom, increases from Sunday’s estimates to Monday’s finals were notably seen in Germany, Italy, the UK, Malaysia and Poland.

Actuals for all films reporting have been updated below.

And finally, Paramount's fifth live-action instalment of the franchise with director Michael Bay at the helm - as we had most definitely noticed here on Seibertron.com, too - brings the highest spending on commercials and ads, according to iSpot.tv and reported by Variety.

Ads placed for the sci-fi/action film had an estimated media value of $6.38 million through Sunday for 2,128 national ad airings across 42 networks. (Spend figures are based on estimates generated from June 19-25. Estimates may be updated after the chart is posted as new information becomes available.) Paramount appears to be targeting a male-skewing, pop-culturally-savvy crowd, spending heavily across Comedy Central, Nick and Adult Swim.

In other Transformers: The Last Knight news, we have located a campaign by Hasbro UK and toy photographer Darryll Jones - famous for Eric the Stormtrooper - to promote the new movie using the figures from the Premier Edition toyline! Found in multiple spots across the UK's capital city of London, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Sqweeks, Grimlock and more can be found relaxing and enjoying the Big Smoke on a particularly sunny day - check out some of the images below, via his Instagram, The Drum interview, and Event Magazine!

On his photographic trip, Jones said: “I've always been really interested in taking pictures of figurines in urban environments, and it was immensely exciting to work on this project for Hasbro using the Transformers figures and iconic London landmarks to create comical installations reminiscent of a visit to London.”

In celebration of Transformers: The Last Knight hitting the big screen last week, I worked with Hasbro and captured the film’s most iconic characters in street scenes around the Capital.

Join the motley crew as they take over my instagram this week with a few of their adventures in London.

The underground can be confusing to new tourists, Optimus and Bumblebee have just arrived at Covent Garden

Cute...

Prime and squeaks look the part... that bee doesn't look as good tho.. maybe too much yellow?

love those photos.

These are freaking awesome.

You need to lift your game Va'al.

Burn wrote:These are freaking awesome.

You need to lift your game Va'al.

I know right? Curse my cameraphone.

Btw i hope the 40 or so minutes extra extended version on Blu Ray is true

Is it not a bit early to be stating 40 mins extra footage on the home version when the cinema one has only just come out? I'd like it if true but it seems a bit suspicious to me.

While that does seem suspect, it wouldn't be the first time a movie gets a ton of extra footage on the home release. Might fix all the story complains, too...

40 minutes? A DVD version having a bit more footage is hardly surprising in 2017, but... but 40?

Kurona wrote:40 minutes? A DVD version having a bit more footage is hardly surprising in 2017, but... but 40?

Exactly why I'm cautious about it. Sure, we knew a lot of things were cut, but I highly doubt it was that much. If it's real, though, I welcome it.

If it's true I hope to see Galvatron become Megatron (I suspect Quintessa is capable and likely responsible for giving Megs a true TF body again perhaps with her disgusted at the human-made body he had before) and Cogman taking Nitro's body showing off his headmaster thing that was mentioned but not seen. But yes if it's truuue that there's 40 mins extra on home version.

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw i hope the 40 or so minutes extra extended version on Blu Ray is true

Is there any source whatsoever for this?
(except for a picture on the internet, which is not a fact, just.. a picture on the internet)

Not of great importance but I liked that Transformers was listed on an article on the BBC news site as one of 2007's successes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... e-turns-10

Va'al wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw i hope the 40 or so minutes extra extended version on Blu Ray is true

Is there any source whatsoever for this?
(except for a picture on the internet, which is not a fact, just.. a picture on the internet)

This is a. Hoax. if anyone wants to look up the home video cover, just search for the film on walmart.ca

'Transformers' Stupendous 82% Friday-To-Friday Collapse Is One For The Record Books

Transformers: The Last Knight is having the same impact this week, but for all the wrong reasons. Its 82.2 percent plunge today from the previous Friday’s $54 million opening (including midnight grosses) to just $8.5 million (RMB 58 million) today is the most spectacular Friday-to-Friday drop I can recall for a wide release in China.

If its daily numbers keep crumbling the way they have, The Last Knight will struggle to make it to $240 million over the course of its PRC release. That may sound like a big number, and it would indeed rank as one of the biggest totals ever for a Hollywood release in the PRC, but even so it would still qualify as a catastrophic shortfall from pre-release expectations. A $240 million Last Knight Middle Kingdom total would equate to a 25 percent decrease in revenue from the last Transformers film, Age of Extinction, which pulled in a then-record $320 million in 2014. The 25 percent drop in the context of China’s overall 50% market growth during that three-year period make The Last Knight’s collapse all the more impressive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/06/30/transformers-stupendous-82-friday-to-friday-collapse-is-one-for-the-record-books/#7605277b6fd6

This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

Dmhead wrote:This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

If true then possibly signalling the end of my interest in Transformers. But I dunno about that cos we got Bumblebee's 'solo' movie in production.

I want a new between-movie movie line dammit, I loved Hunt for the Decepticons and TF2010.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Dmhead wrote:This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

If true then possibly signalling the end of my interest in Transformers. But I dunno about that cos we got Bumblebee's 'solo' movie in production.

I want a new between-movie movie line dammit, I loved Hunt for the Decepticons and TF2010.

I doubt Hasbro will stop making movies at this point, they're too much of a cash cow. But if they're not making us much as they could, it may cause them to reevaluate the direction they've been going in and bring in a more competent director.

You can bet we're going to get a similar shake up situation in Paramount like what happened with DC some months ago. This is nessessary, because Paramount can't play on a dead horse any longer. People are fed up with Transformers, and the numbers at the box office don't lie. It doesn't have legs both domestic and international. I propose they reboot the whole series from the Bumblebee movie.

A new week, a new update on the international faring of Transformers: The Last Knight, with still a couple of markets to release the movie (notably Japan, Spain, Brazil, Mexico). China is still holding the highest grossing box office import, but the numbers have dropped - significantly, as has happened in most other markets - from the opening weekend and week.

The unfortunate trend is found pretty much everywhere else that the movie has shown, despite number 1 positions for France, Belgium, and India where it just opened. Full numbers and projections can be found below, and over at Deadline, plus a couple of analyses found on Forbes show how we're looking more at a global $600M income for Paramount's fifth instalment, including a comparison with Age of Extinction during the same span.

Falling 66% from its international launch last weekend, Paramount’s 5th movie in the bots franchise grossed $68M this session. That’s in 44 markets with three new openings. The offshore cume is now $327.8M. France ($5M/815 dates), India ($3.5M/1,129 dates) and Belgium ($719K/156 dates) were all new No. 1s.

In holds, China leads at $29.5M from 7,000 locations this weekend. That lifts the total there to $193.5M after 10 days. The film dropped 76% in the Middle Kingdom (it had already seen a bigger than expected Saturday to Sunday drop last session and has suffered poor word of mouth). It will not reach the hoped for heights of its predecessor, Age Of Extinction, which set a new record there in 2014. That film played into the (unofficial) July blackout and became the biggest import ever (at the time) after 12 days of release. It’s not clear if the temporary moratorium on outside pics is being fully enforced by the PROC this year. Currently Despicable Me 3 is the last Hollywood film slated for a while.

Elsewhere, the best hold was in Germany which added $3.6M for a local cume of $9.7M. In Korea, Bumblebee got stung by local pic Anarchist From Colony to land at No. 2 for the sophomore session with $3M/$17.6M cume (2nd best overseas market). Russia added $2.1M for $13.1M to date and the UK toyed with another $2.1M for a $10.2M cume.

In South East Asia, Malaysia leads with $7.2M to date. Taiwan is at $5.8M. There are still major markets to release including Brazil and Mexico in two weeks and Japan and Spain in early August.

I like these movies I really do and always will even TLK but Paramount brought this to themselves since they and that hack Lorenzo's effortless attitude has made the film series and presumably the brand as a whole suffered.

Also I thought the writing team they brought in was supposed to be so that this exact situation didn't happen?

I enjoyed most of what was on screen like I always do but just like the others besides maybe the 2007 film TLK could of been so much more if the Bee movie fails too it's over and no reboot is going to save it no matter how much nostalgia they shove in I mean heck the original 1986 film didn't do amazing in theaters either.

Paramount is in a corner since Transformers is their last reliable cash maker after their countless recent flops and so is Hasbro since this, the extremely poor handling of Prime and Rid, the recent decline of interest in the IDW comics partially due to IDW's poor business decisions, once Titans Return and the Bee movie which is likely going to be the last live action film there isn't going to be anything for me here in this brand which sucks since Transformers is my last big hobby.

Sorry for the long post and maybe rant but I had to vent since this situation is depressing me especially since I just saw the film a couple more times in the theater and the awe effect is lost.

this is a really bad time for paramount.

When TLK is done in theaters can someone please make some sort of visual depiction, such as a bar graph, to compare all 5 movies profits?

griftimus prime wrote:this is a really bad time for paramount.

And to be a Transformers fan if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise and even if another Transforming robots brand comes around it's not going to be Transformers.

Paramount might have made good films in the past but that's the past and if Paramount has had flop after flop in a row I think there's a reason for it now Paramount has to think and put hard work into getting out of the hole they dug and get them out of their vegetative state.

Even if they do a reboot which is going to be tricky they can't super rely on nostalgia to bring in the crowd since most people from G1's time are in their 40's and there's only so much time before they lose interest in the brand which just leaves the younger crowd and since movies as an interest is dwindling due to the expense of theater and young people like myself being more interested in Youtube/Netflix same with toys with things like video games becoming bigger and bigger as the years go by.

Deadput wrote:if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise

I doubt it will be that bad if the movies fail, this brand has run almost continuously for the past 32 years showing how versatile it really is.

Deadput wrote:

griftimus prime wrote:this is a really bad time for paramount.

And to be a Transformers fan if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise and even if another Transforming robots brand comes around it's not going to be Transformers.

Kid, this franchise existed long before the movies, and it will exist in some form or another long after the movies. The toys themselves are the driving force and as long as they turn a profit, they'll stick around.

The single point in time Transformers ever had a drop in sales was the very late 80s and early 90s -- and even then they still had toys from the shelves. And after that it was able to sell as a premier boys toy for 10 years straight with no movies. If the Live-action movies end, I have faith the brand won't sink with it for a good while.

Graviton wrote:I doubt it will be that bad if the movies fail, this brand has run almost continuously for the past 32 years showing how versatile it really is.

Yeah Transformers has done great and has "cheated" death before but every franchise is going to end at some point because nothing lasts forever and I honestly doubt that Transformers at the very least Hasbro/Takara's Transformers are going to outlive me unless I die early on in my life (19 right now soon to be 20) Transforming robots themselves will last for a long time it's just not guaranteed to be Transformers forever.

Unless we get another Beast Wars or another 2007 movie to bring more life to our franchise the brand is going to die in the slow dwindling way like GI-Joe for example.


Transformers survive because they "transform" the brand so that there is always something new to prevent fatigue.

JazZeke wrote:Kid, this franchise existed long before the movies, and it will exist in some form or another long after the movies. The toys themselves are the driving force and as long as they turn a profit, they'll stick around.

There will always be a form of Transforming robot but it's not always going to be Transformers just like how there will always be toys but thier not going to be the same a few hundred years from now.

It won't because that's not how life works and even if it did were not always going to hold interest in the brand because we will have to grow up at some point and move on with more pressing matters.

Like eventually Transformers is going to move on from Optimus Prime and Megatron and all of the other cast and there are going to be new characters and concepts.

Everything ends at some point, but there's a lot of franchises that have managed to put up a bloody good fight -- how do we know Transformers won't last as long as say, Sherlock has? Or Shakespeare?
... feels wrong comparing Transformers to those two with the context of the live-action movies, but the point stands. It could very easily last a damn long time before dying and then inevitably getting resurrected by 2140's 2110s nostalgia kick

Kurona wrote:Everything ends at some point, but there's a lot of franchises that have managed to put up a bloody good fight -- how do we know Transformers won't last as long as say, Sherlock has? Or Shakespeare?
... feels wrong comparing Transformers to those two with the context of the live-action movies, but the point stands. It could very easily last a damn long time before dying and then inevitably getting resurrected by 2140's 2110s nostalgia kick

It will last yes I'm not saying or doubting that Transformers will end in the next few years but something is going to have to change whether for good or bad.

I'm thinking of Doctor Who that show has lived for a long time but it does do things to stay fresh like the whole regenerating Doctor thing that guy has going on.

Some Obie's are not doing good as others do like them to be despicable me 3 is number one Wonder Woman is number three cars is number five spot

I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.

It's... okay to like something that isn't good. That's what "guilty pleasures" are.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good