More G1 Knockoffs on the Horizon: Superion, Sunstreaker & Octane

robofreak wrote:This is bad. At this point it's only a matter of time until Jetfire and other grails are KO'ed.

I wonder what will happen if Lio Kaiser were to get this treatment? How many pissed off collectors would there be since the average price is $600 for the set?

Hasbro and Takara need to step up the reissues. The KO market took all the fun out of buying G1 for me and now I stick to reissues because I at least know I'm getting a legit figure with a reissue.

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

H0rdak wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

Does the Wheeljack KO have die-cast feet like the original one?

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

HighPrime wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

If you're refering to the damaged face of the Jazz Dreamwave release, yeah, that one wasn't too hot. The issue was rectified in the Encore release, though. Still, to your point about quality, with some of the other encore releases, quality/workmanship seems to be lacking. Omega Supreme and Optimus are fine examples.. something just seems off about them when compared to the originals and even past reissues in my experience.. hard to put a finger on it, though.

capellamusic wrote:

H0rdak wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

Does the Wheeljack KO have die-cast feet like the original one?

Yes, I'd say it's 99% equal to the original. One difference it has are the metal pegs on the wheels. And unlike what some people say about KOs breaking, falling apart, etc, when transformed or whatever, that is only true for cheap KOs. Not with these, these are really good in my opinion and like I said, even better done than some official reissues like Jazz.

capellamusic wrote:

HighPrime wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

ChrisR291 wrote:Are any of these KO's good quality? Just curious because some of the KO's are kinda expensive.

I have Reflector, Mirage and Wheeljack and my opinion about them is that they're as good as official reissues, if not better than some cases (e.g. Jazz reissue is worse than these KOs).

If these toys were reissues from TakaraTomy or Hasbro you wouldn't see the difference.

If you're refering to the damaged face of the Jazz Dreamwave release, yeah, that one wasn't too hot. The issue was rectified in the Encore release, though. Still, to your point about quality, with some of the other encore releases, quality/workmanship seems to be lacking. Omega Supreme and Optimus are fine examples.. something just seems off about them when compared to the originals and even past reissues in my experience.. hard to put a finger on it, though.

I have the Encore Jazz, that's the one I'm referring to. Although better than the old reissue you've said, it still lacks in some parts. And I say without a doubt that those 3 quality KOs (Mirage, Wheeljack and reflector) are much better than any Jazz reissue I've seen, in my opinion, of course.

I've never had a vintage Omega Supreme, but the Encore seems perfect to me. The Encore Optimus Prime seems good, but not as perfect. I have a vintage Optimus Prime too.

HighPrime wrote:My Encore Jazz seems fine to me. That one I don't have an original, but it was much better than the Dreamwave release. For Omega and Prime and Have both an Encore and Original. Plastic/molding just doesn't feel the same on the reissue, just feels cheap for some reason, I don't know. It's not terrible, but have the 2 in your hand, you'd be able to tell the difference. The arm joints don't make the same 'pop' or ratcheting sound of the original either. Optimus feels cheaper, too.. like the mold is screaming "enough already.. I'm worn out". What little paint applications there are on the Encore series, all have been sloppy IMO. Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus, and Starscream all have paint issues. Factory stickers are applied sloppy, too. Maybe I received a bad batch. Only Jazz is fine from the ones I have.

H0rdak wrote:Cool! Think I'll buy that once i get some cash together.

capellamusic wrote:

H0rdak wrote:Cool! Think I'll buy that once i get some cash together.

I'm really happy with mine , just take care about who you buy it from. Make sure it comes with all the accessories because that's something some people complain about and it happened to me, but the seller sent me the missing accessories without problems. I suggest you ask the seller to check the contents before sending because this happens with some MISB KOs.

capellamusic wrote:

HighPrime wrote:My Encore Jazz seems fine to me. That one I don't have an original, but it was much better than the Dreamwave release. For Omega and Prime and Have both an Encore and Original. Plastic/molding just doesn't feel the same on the reissue, just feels cheap for some reason, I don't know. It's not terrible, but have the 2 in your hand, you'd be able to tell the difference. The arm joints don't make the same 'pop' or ratcheting sound of the original either. Optimus feels cheaper, too.. like the mold is screaming "enough already.. I'm worn out". What little paint applications there are on the Encore series, all have been sloppy IMO. Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus, and Starscream all have paint issues. Factory stickers are applied sloppy, too. Maybe I received a bad batch. Only Jazz is fine from the ones I have.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I don't mind it though. I pointed that about Jazz just as comparison to those 3 KOs, because I do like it! What I see bad in my Jazz is some looseness and the arms feel really cheap with bad cut, bad molded plastic and the pieces don't fit very well together. It's not too serious though, but the details are a lot better in KOs Wheeljack, Mirage and Reflector and the pieces fit well.

H0rdak wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

H0rdak wrote:Cool! Think I'll buy that once i get some cash together.

I'm really happy with mine , just take care about who you buy it from. Make sure it comes with all the accessories because that's something some people complain about and it happened to me, but the seller sent me the missing accessories without problems. I suggest you ask the seller to check the contents before sending because this happens with some MISB KOs.

I spontaneously bought the KO shockwave from that dude on ioffer yesterday, wich I realy hope I wont regret. If that goes well and I'm happy with it, I'll buy Wheeljack from him. Thanks for the advice on the accessories

HighPrime wrote:This seller was over-zealous with sticker applications. The autobot insignias should only be applied to Silverbolt, stock. And if the other sellers are as lasy as this one below:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2FTansformers-SUPER%20...%203001r37474%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

you'll have no trouble figuring out the knock-offs.

T-Macksimus wrote:

HighPrime wrote:This seller was over-zealous with sticker applications. The autobot insignias should only be applied to Silverbolt, stock. And if the other sellers are as lasy as this one below:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2FTansformers-SUPER%20...%203001r37474%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

you'll have no trouble figuring out the knock-offs.

That is not at all what I remember from my G1 Superion. ALL of my G1 Aieralbots had insignia on the wings and they were all legit. The only G1 KO I ever had was a grey Shockwave. The only thing about this set that doesn't look right to me, sticker-wise, is the insignia on Skydives wings. He was the first Aerialbot I ever bought and this one seems to have a sticker placed over the wing stripes as opposed to having an Autobot logo incorporated into the striping like mine was.

T-Macksimus wrote:Oops, you are correct. Sorry about that. Having bought them all seperately (and so long ago) I did not even think about that aspect.

capellamusic wrote:

H0rdak wrote:

capellamusic wrote:

H0rdak wrote:Cool! Think I'll buy that once i get some cash together.

I'm really happy with mine , just take care about who you buy it from. Make sure it comes with all the accessories because that's something some people complain about and it happened to me, but the seller sent me the missing accessories without problems. I suggest you ask the seller to check the contents before sending because this happens with some MISB KOs.

I spontaneously bought the KO shockwave from that dude on ioffer yesterday, wich I realy hope I wont regret. If that goes well and I'm happy with it, I'll buy Wheeljack from him. Thanks for the advice on the accessories

You're welcome and I hope that Shockwave is as good (or better!) as Wheeljack, Mirage and Reflector . I want to buy it too, but I can't afford it right now, maybe I will next month, I always wanted to have Shockwave!

T-Macksimus wrote:For those who have ordered or are thinking about purchasing the KO Shockwave, if it is anything at all like the KO that I had as a kid (and I hope it is exactly the same as) then you will not be disappointed. Mine was exactly the same quality as the original. The only difference was the color. The legs held up just fine and I had no issues with the gun arms wiring. Since I doubt any of yours will have to withstand the rigors of actual play like mine did, the switch on the back should continue to work just fine for as long as you have the thing. Of course this is assuming it is the same creature as what I owned just in different packaging. If it is a more recently made toy and not just a repackaged overstock from years gone by then my praises could well be for nothing. This brings us right back to the initial hazards of dealing with the KO market.

ChrisR291 wrote:I appreciate all your posts. Its hard to get a straight answer about the quality of these KO's. Once I get my ebay and half money deposited, i'm buying wheeljack .