New Generations Galleries: Legends Class Starscream with Waspinator and Megatron with Chop Shop

I thought Waspinator got a new mold towards the end of the Transformers: Animated line.

Sandstorm looks awesome. Is it just the transformation or is Sandstorm twice the mass of Springer? He looks massive.

I want the bugs, but not the big guys.

wolverinetodd wrote:I thought Waspinator got a new mold towards the end of the Transformers: Animated line.

And so he has

For his size, Starscream looks detailed and nice made.

i saw prime & bumblebee in walmart today & these are not worth $10, they're slightly bigger than a legends but smaller than a commander and yet they cost more that the latter. I bet if i were to weigh a commander & one of these guys the weights would be similar & the articulation is not anymore advanced. I want Megatron & Starscream but im going to have to pass unless i can get them for around $7 or $8, anything above that is overpriced. I dont see how hasbro comes up with these prices i really dont. What sickens me more is that TRU will probably charge $13 or $15 for them.

I was considering getting Starscream & Waspinator just for Waspinator, but then we got news of his Deluxe toy coming down the pipe this year/early next year. So that plan is nixed.

Even though I'm curently not considering getting Megatron & Chop Shop (or any of them besides Cosmos & Sky High, Swerve & Blast Master, and maybe Tailgate & whoever comes with him), I'm a little disappointed that Megatron is a teewee bit shorter than Optimus Prime.

Megatron Wolf wrote:i saw prime & bumblebee in walmart today & these are not worth $10, they're slightly bigger than a legends but smaller than a commander and yet they cost more that the latter.

I could have sworn they were in between a Commander and a Scout. If they're not, they're definitely the same size as a Commander. Plus, with the extra bit of plastic that are the Targetmaster partners, that could raise the price a dollar or two more. I'd say they're worth the &10 everyone's charging.

What sickens me more is that TRU will probably charge $13 or $15 for them.

My Toys "R" Us is charging $10 a piece for them so far. Keyword, "so far".

quickmixed wrote:Sandstorm looks awesome. Is it just the transformation or is Sandstorm twice the mass of Springer? He looks massive.

The only thing that is bigger on Sandstorm are those two huge wheels on his back. Everything is the same size.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

quickmixed wrote:Sandstorm looks awesome. Is it just the transformation or is Sandstorm twice the mass of Springer? He looks massive.

The only thing that is bigger on Sandstorm are those two huge wheels on his back. Everything is the same size.

The legs on Sandstorm feel smaller than those on Springer as well.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

quickmixed wrote:Sandstorm looks awesome. Is it just the transformation or is Sandstorm twice the mass of Springer? He looks massive.

The only thing that is bigger on Sandstorm are those two huge wheels on his back. Everything is the same size.

I can see it now. Take those wheels away and they are the same size. I gotta say the wheels do a good job of bulking sandstorm out though.

That Starscream looks like a fun figure. I like that the nosecone doesn't end up on his back.

Deathscythetransform wrote:quite frankly, I'll leave it in the gun, attached to metro's hand, and leaving it alone...

And that's how this missile will get lost inevitably. I put mine in a ziploc bag inside of his chest so that I won't lose it. It shot out in my basement 3 times during the gallery. Fortunately I heard where it fell all 3 times but was able to find it.

Well those certainly blow Astro and Octane out of the water...

I didn't know how much Sandstorm's G1 figue REALLY looks like Energon Cliffy's. That's kinda nifty.

Pre Requisite Metroplex is HUGE post...

Seibertron wrote:

Deathscythetransform wrote:quite frankly, I'll leave it in the gun, attached to metro's hand, and leaving it alone...

And that's how this missile will get lost inevitably. I put mine in a ziploc bag inside of his chest so that I won't lose it. It shot out in my basement 3 times during the gallery. Fortunately I heard where it fell all 3 times but was able to find it.

I forgot to mention that I will put superglue inside the gun, to make sure the missile wont be launched accidentally

The Decepticons have a new threat... The Wreckers and their combined form Ruination! We are proud to present the newest Seibertron.com gallery, the Generations Wreckers, giving you an indepth look at these new takes on fan favorites!





The set is based on the Fall Of Cybertron Bruticus mold, but features a brand new deco with retooled heads and new weapons! And of course, it's Scramble City in it's design, allowing you to put any limb robot into a right or left configuration of both a leg and arm, adding to the level of play and maximizing their value.



These are available at retail and are currently priced at $12.99 per 'bot. Can't wait to see more? Click on any of the figure pictures below and you'll taken to the Seibertron.com galleries where you can see all of Ruination, the individual Wreckers and so many more!

First up is Ruination, the combined form of the Wreckers:



Followed by:

(Deluxe Class)
Generations Impactor



(Deluxe Class)
Generations Whirl



(Deluxe Class)
Generations Roadbuster



(Deluxe Class)
Generations Topspin



(Deluxe Class)
Generations Twintwist



Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest news, updates and the best galleries around!

Until Last week, I would've said "if that Starscream were a deluxe..." but seeing what Hasbro's doing now, I'm not sure I wanna see that anymore. Its a nice figure, attached nullrays, knees, elbows, shoulders, the jety mode kinda looks like Metroplex stepped on a nd squished an F22, but hey, licensaing and all... but I don't forsee him getting much use.

However, Wazzpinator needzzz gun that looks like Wazzpinator...

Megatron? meh. Actually reminds me a lot of his *other*Titanium transforming figure. I'm not sure if I'll ne assigning ChopShop to FOC Kickback or letting him runaround with hardshell.

And also, I'd kinda really like to see whomever did the Armada molds be brought back. The triplechanging targetmasterminicons we're seeing now aren't bad, but they're lacking a bit in their bot modes. And yes, I realize that its hard to cram three modes into the figs, and yes, I relaize i couldn't draw my way out of a wet paper bag if someone asked me to do better, but Armada had Makeshift, Terradive, Firebot, Prowl, Gunbarrl, Thunderwing, leader-1 sorta, distinctive gun, robot, and vehicle modes. And actual legs, if not actual knees...

Really looking forward to these, glad I didn't get Bruticus because these look so much better. I still hate the combined mode though. Maybe the awkward proportions would work if he didn't stand upright. I'm thinking ROTF Devastator, does anyone know if that's possible?

These look great as FOC figures but are pretty poor if they were to be repurposed 'Classicsverse' ones. I know a few poeple who were waiting on these for that very reason. MechiDeas Topspin and Twintwist are way nicer. That Impactor headsculpt is pretty nice though and deserves a better body. I wounder if anyone will be donating it to Machine Wars Strika?

i think this combination looks much much better than the bruticus version. . i may have to pick these guys up.. but i'm certainly not going to pay the retail $15 price per figure on it. if there's a sale, i'll pick them up. otherwise.. no thank you.

I sold my G2 colored FOC Bruticus without regret. The whole thing was just "meh" looking and felt pretty cheap.

However, I may just get this Wrecker set because they look way better than their counterpart.

Thank you for yet another wonderful gallery.

The combination of the new deco, retooled sculpts, and new accessories really make this set stand apart from the FoC Combaticons in a good way.

just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

Jack Hallows wrote:just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

1) Still better than endless amounts of straight repaints like they've done in the past, wouldn't you say?
2) Don't like it? Don't buy it.

And "all the money" is fairly subjective. We have no sales numbers, so yeah...

Great galleries as always, Ryan, reconfirming getting them for sure.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Jack Hallows wrote:just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

1) Still better than endless amounts of straight repaints like they've done in the past, wouldn't you say?
2) Don't like it? Don't buy it.

And "all the money" is fairly subjective. We have no sales numbers, so yeah...

Great galleries as always, Ryan, reconfirming getting them for sure.

I'm Glad we get new weapons and new heads on repaint these days. Back in the days we almost never get new heads. New head with a different paint scheme is great!



Impactor and Roadbuster looks awesome in my Wreckers Shelf! =]
the other three... I'll just throw in my FOC shelf.

Great pictures btw!

Wow Hasbro, repaint much? That combined mode is hideous.

That Whirl looks amazing!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:1) Still better than endless amounts of straight repaints like they've done in the past, wouldn't you say?
2) Don't like it? Don't buy it.

And "all the money" is fairly subjective. We have no sales numbers, so yeah...

oh please. of course they look better. it's the freaking Wreckers we're talkin about.

overall, if the toys weren't garnering revenue, hasbro wouldn't continue to push em out like this.

i understand that since it's a combiner set, the whole "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality comes into play, but geez. those boys deserve better than this. they know they can do better. we all do. hasbro's just being lazy, knowing that diehard transformers fan'll eat up whatever they spew out.

that being said, it's the Wreckers. hell yea i'm coppin em. but i'm not happy about the way they're bring treated.

Jack Hallows wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:1) Still better than endless amounts of straight repaints like they've done in the past, wouldn't you say?
2) Don't like it? Don't buy it.

And "all the money" is fairly subjective. We have no sales numbers, so yeah...

oh please. of course they look better. it's the freaking Wreckers we're talkin about.

overall, if the toys weren't garnering revenue, hasbro wouldn't continue to push em out like this.

i understand that since it's a combiner set, the whole "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality comes into play, but geez. those boys deserve better than this. they know they can do better. we all do. hasbro's just being lazy, knowing that diehard transformers fan'll eat up whatever they spew out.

that being said, it's the Wreckers. hell yea i'm coppin em. but i'm not happy about the way they're bring treated.

It's still a step in the right direction, since Roadbuster and Whirl straight repaints at first (see Cybertron Defense Hot Shot, Cybertron Legends Evac and Movie Voyager Evac).

I just opened mine and I'm super psyched about the new weapons, they are just so awesome!

Great picks Ryan.

5 recolors and it took an Autobot to cast that tank mold in any color besides green.

I was dimly interested in this set for Whirl, but he's getting a Voyager (this or next year?) so I'm passing on this one. Hopefully the other Wreckers get unique molds down the line, too.

I can't help but wonder if this Wreckers set is a pre-cursor to the Wreckers done right. We already know we're getting an amazing Whirl next year, as shown in the Hasbro panel at BotCon. We might even find out some more exciting stuff next Thursday at SDCC. I'd love to see all of the main Wreckers done right, including a proper Impactor. Give me a Rack n' Ruin and an Emirate Xaaron to boot and I'll be extremely happy.

Even if they weren't there from the beginning we have a preceptor, kup, springer, and a few ultra magni.

Seibertron wrote:I can't help but wonder if this Wreckers set is a pre-cursor to the Wreckers done right. We already know we're getting an amazing Whirl next year, as shown in the Hasbro panel at BotCon. We might even find out some more exciting stuff next Thursday at SDCC. I'd love to see all of the main Wreckers done right, including a proper Impactor. Give me a Rack n' Ruin and an Emirate Xaaron to boot and I'll be extremely happy.

I agree. I think Hasbro likes to use redecos and retools as a means to "test the waters" for more obscure characters without breaking the bank on a whole new mold. I like such careful thinking, and the creativity forced as a consequence.

Question is, where will they end up? I guess I can use them with GDO Springer and FOC Ultra Magnus.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Question is, where will they end up? I guess I can use them with GDO Springer and FOC Ultra Magnus.

This set will work wonderfully as my Shattered Glass Wreckers.

Maybe a 3rd Party is observing that will put out a weapons upgrade set including Impactor's shoulder cannon and harpoon like weapon.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Maybe a 3rd Party is observing that will put out a weapons upgrade set including Impactor's shoulder cannon and harpoon like weapon.

I do like weapons.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I can't help but wonder if this Wreckers set is a pre-cursor to the Wreckers done right. We already know we're getting an amazing Whirl next year, as shown in the Hasbro panel at BotCon. We might even find out some more exciting stuff next Thursday at SDCC. I'd love to see all of the main Wreckers done right, including a proper Impactor. Give me a Rack n' Ruin and an Emirate Xaaron to boot and I'll be extremely happy.

I agree. I think Hasbro likes to use redecos and retools as a means to "test the waters" for more obscure characters without breaking the bank on a whole new mold. I like such careful thinking, and the creativity forced as a consequence.

Question is, where will they end up? I guess I can use them with GDO Springer and FOC Ultra Magnus.

That's the only thing that stopping me from getting these guys. That we'll eventually get better, original versions later on. Whirl, who is the weakest of this set due to his poor and inaccurate color scheme, is getting an original mold. And I suspect that's probably why they gave him such an inaccurate color scheme. To differentiate the two.

Plus the club is doing Ironfist as a subscription figure. I'm honestly surprised they didn't save him for a box set of Wreckers. That surely would have been a slam dunk box set for FunPub. The fact that they're not seems like they know we will see more original Wreckers some time soon.

Jack Hallows wrote:just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

Like wise. Seeing all these repaints makes me upset as well. I'm really smdh. I still can't get over that I wasted 80 or so dollars on generations bruticus. This entire situation with this toy is Not Good. What other toy maker just throws some different paint on a figure and then goes " hey everybody, here is a new toy". No, that's not a new toy, you just painted it a different color.
And just the sight of these makes me want to forget about hasbro and only collect Masterpieces.

Eagleblaster wrote:

Jack Hallows wrote:just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

Like wise. Seeing all these repaints makes me upset as well. I'm really smdh. I still can't get over that I wasted 80 or so dollars on generations bruticus. This entire situation with this toy is Not Good. What other toy maker just throws some different paint on a figure and then goes " hey everybody, here is a new toy". No, that's not a new toy, you just painted it a different color.
And just the sight of these makes me want to forget about hasbro and only collect Masterpieces.

The first years of G1 had plenty of repaints and retools yet nobody complained...

Repaints and retools are a necessary evil though. Hasbro has stated that in order to break even with the costs of the development of a toy, the mold has to have at least two different releases.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Eagleblaster wrote:

Jack Hallows wrote:just looking at the second picture of all the identical molds for different figures shows how much of a shit attitude hasbro has for transformers now. all the money they make from sales and the best they can do is a different head, new weapons and a paint over? foh hasbro. you disgust me.

Wreck n Rule baby.

Like wise. Seeing all these repaints makes me upset as well. I'm really smdh. I still can't get over that I wasted 80 or so dollars on generations bruticus. This entire situation with this toy is Not Good. What other toy maker just throws some different paint on a figure and then goes " hey everybody, here is a new toy". No, that's not a new toy, you just painted it a different color.
And just the sight of these makes me want to forget about hasbro and only collect Masterpieces.

The first years of G1 had plenty of repaints and retools yet nobody complained...

Repaints and retools are a necessary evil though. Hasbro has stated that in order to break even with the costs of the development of a toy, the mold has to have at least two different releases.

A figure should get no more than one repaint. And if hasbro wants to do more than one then the second repaint has to be a drastic retool like Generations Sandstorm and mp-Smokescreen. This is how I fell and my opinion.

Jack Hallows wrote:overall, if the toys weren't garnering revenue, hasbro wouldn't continue to push em out like this.

God forbid that a corporation is making money with a product! The things that nobody want and make the company lose millions for lack of sales are clearly the most amazing thing ever!
Let's make no one buy Transformers anymore. That way, Hasbro will pull the plug on the franchise and all our toys will magicaly become priceless treasures. We will bask in the brand that is now rended irrelevant.

Continue being an ultimate hipster while I facepalm myself until unconsciousness.

Eagleblaster wrote:A figure should get no more than one repaint. And if hasbro wants to do more than one then the second repaint has to be a drastic retool like Generations Sandstorm and mp-Smokescreen. This is how I fell and my opinion.

If it were YOUR money on the line, you would think differently. I really dont mind normal retail repaints/retool because if I love a mold very much, I can have it again in a new way. Somethime, a given transformers is butt-ugly and just horrible looking. Then, a shiny new coat of paint and/or some new molded details and MAGIC! We just got one of the best transformers ever.

I bought and hated the G2 FOC Bruticus set. However, I just saw the FOC Wreckers and I burn with desire to buy them.

Dont forget that creating brand new molds is costly. To pay for these new molds, money need to be made. For the price a mold is, the most popular ones MUST be used again to make them profitable. It's simple economics. Repaints dont prevent new stuff for coming out. Repaints HELP the new stuf from getting out.

Also, dont want the thing? Dont but it. It's as simple as that.

I originally thought it said "Leader class," and I just sat at the computer staring in disgust at the terrible molds and bad paint job... Then I figured it out. My God I nearly had a heart attack.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jack Hallows wrote:overall, if the toys weren't garnering revenue, hasbro wouldn't continue to push em out like this.

God forbid that a corporation is making money with a product! The things that nobody want and make the company lose millions for lack of sales are clearly the most amazing thing ever!
Let's make no one buy Transformers anymore. That way, Hasbro will pull the plug on the franchise and all our toys will magicaly become priceless treasures. We will bask in the brand that is now rended irrelevant.

Continue being an ultimate hipster while I facepalm myself until unconsciousness.

you're obviously too narrow minded to get the point. so allow me to break it down barney style for you.

hasbro rakes in millions per year. they can afford to not reuse the same molds 6 times over.

so while you're face palming yourself, try to push your head outta your ass.

Seibertron & Goldrabbit have interesting points though.. it would definitely be legit if this set was only released to pique an interest and hasbro has plans to release the Wreckers as they should be released. as a no nonsense, stand alone, must have collectible set. cuz goddamnit, they deserve it. they kick aft in every continuity they're presented in. and Last Stand of the Wreckers is one of the best books ever written. hasbro's sittin on a goldmine with these guys.

I think you guys have to look at all of these releases of the same product in the past year a little differently. Part of the big picture that none of us truly understand is how the profits earned from a product like this might move the ball forward on other products we're interested in. It might be that an upcoming product actually gets green lighted, official approval, past the prototype stage, etc. It might be that it helps generate revenue for a Lamborghini license stateside that Hasbro's upper management might have been telling the Transformers brand team or marketing that they don't need. It might push the bar a little closer to Hasbro getting more shelf space for Transformers.

As a collector of this brand for almost 30 years, I know there is a slew of product that isn't intended for me personally. I don't have to like everything that has the Transformers brand on it. However, I understand the needs to push out a product like this because it just makes the Transformers money pot a little bigger so that we get awesome things like Metroplex, Sandstorm, Rhinox, Masterpiece Soundwave, etc.

If we knew that the profits generated from toys like Bruticus/Ruination meant that the next Masterpiece toy was greenlighted, I bet we'd all look at things like this a little differently.

Some of us fans remember when only 20 to 30 Transformers products came out per year during the 90s. There have been at least 50 new Transformers products that have come out worldwide in the past few months with a whole onslaught of new products coming down the pipes. It's a great time to be a fan. There is a little something for everyone right now.

hmm.. i find your insight to be highly... logical.

i, for one, collected all of the graphic novels instead of the toys, so i've never really thought about the reasoning behind why they push products the way they do. this Wreckers set is the first line that i actually want to own for myself. i'm glad i read that, because it made me think outside the box a lil. now, i'll probably buy two of each, leave one set combined and have the others as singles set up as guards for my graphic novel shelf. i just hope that the sales for this set tells hasbro that the Wreckers are and always have been ready for the big leagues. i know Pyro would be proud.

Just think of it this way ... hopefully profits generated by things like Kre-o, Bot Shots, endless repaints, mold reuses (i.e. filler products), branded licensed products that you see on greeting cards, paper plates, birthday supplies, balloons, t-shirts, shoes, etc help out on the R&D side of things for figures like Metroplex, Masterpiece Soundwave, Rhinox, and other figures that you really want. I think if you strip away all of the "filler" product, you'll find that we get far more products each year that we are really pleased with than we ever used to get back in the day. Funding for a toy like Metroplex came from somewhere. It wasn't just a wild shot in the dark. Something happened sales wise with some other products to justify to upper management that they should take a gamble on the biggest Transformers toy ever made in 26 years. While I'm pretty sure that the profits for one brand are probably pretty tied to that particular brand as for as R&D goes, but I'm sure there has to be some crossover on the books between something like last year's huge Avengers helicarrier and the Star Wars Millennium Falcon with Metroplex. If not profit-wise, at least from a "hey, we can sell these big giant toys for these brands easily let's give it a shot again with Transformers". Or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm just tossin' out worthless theories. Either way, I look at that Metroplex toy next to me right now on my gallery table and I'm just in awe that we got this thing.

Bottom line: Hasbro, please repaint Bruticus a few more times so that I can get a proper Metrotitan out of Metroplex. Thanks.

Remember that Fortmax have at least 2 repaints. So, I can bet that if Metroplex sell well, it WILL be repainted as another character. Some may BAAAAWWWW that it will make their Metroplex less unique... I will not repeat what was already said, but Hasbro Metroplex ALREADY have one repaint: The Takara version. Maybe even a 3rd one if you count the SDCC one... And they arent even out yet!

Y'know, the more I look at Ruination and the Wreckers, the more I like them. My only gripe is that Impactor's deco should be reversed. Would look much cooler if the indigo/purple was the majority of the figure. Also, with Generations: Thrilling 30 Whirl coming down the drain, I'm probably going to repurpose this Whirl as a separate character on my Classics shelf.