Review of Transformers Legacy Deluxe Skullgrin
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Posted by Quantum Surge on August 27th, 2022 @ 8:06pm CDT
Posted by Razorbeast88 on August 27th, 2022 @ 8:08pm CDT
Quantum Surge wrote:Chefatron, not PrimeVsPrime
Yup yup
Though both chefatron and primevsprime put up reviews of crankcase as well
Posted by primalxconvoy on August 27th, 2022 @ 8:34pm CDT
(Potentially) Stolen Transformers (& the YouTubers that Review Them)
https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... post-45224
Anyway, can the head easily be removed and is it on a ball joint? If so, I might be able to cobble together a replacement robot head instead for it.
Posted by TK415 on August 27th, 2022 @ 8:39pm CDT
"it has now been uncovered where people get toys early for reviews"
Sorry, I don't think I read that article.
Could someone post the link here?
Thanks
Posted by Sowndwave76 on August 27th, 2022 @ 9:11pm CDT
I know others have had issues with them in the past but they have earned my trust.
Blitzwing is incredibly good imo.
The robot mode is so good. Because it’s the most important mode of pretty much every character (outside of the Sharkticons) for me, this is the definitive version for my collection.
I’ll also mention that in-hand the tank mode is better than I expected.
This really has me wishing Hastak would go in on a re-do of Astrotrain in the next year. Fingers are crossed for a new Octane.
I can understand why some still would claim previous versions of Blitzy are better; Legacy’s jet mode is really bad overall. It had potential when you consider the main area of the jet— the proportions are very good.
But this figure has such a great bot mode, that the jet doesn’t ruin for me.
In fact, because I appreciate animation accuracy, this guy is one of the best for me, & is right up there with Cyclonus, & most of the SS86 line.
Sure, the Energon fists are beyond stupid, but I’m so happy to finally have this figure in my collection!!
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on August 27th, 2022 @ 11:51pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:31am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:My hopes for a proper Pretenders-gimmick-revival continues to diminish, but I'll be damned if I don't get this guy. Core Iguanus is pretty great, so I have no doubts this guy and Bombshell will be solid figures as well. At this point I hope Bludgeon is a hit, if not I might cry.
Until the time comes when Hasbro makes Pretender armour/shells a thing, related characters will just be shoehorned into existing lines. They still need to do proper Headmaster Juniors and some other G1 characters correctly before they get around to Pretenders too...
Posted by Emerje on August 28th, 2022 @ 3:08am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:I thought the Seibertron staff agreed that videos of potentially stolen TFs wouldn't be posted at the main news site, but only screenshots?
Will posted it a few weeks to a month ago, I can't find the post. The gist of it is that it's Hasbro's problem and if they aren't doing anything to fix it like getting the channels shut down, asking us not to post the videos or, you know, stopping the leaks out of the factory, all things they're capable of doing, then why should we care?
TK415 wrote:Hi,
"it has now been uncovered where people get toys early for reviews"
Sorry, I don't think I read that article.
Could someone post the link here?
Thanks
There's no one article, it's been mentioned in a few articles, the most upfront being the previous one on Magnificus.
Emerje
Posted by Burn on August 28th, 2022 @ 4:12am CDT
Because that does not hold up well in the tropics.

Posted by primalxconvoy on August 28th, 2022 @ 4:35am CDT
Emerje wrote:Will posted it a few weeks to a month ago, I can't find the post. The gist of it is that it's Hasbro's problem and if they aren't doing anything to fix it like getting the channels shut down, asking us not to post the videos or, you know, stopping the leaks out of the factory, all things they're capable of doing, then why should we care? Emerje
They posted what I stated above, or they posted what you said?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 28th, 2022 @ 5:38am CDT
Burn wrote:Guns are soft plastic? How soft are we talking here? Soft like Cybertron Vector Prime's sword?
Because that does not hold up well in the tropics.
I also want to add, WHY?
What's the logic behind those soft guns? I can understand melee weapons with lots of huge spikes and pointy bits, but standard cylindrical/flat guns?

Posted by Emerje on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:29am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:Will posted it a few weeks to a month ago, I can't find the post. The gist of it is that it's Hasbro's problem and if they aren't doing anything to fix it like getting the channels shut down, asking us not to post the videos or, you know, stopping the leaks out of the factory, all things they're capable of doing, then why should we care? Emerje
They posted what I stated above, or they posted what you said?
Sorry, "it" being the official stance of the site. I found the post from Will, it was in the SS topic on August 15 so nearly two weeks ago.
william-james88 wrote:Oh and FYI to anyone who was wondering, official stance on PVP has been stated to staff. Anything you may think is off is for Hasbro to look into it, not us. You can report it to Hasbro and if they tell us to take something down, we will comply. Aside from that, anything news worthy will be posted and proper links and credits will be given. If anyone has issues, they can contact the site owner through the "contact us" link at the top of the site. Any talk concerning this on the boards will be seen as not relevant to the toys and subject at hand, and will be dealt with accordingly to site rules. If anyone wants to start a separate topic where they can talk about the ethics of toy reviews, they can.
Emerje
Posted by primalxconvoy on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:48am CDT
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:Will posted it a few weeks to a month ago, I can't find the post. The gist of it is that it's Hasbro's problem and if they aren't doing anything to fix it like getting the channels shut down, asking us not to post the videos or, you know, stopping the leaks out of the factory, all things they're capable of doing, then why should we care? Emerje
They posted what I stated above, or they posted what you said?
Sorry, "it" being the official stance of the site. I found the post from Will, it was in the SS topic on August 15 so nearly two weeks ago.william-james88 wrote:Oh and FYI to anyone who was wondering, official stance on PVP has been stated to staff. Anything you may think is off is for Hasbro to look into it, not us. You can report it to Hasbro and if they tell us to take something down, we will comply. Aside from that, anything news worthy will be posted and proper links and credits will be given. If anyone has issues, they can contact the site owner through the "contact us" link at the top of the site. Any talk concerning this on the boards will be seen as not relevant to the toys and subject at hand, and will be dealt with accordingly to site rules. If anyone wants to start a separate topic where they can talk about the ethics of toy reviews, they can.
Emerje
That's odd, because a site staff member posted the following statement below prior to the message you showed:
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Link: - studio-series-86-discussion-p2140777.php#p2140784
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 28th, 2022 @ 7:16am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on August 28th, 2022 @ 7:27am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah that's because new information was more or less given after I posted that.
Thank you for the clarification.
Posted by CobraKai on August 28th, 2022 @ 9:47am CDT
Posted by Nemesis Destron on August 28th, 2022 @ 12:53pm CDT

To bad Pointblank's 3rd Party counterpart is Masterpiece size.

Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:04pm CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:To bad Pointblank's 3rd Party counterpart is Masterpiece size.
Also ultra rare and ultra expensive.

Posted by Nemesis Primal on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:07pm CDT
Surprised to see him and Skyquake both at retail rather than 1 as an exclusive, hopefully that means that they both have their accurate weapon loadouts.
Posted by sol magnus on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:14pm CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:That's 2 for 2 from Chefatron's recent unpleasant reviews for Pointblank and Burn Out. He definitely convinced me on skipping on both figures leaving more for YOU people.![]()
To bad Pointblank's 3rd Party counterpart is Masterpiece size.
Really? He said the plastic on Burn Out felt 'cheap' next to Skids. Is that even credible? As far as Pointblank he MAY have a point on the plastic, which I'd need to verify myself anyway, he's on about Peacemaker that we know is how he is due to budget. How does he NOT know this?
Posted by william-james88 on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:23pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:Nemesis Destron wrote:That's 2 for 2 from Chefatron's recent unpleasant reviews for Pointblank and Burn Out. He definitely convinced me on skipping on both figures leaving more for YOU people.![]()
To bad Pointblank's 3rd Party counterpart is Masterpiece size.
Really? He said the plastic on Burn Out felt 'cheap' next to Skids. Is that even credible?
I have Burn Out and have 0 issues with that toy. I know cheap plastic when I feel it, that toy is fine.
Posted by sol magnus on August 28th, 2022 @ 1:26pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:sol magnus wrote:Nemesis Destron wrote:That's 2 for 2 from Chefatron's recent unpleasant reviews for Pointblank and Burn Out. He definitely convinced me on skipping on both figures leaving more for YOU people.![]()
To bad Pointblank's 3rd Party counterpart is Masterpiece size.
Really? He said the plastic on Burn Out felt 'cheap' next to Skids. Is that even credible?
I have Burn Out and have 0 issues with that toy. I know cheap plastic when I feel it, that toy is fine.
Of late he's been nitpicky, in my opinion. I commented on his Burn Out review, but I didn't bother on Pointblank.
Posted by Solrac333 on August 28th, 2022 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:01pm CDT
As to allowing the publicization of figure reviews from dodgey sources? Well, in the end that's seibertron's business. Just like it's Hasbro's business if they don't want to prevent leaks and pilfering from their factory floors, in return for some early 'buzz' on their work.
Still - it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of everyone who doesn't have a network of internal spies and thieves in the factories to give them the edge. Like with hacks and cheats in online games, it conveys the bad message: "if you can't beat the cheaters, join 'em".
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:12pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Still - it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of everyone who doesn't have a network of internal spies and thieves in the factories to give them the edge. Like with hacks and cheats in online games, it conveys the bad message: "if you can't beat the cheaters, join 'em".
Or rather "If it's not enforced, it's legal".
Posted by Cyber Bishop on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:17pm CDT
UGH Watching the pointblank video and reading so many people bitch bitch bitch, look they don't have to be making these figures at all, and honestly I hope they stop making them (I know they won't but one can hope) just to shut up so many whiny bitchy fanboys. I love Transformers dearly, they were a HUGE part if what got me through family issues in the 80's and they are one of my passions but to shut others up and make them miserable I would sacrifice something I love to prove that point.
Just be GRATEFUL..
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:20pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:I really don't let reviewers sway my decisions for my purchases, everyone has their opinions, I get what I like.
Same here. I can be influenced, but only if I have some doubts at the very start. Especially when the thing I want is at double or triple the price on the secondary market.
Even then, I often bought "hated" toys that turn out amazing, and other times I bought toys that was deemed the "second coming of Jesus" but I found them to be just "meh" or horrible.
I say reviews are just a guide, not the absolute.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on August 28th, 2022 @ 6:26pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Even then, I often bought "hated" toys that turn out amazing, and other times I bought toys that was deemed the "second coming of Jesus" but I found them to be just "meh" or horrible.
I say reviews are just a guide, not the absolute.
This right here but so many weak minded people or sheeple follow these youtubers like they are some kind of God and their words are gospel.
F-them

Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 28th, 2022 @ 8:23pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Even then, I often bought "hated" toys that turn out amazing, and other times I bought toys that was deemed the "second coming of Jesus" but I found them to be just "meh" or horrible.
I say reviews are just a guide, not the absolute.
This right here but so many weak minded people or sheeple follow these youtubers like they are some kind of God and their words are gospel.
F-them
Studio Series Stinger was the last time I let an outside review truly sway my opinion. It was a mold reviews did not like, but I got it 2 years later and truly loved it, and that was that.
I am still excited for Skullgrin though
Posted by o.supreme on August 28th, 2022 @ 8:36pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:
This right here but so many weak minded people or sheeple follow these youtubers like they are some kind of God and their words are gospel.
F-them
Well...I probably wouldn't quite put it that way, but I agree. Toy reviewers, like critics of any kind, are just sharing an opinion, which anyone can do. I've never been influenced by them.
What's odd is, even to this day, movie and TV critics are still revered for some reason. Sharing an opinion is not a special skill. It's not always the case, but it's often likely that if a critic dosen't like a movie or TV show, then it's something I will like, and Vice Versa.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 28th, 2022 @ 9:09pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Even then, I often bought "hated" toys that turn out amazing, and other times I bought toys that was deemed the "second coming of Jesus" but I found them to be just "meh" or horrible.
I say reviews are just a guide, not the absolute.
This right here but so many weak minded people or sheeple follow these youtubers like they are some kind of God and their words are gospel.
F-them
Studio Series Stinger was the last time I let an outside review truly sway my opinion. It was a mold reviews did not like, but I got it 2 years later and truly loved it, and that was that.
I am still excited for Skullgrin though
Except for me, I'm the king of the fanboys after all.

Posted by sol magnus on August 28th, 2022 @ 9:26pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Boo on soft plastic in general. The only time I can see the excuse of using it is on parts that might get a lot of stress, and need some flexibility to keep them from snapping. But that doesn't seem to be the case with Legacy Skullgrin. None of the parts where they used soft plastic would seem to 'benefit' from it having been used. Especially those weapon accessories. Like Blitzwing's sword, there was no reason to use the rubbery materials, they just went cheap and lazy.
I have Blitzwing, and reviewed him. I didn't notice that he had a 'rubbery' sword, almost would have to be looking for such a thing to notice. it doesn't bend when you put it in his hand...what else might one be doing with it?
As to allowing the publicization of figure reviews from dodgey sources? Well, in the end that's seibertron's business. Just like it's Hasbro's business if they don't want to prevent leaks and pilfering from their factory floors, in return for some early 'buzz' on their work.
Still - it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of everyone who doesn't have a network of internal spies and thieves in the factories to give them the edge. Like with hacks and cheats in online games, it conveys the bad message: "if you can't beat the cheaters, join 'em".
At this point arguing about it is just beating a dead horse. I will get my figures through legit channels and that's all I can control.
Posted by Cyber Bishop on August 28th, 2022 @ 10:08pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Except for me, I'm the king of the fanboys after all.
You are the furthest from a fanboy, fanboys are toxic and literally destroy everything pleasant about whatever they are fans of, this you are not. Just look at what the fanboys have done to Star Wars and other franchises.
You are one of the few youtubers I actually respect and I do watch your videos. Most of the other clowns are attention whores.
Yes I said it, I have dealt with way too many people that claimed to be one way then turned out to be only in it for the attention they get.
o.supreme wrote:Well...I probably wouldn't quite put it that way, but I agree. Toy reviewers, like critics of any kind, are just sharing an opinion, which anyone can do. I've never been influenced by them.
I don't bullshit, I call it like I observe it and unfortunately there are too many mindless people out there who can't form their own conclusions on things and have to rely on others opinions/views to do so.
Posted by primalxconvoy on August 28th, 2022 @ 10:17pm CDT
Posted by Burn on August 28th, 2022 @ 11:04pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Except for me, I'm the king of the fanboys after all.
You're one of the few that actually ENGAGES with the fandom and no just dump your reviews and run like those that infest the video reviews forum.
Posted by blackeyedprime on August 29th, 2022 @ 3:49am CDT

I appreciate this sites photo stills from reviewers so I dont have to watch or give credit to them -and often it might keep the transformation or a little something as a surprise. Having said that I generally dislike most youtubers hahaha but in fairness to some of the major dubious source reviewers I think they have become better at reviews over the years (Tonton/Pvp). Then there is the reviewers that have the ability to grate the wrong way and I'd go out of my way to not see them when even Gifs of their face make me vomit a little.
As for Skullgrin, I'm not keen on the alt mode lump/exposed midsection having to be badly hidden by the swords and lack of a jaw. The impulse not buying was his size compared to the core pretender figures. Having said that with Thunderwing, Skyshadow, Metalhawk and baynus Bludgeon deluxes in my collection gives me a reason to pick him up, at least on sale anyways. Scratch that, I'm just rewatching Guyver and a Zoanoid looking bot has become a buy regardless of my dislikes and the soft plastic.
Posted by Slammer on August 29th, 2022 @ 6:31am CDT
Posted by sol magnus on August 29th, 2022 @ 8:01am CDT
Burn wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Except for me, I'm the king of the fanboys after all.
You're one of the few that actually ENGAGES with the fandom and no just dump your reviews and run like those that infest the video reviews forum.
I totally forgot there was a video review forum.
Posted by o.supreme on August 29th, 2022 @ 9:37am CDT
Yeah. I know it's there, but I mostly ignore it, for the exact reason Burn mentioned. So many YT just want to promote themselves. There are actually 3 or 4 I can think of that are actually active members here who do more than post videos which is nice, and I'll give them active praise.
It's funny also because of the many dozens of toy reviewers I don't subscribe to any of them, but the Algorithm always brings up them up, so I don't really have to search or wonder what they are posting.
Posted by sol magnus on August 29th, 2022 @ 9:42am CDT
o.supreme wrote:[quote="sol]I totally forgot there was a video review forum.[/quote]
Yeah. I know it's there, but I mostly ignore it, for the exact reason Burn mentioned. So many YT just want to promote themselves. There are actually 3 or 4 I can think of that are actually active members here who do more than post videos which is nice, and I'll give them active praise.
It's funny also because of the many dozens of toy reviewers I don't subscribe to any of them, but the Algorithm always brings up them up, so I don't really have to search or wonder what they are posting.[/quote]
I can only speak for myself...I'm a poster first and foremost. I started doing YouTube videos to get ready for my stop motion series I've been quietly working on for years. But - if you're going to do something, try to do it the best you can.
There was mention made of 'self-promotion' and non-engagement. I'm not really that guy. I just love this stuff. Sure, I'd like to have a big audience. I'd like to speak on my creations and the subject of those creations. There aren't a lot of outlets in this hobby - which can be very lonely. We're all social creatures at the end of the day.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:09am CDT
sol magnus wrote:o.supreme wrote:[quote="sol]I totally forgot there was a video review forum.[/quote]
Yeah. I know it's there, but I mostly ignore it, for the exact reason Burn mentioned. So many YT just want to promote themselves. There are actually 3 or 4 I can think of that are actually active members here who do more than post videos which is nice, and I'll give them active praise.
It's funny also because of the many dozens of toy reviewers I don't subscribe to any of them, but the Algorithm always brings up them up, so I don't really have to search or wonder what they are posting.[/quote][/quote]
I can only speak for myself...I'm a poster first and foremost. I started doing YouTube videos to get ready for my stop motion series I've been quietly working on for years. But - if you're going to do something, try to do it the best you can.
There was mention made of 'self-promotion' and non-engagement. I'm not really that guy. I just love this stuff. Sure, I'd like to have a big audience. I'd like to speak on my creations and the subject of those creations. There aren't a lot of outlets in this hobby - which can be very lonely. We're all social creatures at the end of the day.[/quote]
A stop motion series you say, Transformers based?
Posted by sol magnus on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:11am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:o.supreme wrote:[quote="sol]I totally forgot there was a video review forum.[/quote]
Yeah. I know it's there, but I mostly ignore it, for the exact reason Burn mentioned. So many YT just want to promote themselves. There are actually 3 or 4 I can think of that are actually active members here who do more than post videos which is nice, and I'll give them active praise.
It's funny also because of the many dozens of toy reviewers I don't subscribe to any of them, but the Algorithm always brings up them up, so I don't really have to search or wonder what they are posting.[/quote][/quote]
I can only speak for myself...I'm a poster first and foremost. I started doing YouTube videos to get ready for my stop motion series I've been quietly working on for years. But - if you're going to do something, try to do it the best you can.
There was mention made of 'self-promotion' and non-engagement. I'm not really that guy. I just love this stuff. Sure, I'd like to have a big audience. I'd like to speak on my creations and the subject of those creations. There aren't a lot of outlets in this hobby - which can be very lonely. We're all social creatures at the end of the day.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
A stop motion series you say, Transformers based?[/quote]
Yes. Transformers based. Stop Motion. Series. In production (barely lol). But writing has been happening for a year and a half.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:17am CDT

Posted by william-james88 on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:23am CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Still - it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of everyone who doesn't have a network of internal spies and thieves in the factories to give them the edge.
We literally told you exactly the website they get their early figures from, there is nothing hard about it, you just have to spend money. I only want to see a discussion on the legacy toys from here on out. If people want to discuss about getting toys early, please do it in another thread.
Posted by sol magnus on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:25am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Always wanted to try something like that myself but lacked the skills. Good luck with it
Well, part of the reason it's taking so long is developing the skill. But the idea of it encapsulates my philosophy on action figures in general - the highest best use (in my opinion only) is as a vehicle for telling stories. I can't sit around and play with them with my friends anymore, so how do I use them for their 'highest best use?' The series I'm doing is my (exceedingly slow) answer to that question.
Posted by william-james88 on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:30am CDT
And they are: Armada Megatron, Prime Skyquake and Prime Dreadwing
The only new listing is Dreadwing but we wanted to give a big picture of the Leader Class s a whole. There may be package refresh characters as well (meaning repacks of Legacy leaders) to fill out the waves.
Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Prime Skyquake
product Number: F7216
EAN: 5010994207816
Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Armada Megatron
Product Number: F7217
EAN: 5010994207786
Tra Gen Legacy EV leader Prime Dreadwing
EAN: 5010996150387
Posted by G1OptimusPAX on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:36am CDT
Posted by Overcracker on August 29th, 2022 @ 10:57am CDT
william-james88 wrote:While the toys may still be in the production stage, orders are placed a year early. So that means that before the year ends we have a pretty good idea at many of next year's releases even if they won't be officially revealed for a while. For instance, thanks to JT Prime and Mr Chaos which have access to order forms, we know which leader class toys are coming out in the Transformers Legacy line next year.
And they are: Armada Megatron, Prime Skyquake and Prime Dreadwing
The only new listing is Dreadwing but we wanted to give a big picture of the Leader Class s a whole. There may be package refresh characters as well (meaning repacks of Legacy leaders) to fill out the waves.
Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Prime Skyquake
product Number: F7216
EAN: 5010994207816
Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Armada Megatron
Product Number: F7217
EAN: 5010994207786
Tra Gen Legacy EV leader Prime Dreadwing
EAN: 5010996150387
Interesting. Definitely getting Dreadwing. The original Voyager a great looking jet, that I never got but always wanted. Wonder what they can do to G1-ify him. Other than making his head a bit more square, more seeker like.
Armada Megs is still in the Maybe category. Need to see him before I decide.
Posted by o.supreme on August 29th, 2022 @ 11:25am CDT
This would leave more anticipation for the Titan of 2023. Possibly a new Decepticon Nemesis ship with robot mode (Yes I know we have TR Trypticon but c'mon....)

Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on August 29th, 2022 @ 11:55am CDT