Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys
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Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys
This list will be very light on words since all these toys are on this list for very similar reasons. They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too). No crazy undercarriage here. Also, I am using the word "Jet" to encompass sleek modern aircraft which use jet engines. So no cargo planes or Concords.
5. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Terradive who transforms into a forward-swept wing fighter jet based on the Sukhoi Su-47.
This one is here for design. It's pretty cool that this was a new jet design made for the toy and not basing itself on the film aside from a general aesthetic that is combined with a more traditional Transformer look. I really love the originality of having his wings on his legs. It clears his back to give a far sleeker appearance which is perfect for the alt mode.
4. Transformers Prime: First Edition Starscream who transforms into a jet resembling a General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon.
I love this design. It is impressive how the toy designers found a way to convey the very thin character design and yet still have him transform perfectly.
3. Transformers Classics Seeker mold which transform into an F-15 Eagle jet.
This mold is legendary and for good reason. Everything about it is spot on to the G1 show form head to feet. I especially like the coneheads since they end up with no jet kibble behind their heads.
2. Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Mindwipe who transforms into a stealth bomber jet similar to a F-117 Nighthawk.
Now THAT is some toy! He (and his buddy Skystalker) are the reasons why I cannot say nothing good came from the ROTF movie. That toy line was insane. We had Voyager Bludgeon, the legendary Optimus Leader figure (which keeps getting reissued one way or another) and Mindwipe. The alt mode is dead on and translates really well into a robot modernizing the G1 Bat Transformer. There is no excess alt mode kibble in robot mode, no shell, and there are smooth panels. If it weren't for the slight chicken legs, you wouldn't think this has anything to do with the film. So much so that this mold was used for "Classics" Strafe.
1. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Leader Starscream who transforms into an officially licensed Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor fighter jet.
While movie toys are not my favourite, I can't ignore the good ones. There are quite a few and they are so good that they made three of the five entries on this list, including number 1. Leader Starscream made me a believer. I didn't like the wider look Starscream got in the films and I didn't like any of the toys. His hands were either non existent or seen easily in both modes. But this toy converted me. Firstly, the engineers found the perfect way to hide away and integrate his robot legs and arms within the alt mode. Hiding the hands is especially well done. You also get a near perfect jet (which is a very important part of this list) that is almost on the same level as the Masterpiece 03 alt mode (and in Japan, this mold did get a Masterpiece treatment). Unlike the Masterpiece though, the robot mode doesn't seem at odds with the more realistic jet. It is a perfect representation of the movie look come to life and it makes me appreciate it far more by seeing the intricacies of the model and how a robot could indeed be formed from a real life jet.
Honourable Mentions: Of course I won't ignore the Masterpiece Seeker mold. I do prefer how all these toys mentioned accomplish so much with so much less (especially their handling of jet kibble) and at an initially cheaper price point (especially #1, that value was incredible) but I won't deny how beautiful the jet mode is on the masterpiece figures. These toys are also a great example to show the challenge of jet Transformers. If you want a truly perfect alt mode, the robot mode will suffer, as the first batch of Masterpiece seekers revealed. The second had more obvious robot kibble (especially when viewed on the sides) but a much more show accurate robot mode.
Transformers Masterpiece Starscream (MP-11) Gallery
Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys
This list will be very light on words since all these toys are on this list for very similar reasons. They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too). No crazy undercarriage here. Also, I am using the word "Jet" to encompass sleek modern aircraft which use jet engines. So no cargo planes or Concords.
5. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Terradive who transforms into a forward-swept wing fighter jet based on the Sukhoi Su-47.
This one is here for design. It's pretty cool that this was a new jet design made for the toy and not basing itself on the film aside from a general aesthetic that is combined with a more traditional Transformer look. I really love the originality of having his wings on his legs. It clears his back to give a far sleeker appearance which is perfect for the alt mode.
4. Transformers Prime: First Edition Starscream who transforms into a jet resembling a General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon.
I love this design. It is impressive how the toy designers found a way to convey the very thin character design and yet still have him transform perfectly.
3. Transformers Classics Seeker mold which transform into an F-15 Eagle jet.
This mold is legendary and for good reason. Everything about it is spot on to the G1 show form head to feet. I especially like the coneheads since they end up with no jet kibble behind their heads.
2. Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Mindwipe who transforms into a stealth bomber jet similar to a F-117 Nighthawk.
Now THAT is some toy! He (and his buddy Skystalker) are the reasons why I cannot say nothing good came from the ROTF movie. That toy line was insane. We had Voyager Bludgeon, the legendary Optimus Leader figure (which keeps getting reissued one way or another) and Mindwipe. The alt mode is dead on and translates really well into a robot modernizing the G1 Bat Transformer. There is no excess alt mode kibble in robot mode, no shell, and there are smooth panels. If it weren't for the slight chicken legs, you wouldn't think this has anything to do with the film. So much so that this mold was used for "Classics" Strafe.
1. Transformers Hunt For The Decepticons Leader Starscream who transforms into an officially licensed Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor fighter jet.
While movie toys are not my favourite, I can't ignore the good ones. There are quite a few and they are so good that they made three of the five entries on this list, including number 1. Leader Starscream made me a believer. I didn't like the wider look Starscream got in the films and I didn't like any of the toys. His hands were either non existent or seen easily in both modes. But this toy converted me. Firstly, the engineers found the perfect way to hide away and integrate his robot legs and arms within the alt mode. Hiding the hands is especially well done. You also get a near perfect jet (which is a very important part of this list) that is almost on the same level as the Masterpiece 03 alt mode (and in Japan, this mold did get a Masterpiece treatment). Unlike the Masterpiece though, the robot mode doesn't seem at odds with the more realistic jet. It is a perfect representation of the movie look come to life and it makes me appreciate it far more by seeing the intricacies of the model and how a robot could indeed be formed from a real life jet.
Honourable Mentions: Of course I won't ignore the Masterpiece Seeker mold. I do prefer how all these toys mentioned accomplish so much with so much less (especially their handling of jet kibble) and at an initially cheaper price point (especially #1, that value was incredible) but I won't deny how beautiful the jet mode is on the masterpiece figures. These toys are also a great example to show the challenge of jet Transformers. If you want a truly perfect alt mode, the robot mode will suffer, as the first batch of Masterpiece seekers revealed. The second had more obvious robot kibble (especially when viewed on the sides) but a much more show accurate robot mode.
Transformers Masterpiece Starscream (MP-11) Gallery
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Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919928)
Posted by No One on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:29am CDT
Posted by No One on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:29am CDT
I agree with one of your choices only. That is Terradive. The leg wings are great. I like even more that the chest is made of the nosecone pointing upward with the wing-lets. I disagree on your #1 choice because no part of the underside of that craft resembles an F-22. The MP Seeker mold is far superior to this. I wish that ROTF Thrust was on your list because of the sleek underside, built in weapons, and the unique head area. This would have been a far more imposing on screen Starscream. Where is G1 Jetfire?
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Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919929)
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:45am CDT
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:45am CDT
I've never understood the obsession some people have with Movie Starscream, sure, the jet mode is nice, but the robot mode is an ugly piece of shit.
G1 figures rarely appear in these lists. You'll learn to ignore the anti-G1 rhetoric in time.
MR Optimus Prime wrote:Where is G1 Jetfire?
G1 figures rarely appear in these lists. You'll learn to ignore the anti-G1 rhetoric in time.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919936)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:29am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:29am CST
I agree with some of the above comments regarding Breakaway (Thrust) from Hunt for the Decepticons (I think?). He's still one of my favorite jet-formers of late, from the uniqueness of the way the wings fold up and around, and built in weapon.
You may make me get my leader RotF starscream out of storage. I remember thinking he was cool because he was large... but I hated him as "starscream".
It'd be reaching, but what about old G2 cyberjets/skyburners(?) with hooligan and all them. They were simple, but fun.
You may make me get my leader RotF starscream out of storage. I remember thinking he was cool because he was large... but I hated him as "starscream".
It'd be reaching, but what about old G2 cyberjets/skyburners(?) with hooligan and all them. They were simple, but fun.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919940)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:53am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:53am CST
Yes, hell yes Leader Starscream at number 1 
Gorgeous in jet and robot modes (sorry guys I far prefer movie Starscream's look over his G1 form which I was never a fan of though did enjoy Classics Starscream for what it was). I also love the Deluxe DotM figure because despite the much smaller size it does a far better job than any of the Voyagers (in fact I've seen a KO of the deluxe scaled up to voyager size I must get)
And RotF Mindwipe is just pure badassery and I love the convincing fan-made bat form which technically makes him a triple changer.
pics from SMOG at TFW2005
Add his awesome lil buddy Skystalker too and he's just one of the best ever TF figures. I would disagree about no excess kibble cos his wings do stick out a lot on the shoulders (visible wings just sticking out always bugged me about seekers) but they do help with his general awesome look so eh I'll let it slide.
I do have a fondness for RotF Jetfire despite the rather large undercarriage just because of his immense size in jet mode and his rather unique grandad robot mode.
And G1 Jetfire just cos classic and is still the best G1 toy made.
Gorgeous in jet and robot modes (sorry guys I far prefer movie Starscream's look over his G1 form which I was never a fan of though did enjoy Classics Starscream for what it was). I also love the Deluxe DotM figure because despite the much smaller size it does a far better job than any of the Voyagers (in fact I've seen a KO of the deluxe scaled up to voyager size I must get)And RotF Mindwipe is just pure badassery and I love the convincing fan-made bat form which technically makes him a triple changer.
pics from SMOG at TFW2005
Add his awesome lil buddy Skystalker too and he's just one of the best ever TF figures.
I would disagree about no excess kibble cos his wings do stick out a lot on the shoulders (visible wings just sticking out always bugged me about seekers) but they do help with his general awesome look so eh I'll let it slide. I do have a fondness for RotF Jetfire despite the rather large undercarriage just because of his immense size in jet mode and his rather unique grandad robot mode.
And G1 Jetfire just cos classic and is still the best G1 toy made.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919942)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:16am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:16am CST
The one thing that's always bothered me about G1 Jetfire (as much as I love him) is that... it's really not fair comparing him to the rest of the G1 toys (diaclone line). Similar to how Whirl and Roadbuster are from separate lines, that got "brought into" the family.
Add to that the G1 cartoon Skyfire... was nothing like the Jetfire toy. I'm still not sure to-date we've had a representation of Skyfire in his G1 mode? (I think there was a war-within titanium?).
Add to that the G1 cartoon Skyfire... was nothing like the Jetfire toy. I'm still not sure to-date we've had a representation of Skyfire in his G1 mode? (I think there was a war-within titanium?).
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919943)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:19am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:19am CST
I also have to give the Generations Windblade credit. She's may be pain to balance in robot mode, but she gets big points for a unique jet-mode. I also like how each of her iterative releases (RiD and Titan's Return) play around with that transformation in different ways.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919944)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:20am CST
Maybe Hasbro think it wouldn't sell cos it's just too darn boxy. Even back then I knew why Jetfire/Skyfire couldn't look like the toy but I still thought they could have designed something better than the overly boxy thing they came up with
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:20am CST
SpikeyTigertron wrote:The one thing that's always bothered me about G1 Jetfire (as much as I love him) is that... it's really not fair comparing him to the rest of the G1 toys (diaclone line). Similar to how Whirl and Roadbuster are from separate lines, that got "brought into" the family.
Add to that the G1 cartoon Skyfire... was nothing like the Jetfire toy. I'm still not sure to-date we've had a representation of Skyfire in his G1 mode? (I think there was a war-within titanium?).
Maybe Hasbro think it wouldn't sell cos it's just too darn boxy. Even back then I knew why Jetfire/Skyfire couldn't look like the toy but I still thought they could have designed something better than the overly boxy thing they came up with
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919945)
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:52am CST
jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:52am CST
Carnivius_Prime wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:The one thing that's always bothered me about G1 Jetfire (as much as I love him) is that... it's really not fair comparing him to the rest of the G1 toys (diaclone line). Similar to how Whirl and Roadbuster are from separate lines, that got "brought into" the family.
Add to that the G1 cartoon Skyfire... was nothing like the Jetfire toy. I'm still not sure to-date we've had a representation of Skyfire in his G1 mode? (I think there was a war-within titanium?).
Maybe Hasbro think it wouldn't sell cos it's just too darn boxy. Even back then I knew why Jetfire/Skyfire couldn't look like the toy but I still thought they could have designed something better than the overly boxy thing they came up with
jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919953)
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 3:50am CST
Is the list based solely on "real" jets though? It doesn't explicitly say that.
Otherwise, ENERGON STARSCREAM FTW!
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 3:50am CST
Ultra Markus wrote:jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Is the list based solely on "real" jets though? It doesn't explicitly say that.
Otherwise, ENERGON STARSCREAM FTW!
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919956)
Posted by WreckerJack on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:42am CST
Posted by WreckerJack on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:42am CST
*Rubs chin*
Hmm... I suddenly need more fliers in my collection.
Hmm... I suddenly need more fliers in my collection.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919959)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:48am CST
how could I forget about Skyquake and and Dreadwing. Those guys (even their legion commanders) were fun!
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:48am CST
how could I forget about Skyquake and and Dreadwing. Those guys (even their legion commanders) were fun!
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919960)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:50am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 5th, 2017 @ 4:50am CST
http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/tra ... yscorchers "skyscorchers" those were the guys I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure some of them are based of "real modern jets".
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919962)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 5:48am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 5:48am CST
While HFTD Leader Starscream is an incredible toy, the jet have too much of an undercarriage to be #1. I mean, it's way too thick and square under. Unfortunately, same thing for Terradive and Mindwipe. If those qualify, TLK Megatron should have been on the list. Either the voyager or the leader. As well as TLK Nitro.
The good old classic seeker mold should have been #1. Simply because the bot modes are so G1 accurate and the only true undercarriage is just the square chest.
One that should definitely have replace a movie figure on the list is Classic deluxe Cyclonus. Not only the bot mode is perfect with barely any kibbles, the jet is PERFECT with absolutely no robot parts obvious. Even from underneath.
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
The good old classic seeker mold should have been #1. Simply because the bot modes are so G1 accurate and the only true undercarriage is just the square chest.
One that should definitely have replace a movie figure on the list is Classic deluxe Cyclonus. Not only the bot mode is perfect with barely any kibbles, the jet is PERFECT with absolutely no robot parts obvious. Even from underneath.
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Transformers Henkei Cyclonus Gallery
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919964)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 7:34am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2017 @ 7:34am CST
Cyclonus doesn't turn into a realistic jet. And that's clearly his distinctive chest and legs showing underneath. He basically just stretches out and turns his head to change into robot 
(and it's not perfect... I hated that damn gap between the legs in alt-mode.)
(and it's not perfect... I hated that damn gap between the legs in alt-mode.
)
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919971)
Posted by Blozor on November 5th, 2017 @ 8:44am CST
Posted by Blozor on November 5th, 2017 @ 8:44am CST
TF: Prime Soundwave should have made the list. The Predator Drone alt-mode to cartoon-accurate robot mode was in league with Prime Starscream, and unlike the F-16, I don't believe a Predator Drone alt-mode had been attempted before.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919973)
Posted by dragons on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:27am CST
Posted by dragons on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:27am CST
Always like classic figures seekers use megatron bomber jet I like good jet mode unless you flip it upside down bot mode was decent for deluxe figure
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919975)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:38am CST
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:38am CST
My HFTD Starscream ended up breaking at the waist, separating his legs from his torso. Funny enough, his upper torso by itself is able to form a complete (and actually better looking) jet mode.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919976)
Posted by shajaki on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:49am CST
Posted by shajaki on November 5th, 2017 @ 9:49am CST
Oooooooookay..... I love your lists Will... but MP-3 (or MP-11) ONLY being an honorable mention? Bro, there are no other jetformers that pull off a better (or more realistic) jet mode than the MP's.
I also think the G1 should be up there too
I also think the G1 should be up there too
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919977)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 10:08am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 10:08am CST
Saj.
MP-03 don't count because those hips kibbles make the purists go into seizures and foam at they mouth.
Seriously, MP-03 SHOULD have been #1.
MP-03 don't count because those hips kibbles make the purists go into seizures and foam at they mouth.
Seriously, MP-03 SHOULD have been #1.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919981)
Posted by kurthy on November 5th, 2017 @ 10:30am CST
This is an easy list to make because so few jets have ever had good alt modes. If this was expanded to a top 10 you'd be close to including g1 Fireflight. The only change I'd make is to replace the classic seeker mold with the original mp-03 mold. That classics mold is just too thick and blocky in jet mode.
I don't like movie toys in general, but they fit the list better than most. I love the prime mold and classics, but I think the classics mold shouldn't be on this highly specific list.
Posted by kurthy on November 5th, 2017 @ 10:30am CST
They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too). No crazy undercarriage here. Also, I am using the word "Jet" to encompass sleek modern aircraft which use jet engines. So no cargo planes or Concords.
This is an easy list to make because so few jets have ever had good alt modes. If this was expanded to a top 10 you'd be close to including g1 Fireflight. The only change I'd make is to replace the classic seeker mold with the original mp-03 mold. That classics mold is just too thick and blocky in jet mode.
I don't like movie toys in general, but they fit the list better than most. I love the prime mold and classics, but I think the classics mold shouldn't be on this highly specific list.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919989)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2017 @ 11:21am CST
It doesnt?
I mean, sure we can include non real jets and talk about them here, but I thought it was easy to stick to real jets in the actual list so that there was an equal playing field and to narrow things down. We can all be finicky so I thought an easy way to define a jet was that we knew it had a jet engine and real jets do so thats what I went with. Plus, it being a realistic jet makes it harder on the designer to fit stuff properly while also being convincing, so I found that scored more points.
TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing are really cool in robot mode but have too much undercarriage in jet mode to me. I find the cyberverse versions better at that part. Awesome toy none the less and just drop dead gorgeous in robot mode.
This is about the best TF jet transformers not just about their alt modes. if it was, sure number 1 would go to the MP, but we all know that, its not very subjective. What makes this interesting is that we look at both modes. What has a killer jet mode but is also an incredible TF in robot mode? That becomes tricker. I found these worked best for that.
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2017 @ 11:21am CST
Burn wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Is the list based solely on "real" jets though? It doesn't explicitly say that.
It doesnt?
They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too).
I mean, sure we can include non real jets and talk about them here, but I thought it was easy to stick to real jets in the actual list so that there was an equal playing field and to narrow things down. We can all be finicky so I thought an easy way to define a jet was that we knew it had a jet engine and real jets do so thats what I went with. Plus, it being a realistic jet makes it harder on the designer to fit stuff properly while also being convincing, so I found that scored more points.
TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing are really cool in robot mode but have too much undercarriage in jet mode to me. I find the cyberverse versions better at that part. Awesome toy none the less and just drop dead gorgeous in robot mode.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Saj.
MP-03 don't count because those hips kibbles make the purists go into seizures and foam at they mouth.
Seriously, MP-03 SHOULD have been #1.
This is about the best TF jet transformers not just about their alt modes. if it was, sure number 1 would go to the MP, but we all know that, its not very subjective. What makes this interesting is that we look at both modes. What has a killer jet mode but is also an incredible TF in robot mode? That becomes tricker. I found these worked best for that.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919994)
Posted by Evil Eye on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:36pm CST
Posted by Evil Eye on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:36pm CST
Oooh, jets! Now this is a list I can wax lyrical about.
Terradive is a gorgeous looking figure, I don't own him myself but he is a lovely, lovely toy. Unique robot mode design, nice colours and a really cool jet mode based on a really cool jet.
Prime Starscream is a cool figure, but he loses a few brownie points for me because the jet mode, sleek and sexy though it is, just doesn't look right to me somehow. I'd be tempted to put Soundwave on instead with his drone mode (technically he's a Global Hawk, incidentally- the Predator and Reaper are propeller powered) and general uniqueness, but that's just me.
The Classics Seeker mold...eh. I have to disagree. The jet mode is delightful, yes, but the MP beats it in that area and the robot mode...I dunno, I never liked the robot mode of that mold. Too stumpy and inarticulate for my liking. That said I've never actually handled it so I can't really comment, though I ordered a Henkei Ghost Starscream from Mandarake (actually a chrimbo present for my mum as she finds the idea of Ghost Starscream hilarious) so when that arrives I can finally give a proper verdict.
Mindwipe, yes! What a figure. Amazing jet mode, and dear lord that robot mode is incredible. Now I need to find a Skystalker though...
HFTD Starscream, whilst I'm not a fan of Dorito-Scream, is a work of engineering art. Movie Screamer is a hard design to get right, and knocking it out the park like that and THEN absolutely nailing the F-22 mode (which is a feat with any Transformer as the F-22 is a very flat, slim aircraft) is impressive in the extreme.
I feel MP-03 should have been on the list rather than an honourable mention, but that's just me. I say MP-03 because he holds together better than MP-11 and has a better jet mode.
Some other honourable mentions...
>Movie Dreadwing. A very unique robot mode, and a really, really nice MiG-29 altmode.
>The Cyberjets. Old, for sure, but amazing little figures that fold up into infinitely swooshable little jets. I need to get myself some...
>Energon Terradive/Sky Shadow. A really creative transformation, a cool robot mode and transforms into a really nice A-10 Thunderbolt II.
>ROTF Highbrow/GDO Powerdive/Whatever version of that mold you have. Sure he's not actually a jet, but he is an aircraft (and I don't think there's enough other good TFs that turn into propeller-driven planes for a whole list- only other one I can think of is ROTF Ransack) and a damn fine one too. Whilst not entirely accurate to the P-38 Lightning, it's obvious that's what it's trying to be and it looks stunning.
Terradive is a gorgeous looking figure, I don't own him myself but he is a lovely, lovely toy. Unique robot mode design, nice colours and a really cool jet mode based on a really cool jet.
Prime Starscream is a cool figure, but he loses a few brownie points for me because the jet mode, sleek and sexy though it is, just doesn't look right to me somehow. I'd be tempted to put Soundwave on instead with his drone mode (technically he's a Global Hawk, incidentally- the Predator and Reaper are propeller powered) and general uniqueness, but that's just me.
The Classics Seeker mold...eh. I have to disagree. The jet mode is delightful, yes, but the MP beats it in that area and the robot mode...I dunno, I never liked the robot mode of that mold. Too stumpy and inarticulate for my liking. That said I've never actually handled it so I can't really comment, though I ordered a Henkei Ghost Starscream from Mandarake (actually a chrimbo present for my mum as she finds the idea of Ghost Starscream hilarious) so when that arrives I can finally give a proper verdict.
Mindwipe, yes! What a figure. Amazing jet mode, and dear lord that robot mode is incredible. Now I need to find a Skystalker though...
HFTD Starscream, whilst I'm not a fan of Dorito-Scream, is a work of engineering art. Movie Screamer is a hard design to get right, and knocking it out the park like that and THEN absolutely nailing the F-22 mode (which is a feat with any Transformer as the F-22 is a very flat, slim aircraft) is impressive in the extreme.
I feel MP-03 should have been on the list rather than an honourable mention, but that's just me. I say MP-03 because he holds together better than MP-11 and has a better jet mode.
Some other honourable mentions...
>Movie Dreadwing. A very unique robot mode, and a really, really nice MiG-29 altmode.
>The Cyberjets. Old, for sure, but amazing little figures that fold up into infinitely swooshable little jets. I need to get myself some...
>Energon Terradive/Sky Shadow. A really creative transformation, a cool robot mode and transforms into a really nice A-10 Thunderbolt II.
>ROTF Highbrow/GDO Powerdive/Whatever version of that mold you have. Sure he's not actually a jet, but he is an aircraft (and I don't think there's enough other good TFs that turn into propeller-driven planes for a whole list- only other one I can think of is ROTF Ransack) and a damn fine one too. Whilst not entirely accurate to the P-38 Lightning, it's obvious that's what it's trying to be and it looks stunning.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919995)
Posted by Windsweeper on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:37pm CST
Posted by Windsweeper on November 5th, 2017 @ 12:37pm CST
I would definitely have placed the G1 Seeker mold at the top of the list.
The Classics mold had a terrible jet mode. Looked and felt like a ko to me.
The Classics mold had a terrible jet mode. Looked and felt like a ko to me.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1919999)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:00pm CST
It's a bit sad that the hips kibble is such a dealbreaker for so many. But eh, I admit they kinda defeat the purpose of being a "Masterpiece". Still, considering the TOY itself, it's the very best seeker mold. For the perfect jet AND the perfect QC. Sigh... there's still the issue that MP-03 is not the most user friendly because if one force thing the wrong way just slightly...
So, MP-03 may be not #1, but it should have replaced ROTF Midwipe IMO. Because under that jet, it's a worse mess than even Terradive.
Also, if it weren't for those stupid hands popping off the back of the jet and the robot elbows bending the wrong way, ROTF Starscream could have been #1. So close to being perfect but two pretty (late in French) design choices made it garbage. I HATE that mold with a passion so much for that reason.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:00pm CST
william-james88 wrote:This is about the best TF jet transformers not just about their alt modes. if it was, sure number 1 would go to the MP, but we all know that, its not very subjective. What makes this interesting is that we look at both modes. What has a killer jet mode but is also an incredible TF in robot mode? That becomes tricker. I found these worked best for that.
It's a bit sad that the hips kibble is such a dealbreaker for so many. But eh, I admit they kinda defeat the purpose of being a "Masterpiece". Still, considering the TOY itself, it's the very best seeker mold. For the perfect jet AND the perfect QC. Sigh... there's still the issue that MP-03 is not the most user friendly because if one force thing the wrong way just slightly...
So, MP-03 may be not #1, but it should have replaced ROTF Midwipe IMO. Because under that jet, it's a worse mess than even Terradive.
Also, if it weren't for those stupid hands popping off the back of the jet and the robot elbows bending the wrong way, ROTF Starscream could have been #1. So close to being perfect but two pretty (late in French) design choices made it garbage. I HATE that mold with a passion so much for that reason.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920005)
Posted by TK415 on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:19pm CST
Posted by TK415 on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:19pm CST
Cool list. Great jet modes. Thanks for the real life comparison pictures. Thanks WJ.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920010)
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:53pm CST
No, it doesn't.
Putting it in bold doesn't help. You put it in brackets, to me, that's an after thought.
Read what I said, "it doesn't explicitly say that". All you say about this list is that it's the "Top 5 Best Jet Transformers". You haven't clearly defined what a "jet" is to meet your list.
So as I said, ENERGON STARSCREAM FTW.
Posted by Burn on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:53pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Is the list based solely on "real" jets though? It doesn't explicitly say that.
It doesnt?They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too).
No, it doesn't.
Putting it in bold doesn't help. You put it in brackets, to me, that's an after thought.
Read what I said, "it doesn't explicitly say that". All you say about this list is that it's the "Top 5 Best Jet Transformers". You haven't clearly defined what a "jet" is to meet your list.
So as I said, ENERGON STARSCREAM FTW.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920011)
Posted by Evil Eye on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:54pm CST
Posted by Evil Eye on November 5th, 2017 @ 1:54pm CST
Well Energon Starscream is based on an F-22, so he still counts.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920013)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:02pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 5th, 2017 @ 2:02pm CST
I only have one figure to add, not surprisingly it's a movie figure:
Revenge of the Fallen Dirge
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Dirge Gallery
He may have a lot of random kibble in robot mode, resulting in him looking messy, but he is one of the very jets to have pulled off a vehicle mode without a lot of undercarriage junk or robot parts in plain sight:
As for the jet mode's inspiration, the front with the intakes is evocative of a Harrier Jump Jet (from the shape of the cockpit, the AV-8B) while the back I can't really determine:
:EDIT: No love for G1 Powerglide and the A10 Thunderbolt II?
Revenge of the Fallen Dirge
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Dirge Gallery
He may have a lot of random kibble in robot mode, resulting in him looking messy, but he is one of the very jets to have pulled off a vehicle mode without a lot of undercarriage junk or robot parts in plain sight:
As for the jet mode's inspiration, the front with the intakes is evocative of a Harrier Jump Jet (from the shape of the cockpit, the AV-8B) while the back I can't really determine:
:EDIT: No love for G1 Powerglide and the A10 Thunderbolt II?
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920065)
Posted by Starscream on November 5th, 2017 @ 8:51pm CST
Posted by Starscream on November 5th, 2017 @ 8:51pm CST
Terradive should've been NUMBAH WHONNN!!!!!
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920129)
Posted by thesiege_2005 on November 6th, 2017 @ 6:13am CST
Posted by thesiege_2005 on November 6th, 2017 @ 6:13am CST
I was always partial to the oft-forgotten Robotmasters seeker mold over the Classics mold, at least in terms of the jet mode. It has proper landing gear and the cockpit actually opens, and the proportions are sleeker and closer to an F-15 and G1.
The Classics robot mode is a little better but it takes a lot of cues from RM. The RM mold is a nice in-between from G1 to Classics. It keeps much of the transformation of G1 but overcomes its partsformer limitations. Classics just kept up the same philosophy but made it bulkier and boxier. And the null-ray cannons on Classics are way too big IMO - not just the rounded ends but the launcher part itself.
Agree with other posters that MP mold should be #1. I suppose it depends on whether the goal of the post is to list "best TFs overall who turn into jets" or "TFs with the best jet modes". (Though either way MP is pretty good, though not perfect.)
The Classics robot mode is a little better but it takes a lot of cues from RM. The RM mold is a nice in-between from G1 to Classics. It keeps much of the transformation of G1 but overcomes its partsformer limitations. Classics just kept up the same philosophy but made it bulkier and boxier. And the null-ray cannons on Classics are way too big IMO - not just the rounded ends but the launcher part itself.
Agree with other posters that MP mold should be #1. I suppose it depends on whether the goal of the post is to list "best TFs overall who turn into jets" or "TFs with the best jet modes". (Though either way MP is pretty good, though not perfect.)
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920166)
Posted by paul053 on November 6th, 2017 @ 10:01am CST
I think if we add none realistic jets in to discussion, the list will explode.
I like to throw in a few. Cybertron Sideways and TR Triggerhappy.
Posted by paul053 on November 6th, 2017 @ 10:01am CST
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:jetfire wouldnt be on the list because hes not based on a real jet
but maybe TF prime Skyquake/Dreadwing could be since they appear to be based off real jets
Is the list based solely on "real" jets though? It doesn't explicitly say that.
It doesnt?They all distinguish themselves in either their accuracy, engineering or design. And most of all, these jets look amazing in robot mode and have a very tight alt mode, which is crucial in a jet transformer (all these are based on real jets too).
No, it doesn't.
Putting it in bold doesn't help. You put it in brackets, to me, that's an after thought.
Read what I said, "it doesn't explicitly say that". All you say about this list is that it's the "Top 5 Best Jet Transformers". You haven't clearly defined what a "jet" is to meet your list.
So as I said, ENERGON STARSCREAM FTW.
I think if we add none realistic jets in to discussion, the list will explode.
I like to throw in a few. Cybertron Sideways and TR Triggerhappy.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920204)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 6th, 2017 @ 12:02pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 6th, 2017 @ 12:02pm CST
Having obtained Botcon Depthcharge from Terradive this weekend, I fully agree with that listing. That mold is dead awesome, makes a great jet, and is very unique. I love it.
The way Nitro folds up, his underside really doesn't look that much like kibble, unless you go looking for it. So he is pretty good there too. And his bot mode is awesome.
The way Nitro folds up, his underside really doesn't look that much like kibble, unless you go looking for it. So he is pretty good there too. And his bot mode is awesome.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920240)
Posted by DarkEnergon on November 6th, 2017 @ 2:45pm CST
Posted by DarkEnergon on November 6th, 2017 @ 2:45pm CST
What a great an easily forgotten toy. Pretty sure this is technically a jet!
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920257)
Posted by Yet.Another.Autobot on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:18pm CST
Posted by Yet.Another.Autobot on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:18pm CST
I am now asking if anyone else has even thought about Thrilling 30s Megatron as the B-2 Stealth Bomber, even as an Honorable Mention?
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920259)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:27pm CST
Technically the toy represents a jet-powered craft for sure, but the vehicle mode itself is based more on WWII Bomber planes, which had propellers.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:27pm CST
DarkEnergon wrote:What a great an easily forgotten toy. Pretty sure this is technically a jet!
Technically the toy represents a jet-powered craft for sure, but the vehicle mode itself is based more on WWII Bomber planes, which had propellers.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920270)
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:55pm CST
Forgot about that one and the g2 dreading version both have great robot modes and a jet mode
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 6th, 2017 @ 3:55pm CST
Yet.Another.Autobot wrote:I am now asking if anyone else has even thought about Thrilling 30s Megatron as the B-2 Stealth Bomber, even as an Honorable Mention?
Forgot about that one and the g2 dreading version both have great robot modes and a jet mode
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920359)
Posted by Microraptor on November 7th, 2017 @ 8:21am CST
Because people have different opinions? I like the design at least, and this post has more to do with the engineering anyway.
Posted by Microraptor on November 7th, 2017 @ 8:21am CST
Burn wrote:I've never understood the obsession some people have with Movie Starscream, sure, the jet mode is nice, but the robot mode is an ugly piece of ****.
Because people have different opinions? I like the design at least, and this post has more to do with the engineering anyway.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920499)
Posted by Aimless Misfire on November 7th, 2017 @ 9:14pm CST
Posted by Aimless Misfire on November 7th, 2017 @ 9:14pm CST
TLK Nitro has to be on the list. One of the best Transformers in years.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920501)
Posted by shajaki on November 7th, 2017 @ 9:20pm CST
I love the design, and the figures are great. I like him best in the first movie, every scene he's in still gives me goosbumps. In subsequent films, for some reason they decided to make him into the sniveling coward he was in G1
Posted by shajaki on November 7th, 2017 @ 9:20pm CST
BAYSCREAM FANBOYS UNITEMicroraptor wrote:Because people have different opinions? I like the design at least, and this post has more to do with the engineering anyway.Burn wrote:I've never understood the obsession some people have with Movie Starscream, sure, the jet mode is nice, but the robot mode is an ugly piece of ****.
I love the design, and the figures are great. I like him best in the first movie, every scene he's in still gives me goosbumps. In subsequent films, for some reason they decided to make him into the sniveling coward he was in G1
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920681)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 9th, 2017 @ 6:38am CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 9th, 2017 @ 6:38am CST
My favorite jet molds, in no particular order:
TLK Leader Megatron
HFTD Starscream
Armada Starscream/Thundercracker
Prime 1st Edition Starscream
Combiner Wars Leader Screamer/Cracker/Warper
Honorable mentions:
RoTF Leader Jetfire (Only because I'm a sucker for the Blackbird, and I like the look of the Optimus/Jetfire combo. The robot mode, while accurate, is repulsive.)
Thrilling 30 Deluxe Megatron/G2 Dreadwing/TLK Deluxe Megatron
TLK Leader Megatron
HFTD Starscream
Armada Starscream/Thundercracker
Prime 1st Edition Starscream
Combiner Wars Leader Screamer/Cracker/Warper
Honorable mentions:
RoTF Leader Jetfire (Only because I'm a sucker for the Blackbird, and I like the look of the Optimus/Jetfire combo. The robot mode, while accurate, is repulsive.)
Thrilling 30 Deluxe Megatron/G2 Dreadwing/TLK Deluxe Megatron
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920761)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 9th, 2017 @ 5:42pm CST
Back in my early collecting days, I hated Movie Starscream Doritos-n-chicken appearance. Then I gave the HFTD leader a chance because it was on sale on Boxing Day for 40SCAN.
The rest is History.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 9th, 2017 @ 5:42pm CST
shajaki wrote:BAYSCREAM FANBOYS UNITEMicroraptor wrote:Because people have different opinions? I like the design at least, and this post has more to do with the engineering anyway.Burn wrote:I've never understood the obsession some people have with Movie Starscream, sure, the jet mode is nice, but the robot mode is an ugly piece of ****.
I love the design, and the figures are great. I like him best in the first movie, every scene he's in still gives me goosbumps. In subsequent films, for some reason they decided to make him into the sniveling coward he was in G1
Back in my early collecting days, I hated Movie Starscream Doritos-n-chicken appearance. Then I gave the HFTD leader a chance because it was on sale on Boxing Day for 40SCAN.
The rest is History.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920847)
Posted by Insurgent on November 10th, 2017 @ 10:39am CST
Posted by Insurgent on November 10th, 2017 @ 10:39am CST
I agree that MP03 should be top of the list. You say it should have a great robot mode? That robot mode is great. Oh boo hoo, he has some hip holster things. It doesn't detract from the figure, but instead gives it a unique look and dynamic. It's only an issue if you demand screen accuracy, but I don't think that should be a criteria for good jet toys. The MP seeker mould, original version, has a flawless jet mode. No kibble in robot mode except the hip skirts. Has lots of fun little things in it like the nose cone radar, the changing face, the flaps and has some nice real world markings like No Step and Beware of Jet Blast. It has a flight stand it clips onto steady so it can pull off in flight poses and the robot mode is expressive. The only real negative (other than the hip kibble which, like I said, shouldn't be a factor on this list for screen accuracy) is the hips don't swing out wide. Standing issues? I had an MP screamer stood on his shelf by himself for years without falling over. Just use his thrusters angled backwards for heels.
So yeah. If you are talking purely about good toys, the original seeker mould should get it. Specifically, the original green release. Because while the remoulded MP11 version is a better MP and is more screen accurate, the jet mode suffers slightly in the rear, meaning it is a slightly inferior jet toy.
But there are some great choices on this list.
So yeah. If you are talking purely about good toys, the original seeker mould should get it. Specifically, the original green release. Because while the remoulded MP11 version is a better MP and is more screen accurate, the jet mode suffers slightly in the rear, meaning it is a slightly inferior jet toy.
But there are some great choices on this list.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920918)
Posted by william-james88 on November 10th, 2017 @ 11:38pm CST
I have a question for you. Of all the toys mentioned on the list, including MP 03, which feels more dated? Which would you recomend to newcomers in the hobby, people who want to collect what they might have missed out on in the past?
Because I really feel MP 03 is not a great toy. He is super fiddly, not fun to transform. And any Takara release was pretty pricey. Especially the remolded MP 11. I think it has terrible value for what you get, especially compared to other MPs like Ironhide. Its just not a toy i would recomend to anyone. My opinion of course.
And I know you were talking about MP03, which does have a great jet mode. But I dont like the robot mode much. I think he looks off, with the feet, lack of decent heels, the receded head. And while I am not a fan of the dangling hip kibble, which I dont think looks good regardless of screen accuracy or not (feels super lazy to me), the kibble I dislike the most are those 2 jet panel kibbles on the side of his air vents next to his head. They just sit there adding nothing to the robot mode aside from breaking up the profile/outline of the robot. And they are a real bitch when transforming, always popping off.
Transformers Masterpiece Starscream (MP-03) Gallery
I truly feel the MP seeker (andy version) is one of the most overrated TF toys out there. And I was not the only one to think so.
Posted by william-james88 on November 10th, 2017 @ 11:38pm CST
Insurgent wrote:So yeah. If you are talking purely about good toys, the original seeker mould should get it. Specifically, the original green release. Because while the remoulded MP11 version is a better MP and is more screen accurate, the jet mode suffers slightly in the rear, meaning it is a slightly inferior jet toy.
But there are some great choices on this list.
I have a question for you. Of all the toys mentioned on the list, including MP 03, which feels more dated? Which would you recomend to newcomers in the hobby, people who want to collect what they might have missed out on in the past?
Because I really feel MP 03 is not a great toy. He is super fiddly, not fun to transform. And any Takara release was pretty pricey. Especially the remolded MP 11. I think it has terrible value for what you get, especially compared to other MPs like Ironhide. Its just not a toy i would recomend to anyone. My opinion of course.
And I know you were talking about MP03, which does have a great jet mode. But I dont like the robot mode much. I think he looks off, with the feet, lack of decent heels, the receded head. And while I am not a fan of the dangling hip kibble, which I dont think looks good regardless of screen accuracy or not (feels super lazy to me), the kibble I dislike the most are those 2 jet panel kibbles on the side of his air vents next to his head. They just sit there adding nothing to the robot mode aside from breaking up the profile/outline of the robot. And they are a real bitch when transforming, always popping off.
Transformers Masterpiece Starscream (MP-03) Gallery
I truly feel the MP seeker (andy version) is one of the most overrated TF toys out there. And I was not the only one to think so.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920945)
Posted by Insurgent on November 11th, 2017 @ 4:35am CST
Posted by Insurgent on November 11th, 2017 @ 4:35am CST
Value for money is not something i factored in. Because that's out of the toys hands. It was all about the physicality of the figure. I honestly don't think it's that fiddly of a transformation, just really involved and don't get me wrong, im not saying it's perfect, i acknowledged it has flaws.
All those visual cues you mention i honestly don't find th same. Feet look fine, heels i use his thrusters angled back and the head feels like it's the perfect spot. Any further forward and i think it would look stupid. Of course this is all opinion so we wilp never agree and that's fine. I understand where you are coming from and why you think the way you do. And yes, the hip skirts can be seen as lazy but i honestly don't mind. And those bits on his vents add some beefiness to him, looks a little muscular. If there were other criteria at play, i might not put the mp seeker top. But going off realistic alt mode with no kibble, transformation, and looking great in all modes, i got to give it to this.
As for your question, no i wouldn't recommended this for a first timer. I would recomend a scout sized figure. Not an mp. Deluxe at most. That doesn't mean they are better figures, that means they are a lot cheaper and provide an easier introduction. After all, when learning to cook, you start with something simple like mash poato and work up to the gourmet stuff.
Looking at the list again, i also realise the only moulds on that list I've got are terradive and classic seekers. And looking at the leader screamer gallery, it's underside is a lot cleaner than i thought it was. So maybe that does get one as i imagine it's very durable and mp03 gets second spot.
All those visual cues you mention i honestly don't find th same. Feet look fine, heels i use his thrusters angled back and the head feels like it's the perfect spot. Any further forward and i think it would look stupid. Of course this is all opinion so we wilp never agree and that's fine. I understand where you are coming from and why you think the way you do. And yes, the hip skirts can be seen as lazy but i honestly don't mind. And those bits on his vents add some beefiness to him, looks a little muscular. If there were other criteria at play, i might not put the mp seeker top. But going off realistic alt mode with no kibble, transformation, and looking great in all modes, i got to give it to this.
As for your question, no i wouldn't recommended this for a first timer. I would recomend a scout sized figure. Not an mp. Deluxe at most. That doesn't mean they are better figures, that means they are a lot cheaper and provide an easier introduction. After all, when learning to cook, you start with something simple like mash poato and work up to the gourmet stuff.
Looking at the list again, i also realise the only moulds on that list I've got are terradive and classic seekers. And looking at the leader screamer gallery, it's underside is a lot cleaner than i thought it was. So maybe that does get one as i imagine it's very durable and mp03 gets second spot.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920954)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 11th, 2017 @ 7:21am CST
I feel that way too. Especially after MP-11 betrayed me with it's absurd price for a figure that fell as cheap as a regular 50$ leader. The MP seeker mold should be redone ENTIRELY. For now, KO and 3P companies are doing that, but I don't want HASTAK to do it yet. Way too much characters need to finally have the official MP treatment.
As for the best jet toy for a newcomer or a child? Definitely any one of the classic deluxe seeker mold. That toy is simply perfect, with a great jet mode and an amazing robot mode. Plus, an easy and fun transformation.
Even my friend who only love land vehicles and is extremely critical about jet-formers bought a few of the classic seekers. This tell a lot.
The classic deluxe seeker mold may not be the #1 jet, but it's the definitive #1 toy.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 11th, 2017 @ 7:21am CST
william-james88 wrote:I truly feel the MP seeker (andy version) is one of the most overrated TF toys out there. And I was not the only one to think so.
I feel that way too. Especially after MP-11 betrayed me with it's absurd price for a figure that fell as cheap as a regular 50$ leader. The MP seeker mold should be redone ENTIRELY. For now, KO and 3P companies are doing that, but I don't want HASTAK to do it yet. Way too much characters need to finally have the official MP treatment.
As for the best jet toy for a newcomer or a child? Definitely any one of the classic deluxe seeker mold. That toy is simply perfect, with a great jet mode and an amazing robot mode. Plus, an easy and fun transformation.
Even my friend who only love land vehicles and is extremely critical about jet-formers bought a few of the classic seekers. This tell a lot.
The classic deluxe seeker mold may not be the #1 jet, but it's the definitive #1 toy.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1920975)
Posted by shajaki on November 11th, 2017 @ 11:03am CST
But hey! It's all opinion Will, and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just have a huge love on for MP-3 Starscream, and I'll fight for him any day
Posted by shajaki on November 11th, 2017 @ 11:03am CST
This might sound odd, but I don't find MP-03 dated. But I do find the MP-11 dated. Maybe because the remolding didn't help the figure in any way besides (a little) cartoon accuracy.william-james88 wrote:I have a question for you. Of all the toys mentioned on the list, including MP 03, which feels more dated?
That is an unfair question. Obviously not, but there are reasons. Namely the complexity would be daunting, and the aftermarket price is sickening. I would however absolutely recommend him to an MP fan with a deep wallet, a Seeker enthusiast, or a real world jet enthusiast.william-james88 wrote:Which would you recomend to newcomers in the hobby?
I've got 5 MP-03's, and I don't find any of them fiddly. And while involved, I love transforming them. But I could see how they border on frustrating. The MP-11 though, you've heard me complain endlessly about their instability so you get no argument from me about that.william-james88 wrote:Because I really feel MP 03 is not a great toy. He is super fiddly, not fun to transform. And any Takara release was pretty pricey. Especially the remolded MP 11.
I have zero problems with his robot mode... aside from those vent kibbles. Admittedly they are frustrating.william-james88 wrote:And I know you were talking about MP03, which does have a great jet mode. But I dont like the robot mode much. I think he looks off, with the feet, lack of decent heels, the receded head. And while I am not a fan of the dangling hip kibble, which I dont think looks good regardless of screen accuracy or not (feels super lazy to me), the kibble I dislike the most are those 2 jet panel kibbles on the side of his air vents next to his head.
But hey! It's all opinion Will, and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just have a huge love on for MP-3 Starscream, and I'll fight for him any day
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1921311)
Posted by william-james88 on November 13th, 2017 @ 12:16am CST
And I will forever welcome it Though I truly think we see the same pros and cons and are mostly on the same page. They are just less of a deal breaker for one than for the other. I do like how for both of us, that kibble hanging off the side of his head is worse than the hip kibble.
We are totally on the same page for MP 11. While he may be an improvement in some aspects (and I personally do preffer that toy in the instances when the torso is secure) its a real slap on the face when you compare to other masterpiece toys which chose to make a whole new figure from the ground up. Unlike Megatron, Optimus and Hot Rod (and Ultra Magnus?) he isn't a 2.0 version but a 1.5 instead. And based off a mold that was admittedly never meant to be a screen accurate G1 Starscream (the hip kibble being intentional to represent the evolution of the Starscream character in all renditions with the latest one being more of a sword wielder). All to say, I totally see more merrit in MP 03 as a toy than MP 11, even though I may preffer transforming MP 11 and having him on my shelf next to other MPs.
I do also get super ticked off that a toy that wasnt supposed to be a G1 accurate starscream and which was retooled into one was then further retooled into the coneheads. Like with that much retooling, why not make a new mold? It will be reused by the other coneheads for crying out loud!!!
Oh and when speaking of prices, I was reffering to the price of the toys when they could be bought initially and not the secondary market. I always found the MP seekers on the pricey side. Glad some fans were able to get the Hasbro versions for cheaper.
Posted by william-james88 on November 13th, 2017 @ 12:16am CST
shajaki wrote:But hey! It's all opinion Will, and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just have a huge love on for MP-3 Starscream, and I'll fight for him any day
And I will forever welcome it
Though I truly think we see the same pros and cons and are mostly on the same page. They are just less of a deal breaker for one than for the other. I do like how for both of us, that kibble hanging off the side of his head is worse than the hip kibble. We are totally on the same page for MP 11. While he may be an improvement in some aspects (and I personally do preffer that toy in the instances when the torso is secure) its a real slap on the face when you compare to other masterpiece toys which chose to make a whole new figure from the ground up. Unlike Megatron, Optimus and Hot Rod (and Ultra Magnus?) he isn't a 2.0 version but a 1.5 instead. And based off a mold that was admittedly never meant to be a screen accurate G1 Starscream (the hip kibble being intentional to represent the evolution of the Starscream character in all renditions with the latest one being more of a sword wielder). All to say, I totally see more merrit in MP 03 as a toy than MP 11, even though I may preffer transforming MP 11 and having him on my shelf next to other MPs.
I do also get super ticked off that a toy that wasnt supposed to be a G1 accurate starscream and which was retooled into one was then further retooled into the coneheads. Like with that much retooling, why not make a new mold? It will be reused by the other coneheads for crying out loud!!!
Oh and when speaking of prices, I was reffering to the price of the toys when they could be bought initially and not the secondary market. I always found the MP seekers on the pricey side. Glad some fans were able to get the Hasbro versions for cheaper.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1921379)
Posted by Evil Eye on November 13th, 2017 @ 11:49am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on November 13th, 2017 @ 11:49am CST
A new Seeker mold is definitely needed, though given the recent route of MPs being completely enslaved to cartoon accuracy to an unhealthy degree, to the point where it impacts on their quality (lookin' at you Megatron) I fear an MP Seeker 3.0 would be an overly complicated, devoid of interesting detail yet simultaneously covered in ugly hinge joints mess of a thing. And at the risk of seeming like a complete fanboy, I actually have no idea how a Seeker 3.0 would top Howling Meteor short of literally taking the mold, maybe resculpting a few bits (adding more jet details and...well that's about it really), sticking some 'con tampos on it, and putting it in a Takara box. I mean, that's not me fanboying over Maketoys (well it kind of is I suppose but hear me out), as some MPs with a very good 3P alternative still stand on their own filling a different niche. Case in point, for all my misgivings about him, MP-36- I prefer Despotron but I can appreciate the sheer cartoon accuracy of the official figure and why that would appeal. But for Starscream, the unofficial version is both a better toy than the current Takara offering, AND looks pretty much as accrurate as a transformable, poseable version of the G1 Seeker design can look.
As for which one I prefer out of the two official offerings, I'm more of an MP-03 guy. Not because I think it's completely superior to MP-11 (the latter has better heels and is obviously more accurate) but the sheer gorgeousness of the jet mode, slightly better solidity due to not having been redecoed to death by that point, and the admittedly pretty cool hip pods win me over. MP-11 should have been a new mold rather than trying to make MP-03 (a love letter to the F-15) into a "Robot mode first" figure. Also it would have avoided the wobbliness brought on by excessive reuse of the mold.
Another mold (a movie one, surprise surprise) I'm very fond of is the Dreadwing/Overcast/Fearswoop mold. The robot mode is not without its faults but is quirky and original, and the jet mode is pretty neat too, with fairly minimal undercarriage junk (and the folded up legs kind of look like a drop tank) and very nice detailing. Plus, the MiG-29 is a lovely plane.
As for which one I prefer out of the two official offerings, I'm more of an MP-03 guy. Not because I think it's completely superior to MP-11 (the latter has better heels and is obviously more accurate) but the sheer gorgeousness of the jet mode, slightly better solidity due to not having been redecoed to death by that point, and the admittedly pretty cool hip pods win me over. MP-11 should have been a new mold rather than trying to make MP-03 (a love letter to the F-15) into a "Robot mode first" figure. Also it would have avoided the wobbliness brought on by excessive reuse of the mold.
Another mold (a movie one, surprise surprise) I'm very fond of is the Dreadwing/Overcast/Fearswoop mold. The robot mode is not without its faults but is quirky and original, and the jet mode is pretty neat too, with fairly minimal undercarriage junk (and the folded up legs kind of look like a drop tank) and very nice detailing. Plus, the MiG-29 is a lovely plane.
Re: Top 5 Best Jet Transformers Toys (1921668)
Posted by ScottyP on November 14th, 2017 @ 1:26pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on November 14th, 2017 @ 1:26pm CST
Yes. Just, yes, positively, absolutely agreed. Those were pure magic at the time, and in a way they still are. Eagle Eye has one of the most fluid transformations ever realized on a smaller scale Transformers toy.SpikeyTigertron wrote:http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/transformers/g2/#skyscorchers "skyscorchers" those were the guys I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure some of them are based of "real modern jets".
