Transformers Legacy News: Review of Cybertron Hot Shot, Images of Ferak in Box and Vector Prime in Hand

As much as upset as I am by the lack of Safeguard or those leftover ankle hinges from the previous tooling the more I see of this Victor Prime the more I like. His colors just pop so well and I like all the different ways he can store his key.

It may also help that Cybertron was my first ever TF series and I liked Vector Prime a lot back in the day.

As I thought, the 3D renders weren’t doing Vector any justice. Yes, I think he’s a slight step down from the OG, but I’m also not going to be scouring eBay for an original any time soon. While I wish the cyberkeys weren’t just translucent, I think he’s a great figure overall with some exceptional detailing. Can’t wait to get him, he looks great next to Galaxy Prime

Vector looks as good as I can hope for nowadays. Then I saw his opening hands. Man, I hate those. I've never had a toy with that type of hands that held a weapon good at all. And he's known for his sword.....

Cheetron wrote:Vector looks as good as I can hope for nowadays. Then I saw his opening hands. Man, I hate those. I've never had a toy with that type of hands that held a weapon good at all. And he's known for his sword.....

They are the exact same hands as Jhiaxus, who holds his guns just fine. I'm not too worried at all.

Really need an upgrade kit for VP, even just something to make those vestigial leg hinges look better and maybe extend his alt mode somehow would be good. Looking forward to what Toyhax comes up with, too.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Cheetron wrote:Vector looks as good as I can hope for nowadays. Then I saw his opening hands. Man, I hate those. I've never had a toy with that type of hands that held a weapon good at all. And he's known for his sword.....

They are the exact same hands as Jhiaxus, who holds his guns just fine. I'm not too worried at all.

Similar to Leader Prime's as well and they're perfectly fine.

Emerje

Is it just me, or are the colors in the pictures of Vector Prime like... overly saturated?

Looking at these pics, it only just now hit me that Vector Prime's Critias Gate is now located at the nose of his vehicle mode inside of behind the cockpit where it was on the original toy. His Cyber Key still being in that spot threw me off before now. The Critias Gate being at the very front nose portion of the vehicle mode is really not a good look for the whole vehicle mode.

I gotta say, I'm really digging Vectors Bot mode. His alt mode not so much!

~ Grim

The alt mode is mistransformed except for in the first picture

Sabrblade wrote:Looking at these pics, it only just now hit me that Vector Prime's Critias Gate is now located at the nose of his vehicle mode inside of behind the cockpit where it was on the original toy. His Cyber Key still being in that spot threw me off before now. The Critias Gate being at the very front nose portion of the vehicle mode is really not a good look for the whole vehicle mode.

Razorbeast88 wrote:The alt mode is mistransformed except for in the first picture

Aah, I see what they're doing. They made the nose spin to hide the gate and you're supposed to fake it by attaching the key behind the cockpit. Now I really want a third party to make a part that snaps on behind the cockpit with the gate sculpted on for a proper alt mode.

Emerje

Thanks to a pair of eBay auctions we have our first look at Treds, a rumored Selects figure. For those not familiar with the character of Treds, a brief history lesson. Gobots were a competitor of the Transformers line in the early 80s. Through mergers and acquisitions beyond that, Takara and Hasbro ended up with the rights to use the names of the Gobots characters, which is how we got the name Leader-1 as an Armada character, how Classics Mirage was redecoed into a very suspiciously Crasher-like color scheme and character, and why in 2003, Takara and Ehobby released a set of redecos/retools of some G1 minibots as Gobots characters Pathfinder (Cosmos mold), Bad Boy (Powerglide mold), Small Foot (Gears mold), Bug Bite (Bumblebee mold), Road Ranger (Huffer mold) and Treds (Warpath mold). We've already seen a modern release of Bugbite in Selects, Road Ranger in the WFC Golden Disk collection, and we're rumored to be getting a 3-pack of Small Foot, Pathfinder, and Treds in Selects this year (from Legacy Gears, Velocitron 500 Cosmos, and Kingdom Warpath, respectively).



History lesson over, here are the pictures, from an ebay listing by sellers transmimi and ytsetron, respectively.

















What do you think, Seibertronians? Excited to see some more obscure characters with modern updates? Sound off in the forums below!

I like the mold, and though at 1st glance the snot-colored tone is a turn-off, on closer inspection it's darker than snot. Might make for a decent troop builder.

I've always had a soft spot for Bugbite, Treds and the other GoBots based on G1 "Autobot Mini Vehicles" (and generally for obscure reuses of ancient molds), so I surely hope to see more like this, also in the MP line.

He looks really good. For those who have forgotten, since it wasn't mentioned (and the leak comes from January), Treads is supposed to be in a three pack with Path Finder (Cosmos mold) and Small Foot (Gears mold). They'll make up the bulk of a set that also includes previously released Bug Bite and Road Ranger.

All we need now is an updated Powerglide so we can finish the set with Bad Boy.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:He looks really good. For those who have forgotten, since it wasn't mentioned (and the leak comes from January), Treads is supposed to be in a three pack with Path Finder (Cosmos mold) and Small Foot (Gears mold). They'll make up the bulk of a set that also includes previously released Bug Bite and Road Ranger.

All we need now is an updated Powerglide so we can finish the set with Bad Boy.

Emerje

Yeah with Gears out, the 2 I'm still looking for are Powerglide and Seaspray.

As someone who had GoBots as a kid, for reasons, I'm not exactly eager to get most of them redone. I also get why they're doing this seemingly straight repaint, which is why it doesn't interest me. If the head was sculpted differently it would at least offer something new/different, otherwise it's just a Green Warpath IMO. I also would have preferred a different shade green, something a little more militaristic looking. I don't know what this color is, "forest green"? Pass

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Emerje wrote:All we need now is an updated Powerglide so we can finish the set with Bad Boy.

Emerje

Yeah with Gears out, the 2 I'm still looking for are Powerglide and Seaspray.

Totally this! though here lately I've been thinking of just getting the Legends figure and calling it good, feels like it will take forever to get Pwerglide when they always busy with simple repaints like Treds. We'll definitely get Swerve and Outback long before these two.

Not that I'm against it, I'll buy Swerve as it looks just different enough to be a different Bot.

I know I'll never have that, but I would like some more "cabin head" Go-Bots. Like for example, a modern take on Zeemon. It would be a brand new mold. You could have the option of having the classic "cabin head" look, or you could transform him further by shoving the cabin inside the chest or as a backpack, revealing a new "normal" head.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Emerje wrote:He looks really good. For those who have forgotten, since it wasn't mentioned (and the leak comes from January), Treads is supposed to be in a three pack with Path Finder (Cosmos mold) and Small Foot (Gears mold). They'll make up the bulk of a set that also includes previously released Bug Bite and Road Ranger.

All we need now is an updated Powerglide so we can finish the set with Bad Boy.

Emerje

Yeah with Gears out, the 2 I'm still looking for are Powerglide and Seaspray.

I skipped all the car-based Minibot Deluxes except Cliffjumper (because I never had a G1-looking Cliffjumper). I got all the non-car ones (Warpath, Cosmos, all the Pipes molds) so I too are waiting for Powerglide & Seaspray.

Meh. A literal repaint. Was hoping at least a new head sculpt. This means that the other 2 will be just repaints as well. I may grab them. Treds is a guardian so it’s interesting they’ve made him a decepticon now. Very happy that megahouse is giving us modern remakes of true machine robo and I can have updated gobots. I’m really surprised with hasbro having these rights that this is what they’ve come up with. I have my crasher and I am still disappointed she wasn’t a Porsche and that busted face lol. So when are getting superion in legacy?

Even though each minibot had at least one repaint/retool, what I appreciate about these main characters is that they add some variety.
In the past I’ve said I’d skip Powerglide if/when that release happens, but if I can get Seaspray, Windcharger, and Powerglide before I retire, I probably will.

He's a Decepticon in this continuity because of the first fiction these versions of the Gobots had. A team of both Renegades and Guardians came to this universe, disguised themselves as Autobots and Decepticons, and worked within both factions to find a solution to the event that was destroying their home universe. Treds got in with the Decepticons to basically keep an eye on Bug Bite and Bad Boy.

Following on from the recent in hand pictures of what looks to be an Ehobby recolor of Kingdom Warpath into the Gobots character Treds, we have a look at the second of the rumored three pack, Small Foot, via Reddit user r/cillipod13231322! Unlike the previous few releases of Gobots characters (Road Ranger, Crasher, This figure actually contains some slight remolding in the form of a new face.



As you can see, the sides of the head stay the same, but her face sculpt is much more in line with her depiction in fiction so far.

Here's the rest of the pictures.







At this rate, Pathfinder should be leaked by tomorrow. Are you all excited to see another Gobots inspired figure? Do you plan on picking her up when she's released? Let us know what you think below!

Bounti76 wrote:He's a Decepticon in this continuity because of the first fiction these versions of the Gobots had. A team of both Renegades and Guardians came to this universe, disguised themselves as Autobots and Decepticons, and worked within both factions to find a solution to the event that was destroying their home universe. Treds got in with the Decepticons to basically keep an eye on Bug Bite and Bad Boy.

But even that was a reference to his GoBot toy having the wrong faction sticker, right?

TFWiki says that eHobby Treads' color scheme was based on how Warpath was colored in a Takara catalog or promo, but I'd still like to think it was also referencing that one panel in the first UK Annual where he's colored green, like how Small Foot and Road Ranger's colors were based on that page in 'The Autobot's Lightning Strike' where Gears and Huffer are miscolored. Or was there some other source for those too?

And I'm so glad they bothered to remold her face, looks awesome!

This looks really nice. I'm looking pretty forward to this 3 pack. It's going to be my first time picking up these molds sense I don't have any interest in getting the other releases.

I dunno why, but I've really liked these recolours since the e-hobby set. I may have to grab these!

~ Grim

The new head sculpt is pretty interesting, not just because we got one, but because it's based her Fun Publications (BotCon) Timelines design.



I wonder if that means we could get another three pack in the future?


Just need new Seaspray and we can have a set of Man-O-War (Seaspray), BuggyMan (Beachcomber), and Rest Q (Cliffjumper).

Also this is the early Takara image that inspired the e-Hobby set members Bad Boy and Path Finder, along with Timelines BuggyMan and Man-O-War and FunPub Nacelle.



Emerje

Looks cool , but man I wish we could get actual Gobot reissues.

Emerje wrote:The new head sculpt is pretty interesting, not just because we got one, but because it's based her Fun Publications (BotCon) Timelines design.

Which was itself based on her Hanna-Barbera cartoon face.

As an avid gobot fan why oh why Is she orange lol. I was hoping for red. I get it it’s timeline stuff but man I’m ready for real modern gobot toys

Richeetf's post isn't showing up to quote, but I feel like responding,

As an avid gobot fan why oh why Is she orange lol. I was hoping for red. I get it it’s timeline stuff but man I’m ready for real modern gobot toys

I'd love that too, I just watched the whole series along with an old college friend, and we plan to try out my Battle of the Rock Lords VHS on his birthday. There IS enough of a following, but there's also the 3-way legal tug-of-war between Hasbro owning the characters, Bandai owning the original Machine Robo toys and related designs, and Time Warner owning the cartoon and likeness rights that would be necessary to produce Gobot toys in the Generations/Masterpiece style emphasizing accuracy to vintage fiction that Transformers have been enjoying for 2 decades now. Gobots deserves it, but 3 parties each demanding their pound of flesh just doesn't make it economically viable.

As for orange, I think it comes from this Ladybird illustration I mentioned before:

If someone interpreted blue representing black, in the mighty Marvel tradition, this should explain Road Ranger's Huffer repaint as well, but if anyone has better information that refutes this, please chime in.

I think all Hasbro would need is the rights to the cartoon since those designs were and are different enough from the toys. Hence why Action Toys and Megahouse are able to make toys but based on the Revenge of Cronos Anime.

Wait, why is this new Small Foot orange when the original toy was yellow?



Transformers e-Hobby Exclusives Smallfoot Gallery

Yeah, interesting it’s not more of a straight yellow…. Especially since there aren’t exactly a lot of characters who are a common yellow.
Although there aren’t a lot of characters who have a main color of orange either.
Plus that’s a Yellow-Orange.
Most people don’t realize that the legit orange color is darker and closer to Red-Orange.


If Hastak could ever make updated GoBots, I would most likely buy them. Or at least some of them.
I wasn’t really impressed with the new Crasher.
But from what it sounds, there may be a couple too many hurdles for this to ever happen.

Sowndwave76 wrote:But from what it sounds, there may be a couple too many hurdles for this to ever happen.

Actions Toys was somehow able to get away with making an animation-accurate Cy-Kill face for one of their updated Bike Robo figures in their official Machine Robo: Revenge of Cronos line, so it seems other companies working directly with Bandai instead of Hasbro might have it easier.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:But from what it sounds, there may be a couple too many hurdles for this to ever happen.

Actions Toys was somehow able to get away with making an animation-accurate Cy-Kill face for one of their updated Bike Robo figures in their official Machine Robo: Revenge of Cronos line, so it seems other companies working directly with Bandai instead of Hasbro might have it easier.

Yeah, I have that figure, it's amazing. Those GoBot faces were more like an unofficial bonus than anything.

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, why is this new Small Foot orange when the original toy was yellow?

Timelines colors to go with the Timelines face sculpt.

Plus M Sipher's photos show her as orange instead of yellow.



Emerje

I'll give them points for the new head on Small foot, but it does still looks a lot like Gears with the red front body. If that was a different color or even a much lighter shade I'd be more tempted.

I wonder if that means we could get another three pack in the future?


Just need new Seaspray and we can have a set of Man-O-War (Seaspray), BuggyMan (Beachcomber), and Rest Q (Cliffjumper).

Emerje[/quote]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Man-O-War in the main line with Seaspray going into an Exclusive multipack with how they handled Hound! lol
That said, I probably wouldn't say no to that suggested three pack as I find the Cliffjumper repaint kind of interesting. I'm still waiting on Beachcomber form EE so if a repaint was released and available before I get that in my hand it might sting a little. I'd also go for that Thrust repaint and anyone's listening. Can't say I'm a big enough fan of GoBots to want them all though, I got Crasher because of the unique and striking look to her.

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, why is this new Small Foot orange when the original toy was yellow?

Timelines colors to go with the Timelines face sculpt.

She was yellow in her first Timelines fiction appearance, too.



The same appearance which used the pink color of the face from the toy, while the later one instead made her face the same light gray as her thighs.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, why is this new Small Foot orange when the original toy was yellow?

Timelines colors to go with the Timelines face sculpt.

She was yellow in her first Timelines fiction appearance, too.



The same appearance which used the pink color of the face from the toy, while the later one instead made her face the same light gray as her thighs.

I'm sure they had some sort of rationale behind it, either they were trying to meet half way between the yellow and darker orange from Timelines, or basing it on Greg's pic on TFWiki, or maybe it's just bad photography because the truck image looks more like dark yellow than light orange so it might be a little brighter in hand.

Emerje

Is the commander class Armada Optimus prime really that good? My entire collection is a combination of studio series 86 and war for Cybertron figures with an emphasis on an overall G1 aesthetic, but I hate to miss out on something truly special.

Mkdlmr wrote:Is the commander class Armada Optimus prime really that good? My entire collection is a combination of studio series 86 and war for Cybertron figures with an emphasis on an overall G1 aesthetic, but I hate to miss out on something truly special.

Yes, yes he is. He's a truly excellent update.

And a truly great commander figure on his own, even if you don't have experience with the original.

Overcracker wrote:

Mkdlmr wrote:Is the commander class Armada Optimus prime really that good? My entire collection is a combination of studio series 86 and war for Cybertron figures with an emphasis on an overall G1 aesthetic, but I hate to miss out on something truly special.

Yes, yes he is. He's a truly excellent update.

And a truly great commander figure on his own, even if you don't have experience with the original.

Thanks!

Oof...but where to put him in a G1-themed collection?

Looks a bit bad with the mismatcged plastic colors -avoiding yellow doesnt seem to have helped it. The black windows helps hide some mess. Definitely down for these though and no doubt we will see 123 transformers/gobots repaints at some point.

Mkdlmr wrote:Is the commander class Armada Optimus Prime really that good?

In no uncertain terms, yes. An utterly superb figure! My collection has very much become a Legacy collection of characters I love and figures I enjoy. He fits in perfectly!

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:

Mkdlmr wrote:Is the commander class Armada Optimus Prime really that good?

In no uncertain terms, yes. An utterly superb figure! My collection has very much become a Legacy collection of characters I love and figures I enjoy. He fits in perfectly!

~ Grim

Imo, one of the best, if not THE best commander so far.

I just saw the 2 video review's for Tidal Wave only to find out the idiot's could not engineer a freakin' waist swivel for the figure....WTF ???

What sucks is the original figure has a waist swivel but has poor leg and head articulation which they gave the new figure. Damnation I had intention to part ways with my Armada figure but now I just don't know.

That's a fine DK move , way to go!

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

Mkdlmr wrote:Is the commander class Armada Optimus Prime really that good?

In no uncertain terms, yes. An utterly superb figure! My collection has very much become a Legacy collection of characters I love and figures I enjoy. He fits in perfectly!

~ Grim

Imo, one of the best, if not THE best commander so far.

Really tight with Armada Prime and Magmatron. Both are utterly amazing figures, well worth the money.

~ Grim

^^ Armada Prime is great, I'm installing the DNA upgrade kit right now.

So I can no longer say I've never seen Legacy Toxitron collection Leaders at Walmart, spotted this Saturday morning.



Scanned it with the Walmart app and it was indeed full price. Between seeing this for the first time ever (got mine Pulse and Walmart.com) and the other local Walmart getting the Deluxe figures for the first time a few weeks ago it really does feel like Walmart is restocking these to fill space until the Star Raiders come out.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:^^ Armada Prime is great, I'm installing the DNA upgrade kit right now.
Emerje

How is the DNA kit? I'm not sure it adds enough to warrant a purchase for myself. What're your thoughts?

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:

Emerje wrote:^^ Armada Prime is great, I'm installing the DNA upgrade kit right now.
Emerje

How is the DNA kit? I'm not sure it adds enough to warrant a purchase for myself. What're your thoughts?

~ Grim

Unfortunately I can't recommend it. It was the biggest headache I've ever experienced doing an upgrade kit.

Regular Prime benefits all around, I like the height extension and covers. But the replacement gold super hands are terrible. The thumbs constantly pop off and their articulated in the wrong direction (they spread instead of straighten) and have a removable 5mm "cup" for holding the gun, but it isn't strong enough to hold, especially if you use the gun extension making it twice as heavy. Why they didn't just make a permanent 5mm ring that can fold into the palm is beyond me. The new chest piece is OK, looks good in super mode, looks too tall in alt mode. annoyingly the part you pop off has a mushroom peg, but the new part just has a normal peg so instead of sliding the part to change positions you're supposed to pop it off and back on. But overall this was all pretty easy, and reassembling the legs was pretty painless compared to, say, replacing ratchets on Fort Max. Probably would have recommended it if this was it, but...

In super mode there's a large part on the back that you're expected to remove a very long, maybe 3 inch pin from to do so. How hard can that be, they even included a tool with no explanation or advice. First I tried to just muscle it out. Yeah right! So then I went and got a hammer, and after AN HOUR of pounding on the pin remover and the pin not even moving a little bit I somehow managed to poke a hole down the side of the pin since the plastic is hollow and thin. Kept trying, but the pin remover just kept slipping off into the hole. So then I went on YouTube to watch reviews and of the three I watched all of them had the same complaint about the near impossibility of removing that damn pin and resorting to hammers to get it out. So my next idea was to use channellocks and try to use them like a hydraulic press and force the pin out... and broke the outside plastic right off the end. Welp, no going back now, used the channellocks to basically "chew" the plastic off around one end of the pin so I could get a good grip on the pin. Got a good grip with the channellocks, started working it out... and the end snapped off the pin flush with the plastic that I needed to keep. So now I have to "chew" the plastic off the other end and finally was able to pull the damn pin out! This was OVER 2 HOURS wasted on this effing thing! Thankfully I was able to get the new part and the replacement pin back in place (mostly, it's sticking out slightly, but I just need to get my little finish hammer out of the shed because it's a tight space). And all that work resulted in a part that really isn't much better than the original, it just splits awkwardly for more leg clearance I guess, folding would have been better than splitting. There's also a right angle part you're supposed to use to make the red missile pod not stick out as far off the back, but it's much, much too loose at both ends and just pops off. And finally there's the parts you're supposed to put on the bottom of his feet that are meant to give him a slight bit of height and cover the back of the trailer in alt mode but they connect at the very end of the toe (and there's a rather annoying gap) and just sag when you pick him up looking like he's wearing flipflops.

He does look OK standing, but for what this kit cost and how janky it is (and not being able to reverse one of the replacement parts) it's just no good.

Emerje