Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara

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Yamamaya_z on Twitter got his hands on the Japanese 2018 Generations book and has stated a quote from one of the Takara designers developing the Beast Wars Masterpiece line. The Japanese text can be found in fellow Seibertronian Actar's quote below where he describes his interpretation but the translation would be similar to this:

"Regarding the Beast Wars "Masterpiece" figures, I felt our first goal was to get to Dinobot, and now the next goal is (Beast Wars) Megatron, so I would like to do my best for that one."

This suggests that Beast Wars Dinobot was their first milestone/target to reach in this line and now that he has been accomplished, the next milestone would be Beast Wars Megatron, yessss. It definitely confirms that he is eventually coming and on their minds but it doesn't mean he is next. If the milestone interpretation is correct, we might even be seeing other Beast Wars MPs before Beast Wars Megatron. There are also other masterpiece figures in the works that could come out before, such as Trailcutter and Hoist. Let's just hope he comes with a ducky accessory when he does come out.

Below is the original quote discovered by our own Actar.

Actar wrote:According to a tweet regarding the new Transformers Generations 2018 book, there was a comment by the designers of MP-41 Dinobot:

「『マスターピース』のビーストウォーズに関しては、まず第一目標がダイノボットで、その次はメガトロンだと思っていましたので、そこに向けて頑張っていきたいですね。」

Their first target for the BW MPs was Dinobot. Now, they're aiming for Megatron.

While this is not confirmation that Megatron will be next, the team has shown an interest in making one.

Credit(s): Yamamaya_z

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922016)
Posted by Quantum Surge on November 16th, 2017 @ 5:38pm CST

Do we even need to say that one word he loved saying?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922017)
Posted by Skritz on November 16th, 2017 @ 5:39pm CST

Quantum Surge wrote:Do we even need to say that one word he loved saying?

YEEESSSS

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922022)
Posted by Burn on November 16th, 2017 @ 5:59pm CST

I like that he was basically saying "We did Dinobot so we could develop some tricks that will make Megatron work".

THIS, might be the one MP BW figure I will get because it will no doubt put ladder magic to shame.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922023)
Posted by fenrir72 on November 16th, 2017 @ 6:03pm CST

Buy only official Takara products to help stave of its bankruptcy. 8-)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922025)
Posted by Burn on November 16th, 2017 @ 6:05pm CST

fenrir72 wrote:Buy only official Takara products to help stave of its bankruptcy.

I'll buy whatever the **** I want, whenever the **** I want, from whoever the **** I want. 8-)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922028)
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 16th, 2017 @ 6:28pm CST

Burn wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Buy only official Takara products to help stave of its bankruptcy.

I'll buy whatever the **** I want, whenever the **** I want, from whoever the **** I want.

*buys Burn a beer*

Sadly, due to an ocean of separation, I guess I'll have to drink it for him myself. 8-)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922030)
Posted by Prime Target on November 16th, 2017 @ 6:39pm CST

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922032)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 16th, 2017 @ 6:43pm CST

Awesome news, but I don't need him to be $300, I just want a nicer version of the BW one with better articulation

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922038)
Posted by Burn on November 16th, 2017 @ 7:19pm CST

Ironhidensh wrote:
Burn wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Buy only official Takara products to help stave of its bankruptcy.

I'll buy whatever the **** I want, whenever the **** I want, from whoever the **** I want.

*buys Burn a beer*

Sadly, due to an ocean of separation, I guess I'll have to drink it for him myself.

You forgot to add the obligatory "Yesssssss"

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922050)
Posted by william-james88 on November 16th, 2017 @ 8:00pm CST

Burn wrote:I like that he was basically saying "We did Dinobot so we could develop some tricks that will make Megatron work".

THIS, might be the one MP BW figure I will get because it will no doubt put ladder magic to shame.

I really dont see how this guy would require that or be harder to pull off than dinobot or cheetor. Unlike them, his robot mode shows a tone of his alt mode and there doesnt need to be a fake head. He basically keeps his tail, head, legs and beast mode skin (on his back) in robot mode. I would figure of all Beast Wars MPs, he would be the easiest due to all the kibble that doesnt need any hiding.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922055)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 16th, 2017 @ 8:57pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
Burn wrote:I like that he was basically saying "We did Dinobot so we could develop some tricks that will make Megatron work".

THIS, might be the one MP BW figure I will get because it will no doubt put ladder magic to shame.

I really dont see how this guy would require that or be harder to pull off than dinobot or cheetor. Unlike them, his robot mode shows a tone of his alt mode and there doesnt need to be a fake head. He basically keeps his tail, head, legs and beast mode skin (on his back) in robot mode. I would figure of all Beast Wars MPs, he would be the easiest due to all the kibble that doesnt need any hiding.

Exactly, most that I could see TT striving to do would be to have his back kibble 'shrink' like it did in the show, but I don't want to shell out another $100 for that #-o

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922059)
Posted by Burn on November 16th, 2017 @ 9:04pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
Burn wrote:I like that he was basically saying "We did Dinobot so we could develop some tricks that will make Megatron work".

THIS, might be the one MP BW figure I will get because it will no doubt put ladder magic to shame.

I really dont see how this guy would require that or be harder to pull off than dinobot or cheetor. Unlike them, his robot mode shows a tone of his alt mode and there doesnt need to be a fake head. He basically keeps his tail, head, legs and beast mode skin (on his back) in robot mode. I would figure of all Beast Wars MPs, he would be the easiest due to all the kibble that doesnt need any hiding.

I think at this point in time they're going for magic over simplicity.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922066)
Posted by TulioDude on November 16th, 2017 @ 9:40pm CST

He might be an easier to design than hte previous masterpieces,the original toy was pretty accurate for the time

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922073)
Posted by shajaki on November 16th, 2017 @ 10:09pm CST

For those worried about the price, there's already a premium variation of the original BW Megatron out there.

And he's had 3 different releases:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922077)
Posted by fenrir72 on November 16th, 2017 @ 10:25pm CST

What would be the cry baby price range be for Beast Megs?

Above Y15000 but below Y 20000?

Above Y20000 but below Y 30000?

If the fig doesn't sell (Dinobot), will this thread become a a mere rumor?

If it sells good, will you be willing to accept a Y20000 price range for a potential BW line?

Would y'all be accepting parts switching?

What about parts cheating like Dinobot's false head/chest?

If there is a voice chip of the JP actor, will you still get it?

Will you just wait for them to go out on clearance?

If a 3rd party Beast Megatron comes out first and is much better than the official, will you buy the sh_t over the official one?

If Takara folds and Hb gets Mattel/Playmates/Bandai to build TFs, will you still buy those plastic crack or consider them turds?

In order to prevent that, to all TF Masterpiece fans, please ensure that 4000 + units get sold (figure based on Takara's cut off for Gran Max)so Takara will keep on building these puzzle figure toys.

Remember, every time you buy whatever sh_t_ you want anytime anywhere instead of an official MP, a Takara executive is forced to commit seppuko

while their outsourced employee at SEA gets the pink slip :-$

so as to keep Takara in the black! 8-)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922078)
Posted by Burn on November 16th, 2017 @ 10:27pm CST

fenrir72 wrote:What would be the cry baby price range be for Beast Megs?

Is there a need to be so condescending?

fenrir72 wrote:If a 3rd party Beast Megatron comes out first and is much better than the official, will you buy the sh_t over the official one?

I consider self-censoring as an attempt to by-pass the swear filter built into the forums. Do it again and you get a warning.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922081)
Posted by fenrir72 on November 16th, 2017 @ 10:36pm CST

I will then but follow the example of what is required of me by Carl Golden (leading by example)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922093)
Posted by william-james88 on November 16th, 2017 @ 11:19pm CST

Burn wrote:I think at this point in time they're going for magic over simplicity.

I apologise in advance if what I will write wont make much sense. I tried explaining it to cobotron and he only understood because he felt similarly. I 100% agree that they will do magic over simplicty. So for instance if Megatron's tail weapon on the show looks different than his tail in beast mode, then instead of using the same tail for both modes, they would find a way to turn the beast tail into a bunch of smaller panels that hide away and give him a more accurate looking tail weapon that comes from his back or something. I dont think thats gonna happen, its just an example of magic. Dinobot went for that too. Instead of just using his beast mode feet for his robot mode hands, which he does on the show, they found a way to give him completely new hands for robot mode and hide away the other bits that are no longer needed. Thats magic right there... and I dont really care for it. I really like alt mode integration, it helps keep things simple and elegant without having too many parts that need to hide away. Like if they did use the same hands/feet for both modes then you wouldnt have the raptor claws showing on the back of his robot mode biceps, and you wouldnt see his robot hands trying to hide in raptor mode.

I really like MPs like Wheeljack, Bumblebee and Sidewipe where you feel that this is probably how they do transform in real life. They still feel chuncky in a way even though they have a higher parts count and are more complex. And they dont feel too pannely with parts trying to hide.

I feel it all changed with Tracks and he is a perfect example of what I dont like in the a few MPs since (I forget, did Bumblebee come before or after tracks?). For all those who have tracks, a big beef of mine are those darker panels that are between his legs in car mode and only serve a purpose in robot mode to change the look of his legs. While it probably costs more for the higher parts count, I feel its a cheap way out of recreating the robot mode detail by just patching it up with extraneous panels. It doesnt feel like that is how tracks would transform at all.

Like sure the alt mode looks like the show model and the robot mode looks like the show model (at certain angles) but I know for sure that this is not how he got from one form to the next. In my understanding on Transformers lore, his legs dont look like that because a small panel with different detail was placed over his car parts, they were either there all along under the car (like with cybertron hot shot) or the car parts receded to see robot parts. It really doesnt feel that much different than just having two extraneous 3rd party panels that you then snap onto the toy to make him look more show accurate. That's just an aesthetic change, nothing functional, nothing giving hints to his inner workings. I guess thats why they call it magic, its improbable and doesnt feel real.

This is probably where I lose everyone but for those that understood (whether you agree with em or not), high five!

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922107)
Posted by Emerje on November 17th, 2017 @ 1:11am CST

fenrir72 wrote:Buy only official Takara products to help stave of its bankruptcy.

You keep saying this, but what are you basing it off of? An article about Hasbro being rumored to
want to buy them from several months ago? That was all speculation. They're latest financial report from November 8 shows that their profits are up and debts are down and they're predicting a much better than average 2018 in the first two quarters. Selling a few thousand MPs isn't going to have much of a financial effect on them in the long run anyway.

In order to prevent that, to all TF Masterpiece fans, please ensure that 4000 + units get sold (figure based on Takara's cut off for Gran Max)so Takara will keep on building these puzzle figure toys.

Apples and oranges. Grand Maximus is a semi-obscure Japan-only character made from a not all that well liked mold and sold only at Takara Tomy Mall (and maybe through Hasbro Asia). That's a far cry from a very popular character world wide that'll most likely look phenomenal and sold at mass retail. Even if nobody bought it (which is exceedingly unlikely) it won't stop them from making more MPs after.

william-james88 wrote:beast mode skin (on his back) in robot mode.

Not exactly and this is where the most complexity in the mold is going to come from.

It's going to take a lot of special folding to shrink down those skin panels and hide the t-rex arms.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922109)
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 17th, 2017 @ 1:17am CST

william-james88 wrote:
Burn wrote:I think at this point in time they're going for magic over simplicity.

I apologise in advance if what I will write wont make much sense. I tried explaining it to cobotron and he only understood because he felt similarly. I 100% agree that they will do magic over simplicty. So for instance if Megatron's tail weapon on the show looks different than his tail in beast mode, then instead of using the same tail for both modes, they would find a way to turn the beast tail into a bunch of smaller panels that hide away and give him a more accurate looking tail weapon that comes from his back or something. I dont think thats gonna happen, its just an example of magic. Dinobot went for that too. Instead of just using his beast mode feet for his robot mode hands, which he does on the show, they found a way to give him completely new hands for robot mode and hide away the other bits that are no longer needed. Thats magic right there... and I dont really care for it. I really like alt mode integration, it helps keep things simple and elegant without having too many parts that need to hide away. Like if they did use the same hands/feet for both modes then you wouldnt have the raptor claws showing on the back of his robot mode biceps, and you wouldnt see his robot hands trying to hide in raptor mode.

I really like MPs like Wheeljack, Bumblebee and Sidewipe where you feel that this is probably how they do transform in real life. They still feel chuncky in a way even though they have a higher parts count and are more complex. And they dont feel too pannely with parts trying to hide.

I feel it all changed with Tracks and he is a perfect example of what I dont like in the a few MPs since (I forget, did Bumblebee come before or after tracks?). For all those who have tracks, a big beef of mine are those darker panels that are between his legs in car mode and only serve a purpose in robot mode to change the look of his legs. While it probably costs more for the higher parts count, I feel its a cheap way out of recreating the robot mode detail by just patching it up with extraneous panels. It doesnt feel like that is how tracks would transform at all.

Like sure the alt mode looks like the show model and the robot mode looks like the show model (at certain angles) but I know for sure that this is not how he got from one form to the next. In my understanding on Transformers lore, his legs dont look like that because a small panel with different detail was placed over his car parts, they were either there all along under the car (like with cybertron hot shot) or the car parts receded to see robot parts. It really doesnt feel that much different than just having two extraneous 3rd party panels that you then snap onto the toy to make him look more show accurate. That's just an aesthetic change, nothing functional, nothing giving hints to his inner workings. I guess thats why they call it magic, its improbable and doesnt feel real.

This is probably where I lose everyone but for those that understood (whether you agree with em or not), high five!

I'll take that high five. I agree with you mostly. The issues you raise don't bother me quite as much, but I see your point and share it. I'd like to see a little less slavish devotion to extreme cartoon accuracy, and more effort at making the best possible figure.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922114)
Posted by g2jazz on November 17th, 2017 @ 1:54am CST

hopefully we will get the Rubber duck as a accessory with BW Megatron

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922120)
Posted by King Kuuga on November 17th, 2017 @ 3:12am CST

When this happens, I'm ready.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922122)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 17th, 2017 @ 4:28am CST

Considering Dinobot's price point... is Megs gonna break the $300 mark?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922140)
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 17th, 2017 @ 8:27am CST

Maybe, but i'll get it anyway.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922171)
Posted by Sodan-1 on November 17th, 2017 @ 12:02pm CST

Could this be the biggest (and most expensive) MP figure so far???

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922191)
Posted by Evil Eye on November 17th, 2017 @ 1:35pm CST

Not gonna lie, I'm so used to seeing WJ88 using that precise image as his avatar that my initial reaction was "Damn, William's become so dedicated to running the news that now he IS the news!". :lol:

But anyway. MP BW Megatron? Hell yeah! Should be fairly simple to engineer too, as the original toy isn't that far off.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922220)
Posted by Anonymous on November 17th, 2017 @ 2:57pm CST

If takara are doing so badly financially they have been making terrible choices on what to release.

Why release 2 more versions of hot rod when they already had one. Why release a black Soundwave so that presumably every person that wanted ratbat just went 3p?

As a G1 fan is pretty poor from their side that the only MP ive boufht this year is Megs.. i mean i (mid thirties high disposable income) should represent their primary target market and theyve only managed to make a single thing i actually wanted to buy this year, poor show.

Anyway serious question are these Beast Wars outselling normal G1s? I never watche d BW so have no idea of following, market size etc.

Ta

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922287)
Posted by william-james88 on November 17th, 2017 @ 9:15pm CST

Emerje wrote:It's going to take a lot of special folding to shrink down those skin panels and hide the t-rex arms.

Emerje

They shouldnt hide the T Rex arms, they are show accurate:

Black Hat wrote:Not gonna lie, I'm so used to seeing WJ88 using that precise image as his avatar that my initial reaction was "Damn, William's become so dedicated to running the news that now he IS the news!".

thanks! As a thumbnail I was looking for a pic of Megatron's face and then realized I had the perfect one just for that :lol:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922317)
Posted by Emerje on November 17th, 2017 @ 11:51pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:It's going to take a lot of special folding to shrink down those skin panels and hide the t-rex arms.

Emerje

They shouldnt hide the T Rex arms, they are show accurate:

You don't know how long I spent trying to find a pic of the show CG model from the back. :lol:

Looks like the simplified character model makes the arms sink into the skin. Would the Prime1 take be OK with fans on a MP?

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922325)
Posted by william-james88 on November 18th, 2017 @ 12:23am CST

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:It's going to take a lot of special folding to shrink down those skin panels and hide the t-rex arms.

Emerje

They shouldnt hide the T Rex arms, they are show accurate:

You don't know how long I spent trying to find a pic of the show CG model from the back.

But why waste time when I had already provided it?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922328)
Posted by Emerje on November 18th, 2017 @ 12:29am CST

william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:It's going to take a lot of special folding to shrink down those skin panels and hide the t-rex arms.

Emerje

They shouldnt hide the T Rex arms, they are show accurate:

You don't know how long I spent trying to find a pic of the show CG model from the back.

But why waste time when I had already provided it?

I meant from before when I said they needed to be hidden. I spent a long time trying to find a shot of him from behind with no luck. Obviously going the memory route proved faulty. #-o

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922373)
Posted by fenrir72 on November 18th, 2017 @ 5:13am CST

I don't look a gift horse in the mouth on Amiami's part......if the fx rate is stable that would be around $53.00 for the tax TAX (already= to 1 MP car class ouch).

Crybaby wallet busting price is already pushing around (?) Y 21000 Dinobot costs around that range plus SALES TAXES Y 28000, Megs should/could be post PO around Y 30000 max. Lots'a time to save and save Takara and the MP line.

I hope Shinzō Abe lays off anymore taxes domestically or more crybabies down the line.

And just an icing to the cake for snmeheieiwr atedaldlep :WHISTLE:

from poster "arbit" of http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/topic/4 ... facturing/

Finally some figures to grab on in the JP setting so food for thought nice to know.

According to arbit:

"I thought that we could share our real data here to get to the bottom of it.

I will start with these responses I received from a premium toy manufacturer that is often discussed on this board. I wont name them for confidential reasons, but suffice it to say they are a medium level premium brand, not the best, not the worst:"

"What is the licensing fee: For the licensing cost, it will be ~4-6% of selling price in Japan.

What is the manufacturing cost: Depends on item, but ~55% of selling price will be the production fee (including prototype charge)

How many units have you manufactured of different items? MOQ 3,000-5,000 pcs. If too cheap item, 10,000 pcs is necessary.

How many units do you need to sell to be profitable? if over 3,000 pcs, nearly all items we can start to get profit"

Obviously nowhere near Hb and Takara levels.............

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922466)
Posted by Burn on November 18th, 2017 @ 3:22pm CST

fenrir72 wrote:Crybaby

It's interesting how you used this term on the previous page and I asked why you had to be condescending, a question you never answered.

If people choose to react negatively to the price of something, that is there prerogative, it does NOT give you the right to go around insulting them.

Have a warning.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922650)
Posted by King Kuuga on November 19th, 2017 @ 1:36pm CST

fenrir72 wrote:a bunch of stuff

I'm having a very hard time understanding whatever you're trying to say.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922659)
Posted by Emerje on November 19th, 2017 @ 2:08pm CST

King Kuuga wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:a bunch of stuff

I'm having a very hard time understanding whatever you're trying to say.

If I remember right from before I blacklisted him he was trying to say that because someone said that an unnamed company that has to outsource all of their R&D and manufacturing has to sell 10,000 units to make a profit that applies to Takara Tomy as well and if Megatron doesn't sell those numbers they'll go bankrupt. This is wrong for a number of reasons since Takara Tomy doesn't outsource their R&D and they share their factory with Hasbro greatly reducing costs. On top of that one MP failure wouldn't be enough to do any great damage to Takara Tomy on its own (which is doing perfectly find and is projecting a better than average first half of 2018, a documented fact). Just look at Tracks and Shockwave, arguably their worst selling new MP molds, they didn't kill the line.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron in the Works at Takara (1922821)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 20th, 2017 @ 11:14am CST

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with this one. I may have to get a giant purple T-Rex Masterpiece just for fun :lol: