BotCon Twitter Contest: Win a 2009 BotCon Sweep by Writing a Bio for Shattered Glass Scourge

Are you serious ??? This is why I dont even aknowledge the shattered glass story line because anyone could write it. The whole concept is like some acid tripping, mushroom eating, funkadelic s**t. Plus it's an easy way to sell repaints without resculpting their heads. I hope Botcon 2012 is not shattered glass.

Rated X wrote:Are you serious ??? This is why I dont even aknowledge the shattered glass story line because anyone could write it. The whole concept is like some acid tripping, mushroom eating, funkadelic s**t.

How so? It isn't so difficult to grasp the concept. The heroic characters are evil and vice versa. It's nothing like what you paint it to be.

Rated X wrote:Plus it's an easy way to sell repaints without resculpting their heads. I hope Botcon 2012 is not shattered glass.

So Jazz, Ricochet, Goldbug, Blurr and Megatron don't count?

Flux Convoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:Are you serious ??? This is why I dont even aknowledge the shattered glass story line because anyone could write it. The whole concept is like some acid tripping, mushroom eating, funkadelic s**t.

How so? It isn't so difficult to grasp the concept. The heroic characters are evil and vice versa. It's nothing like what you paint it to be.

Rated X wrote:Plus it's an easy way to sell repaints without resculpting their heads. I hope Botcon 2012 is not shattered glass.

So Jazz, Ricochet, Goldbug, Blurr and Megatron don't count?

As far as the storylines, it appears to be a little more complex than "The heroic characters are evil and vice versa". If that were the case, they could just keep the original characters colors and just write a story and forget the toyline. Most fans on this site describe shattered glass as "an alternate universe" or "another dimension". In other words it's some classic Cheech and Chong s**t.

As far as Jazz, Ricochet, Goldbug, Blurr and Megatron, those are figures directly produced by Hasbro/Takara. Im making reference to figures that are licensed through TFCC. In my opinion, TFCC's job is to cater to collectors. A vast majority of collectors would rather see the holes in their collection filled with the more obscure characters from existing Hasbro/Takara storylines. But on the other hand, it's pretty easy to paint the figures brown and write a comic book called splattered a**.

Rated X wrote:As far as the storylines, it appears to be a little more complex than "The heroic characters are evil and vice versa". If that were the case, they could just keep the original characters colors and just write a story and forget the toyline. Most fans on this site describe shattered glass as "an alternate universe" or "another dimension". In other words it's some classic Cheech and Chong s**t.

It isn't really any different than Marvel or DC comics having alternate universes. It's hardly much different that what I described. You're purposely distorting the facts of the matter to suit your distaste for that venture. The club does a different set of toys and theme every year. Shattered Glass, despite your ignorance of it, was wildly successful. If you're gonna bash something do it with facts.

Rated X wrote:As far as Jazz, Ricochet, Goldbug, Blurr and Megatron, those are figures directly produced by Hasbro/Takara. Im making reference to figures that are licensed through TFCC.

Obviously I'm referencing the TFCC Shattered Glass versions of these characters. I wouldn't randomly reference TF names for no purpose or explanation. All of them had remolded heads.

Rated X wrote:
In my opinion, TFCC's job is to cater to collectors. A vast majority of collectors would rather see the holes in their collection filled with the more obscure characters from existing Hasbro/Takara storylines. But on the other hand, it's pretty easy to paint the figures brown and write a comic book called splattered a**.

Your lack of acceptance or understanding for something you seem to know next to nothing about makes you appear ignorant. Again, like it or not, SG was a hit. Believe me when I tell you this, your opinion doesn't equal fact. If it makes you feel any better, neither does mine or any one else's for that matter. Lastly, what SG character is painted brown that you've got a mad on for? Pretty sure that answer is none.

Flux Convoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:As far as the storylines, it appears to be a little more complex than "The heroic characters are evil and vice versa". If that were the case, they could just keep the original characters colors and just write a story and forget the toyline. Most fans on this site describe shattered glass as "an alternate universe" or "another dimension". In other words it's some classic Cheech and Chong s**t.

It isn't really any different than Marvel or DC comics having alternate universes. It's hardly much different that what I described. You're purposely distorting the facts of the matter to suit your distaste for that venture. The club does a different set of toys and theme every year. Shattered Glass, despite your ignorance of it, was wildly successful. If you're gonna bash something do it with facts.

Rated X wrote:As far as Jazz, Ricochet, Goldbug, Blurr and Megatron, those are figures directly produced by Hasbro/Takara. Im making reference to figures that are licensed through TFCC.

Obviously I'm referencing the TFCC Shattered Glass versions of these characters. I wouldn't randomly reference TF names for no purpose or explanation. All of them had remolded heads.

Rated X wrote:
In my opinion, TFCC's job is to cater to collectors. A vast majority of collectors would rather see the holes in their collection filled with the more obscure characters from existing Hasbro/Takara storylines. But on the other hand, it's pretty easy to paint the figures brown and write a comic book called splattered a**.

Your lack of acceptance or understanding for something you seem to know next to nothing about makes you appear ignorant. Again, like it or not, SG was a hit. Believe me when I tell you this, your opinion doesn't equal fact. If it makes you feel any better, neither does mine or any one else's for that matter. Lastly, what SG character is painted brown that you've got a mad on for? Pretty sure that answer is none.

So now I sound ignorant simply because I think a concept is stupid ??? I wasn’t at Botcon 2008 so I cant tell you too much about shattered glass other than I think it is a silly storyline created to justify a set of figures that requires no modifications or creativity to make. Just swap the colors…rocket scientists.

I’m not a big comic book reader so I wouldn’t know how famous the whole “alternate universe” concept is. But if it’s been used so many times, then why did Funpub choose to beat a dead horse back in 2008 ???

In my opinion, the 2007 set was so controversial with the seeker thing that they got spooked. “Shattered Glass” was their solution not to piss off the fan base that couldn’t attend Botcon. The alleged agreement they had with Hasbro/Takara that would keep the characters Thundercracker, Thrust, and Dirge exclusive to Botcon caused uproar in the TF collector’s community. So they decided to try something really, really different in 2008 to avoid another uproar. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion on the logic behind the shattered glass line. I’m not implying that it’s what Funpub was thinking. It’s just my theory.

As far as painted brown figures and my “splattered ass” comment, I was just inducing a bit of wordplay in my humor. Surely you get the punch line ???

Rated X wrote:

So now I sound ignorant simply because I think a concept is stupid ??? I wasn’t at Botcon 2008 so I cant tell you too much about shattered glass other than I think it is a silly storyline created to justify a set of figures that requires no modifications or creativity to make. Just swap the colors…rocket scientists.

No, you sound ignorant because you don't know what you're talking about. Again, distorting the truth to fit your needs in this discussion and stating opinion like fact. I wasn't at Botcon in 05 and I can tell you what it's about, what figures were to be had what remolds were made. I know this because if I want to talk about something, good or bad, I do my research and try to learn about it. I don't make off-handed or off-color comments that downplay the blatant creativity that goes into these things. Obviously it isn't as simple as "swap the colors", not everyone in the SG universe has the same body in Classics or G1. It helps tremendously to know what you're talking about.

Rated X wrote:I’m not a big comic book reader so I wouldn’t know how famous the whole “alternate universe” concept is. But if it’s been used so many times, then why did Funpub choose to beat a dead horse back in 2008 ???

Because this specific concept had never been done in Transformers before and it was a popular concept among fans. Transformers has had multiple alternate universes. Be sure it won't ever stop. We've gotten RID, which can be argued, is the far flung future of G1. Although only Japan carries that as canon. We've gotten The Unicron trilogy, the live action movies, Animated, Prime, be sure the list will continue. You're assuming that alternate realities are a dead horse concept. If you aren't reading the fiction for these things or even paying attention to what they're actually about, your opinion of such things is hardly credible.

Rated X wrote:In my opinion, the 2007 set was so controversial with the seeker thing that they got spooked. “Shattered Glass” was their solution not to piss off the fan base that couldn’t attend Botcon. The alleged agreement they had with Hasbro/Takara that would keep the characters Thundercracker, Thrust, and Dirge exclusive to Botcon caused uproar in the TF collector’s community. So they decided to try something really, really different in 2008 to avoid another uproar. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion on the logic behind the shattered glass line. I’m not implying that it’s what Funpub was thinking. It’s just my theory.

This your opinion and theory. I do not share it. I don't bother thinking about the logistics of those decisions so much. We aren't likely to ever know anyway.

Rated X wrote:As far as painted brown figures and my “splattered ass” comment, I was just inducing a bit of wordplay in my humor. Surely you get the punch line ???

I get it. Just a thought, you know all those Wreck-Gars in your sig? They're all pretty brown. Just sayin'.

Back on topic, a winner was chosen: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scourge_%28SG%29 So we can add Shattered Glass Scourge to the list of TFCC SG figures with remolded heads. Although, this guy is admittedly a cheat. From two years ago, no less.

Flux Convoy wrote:Back on topic, a winner was chosen: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scourge_%28SG%29 So we can add Shattered Glass Scourge to the list of TFCC SG figures with remolded heads. Although, this guy is admittedly a cheat. From two years ago, no less.

And someone already repurposed a Sweep for SG Scourge, and BotCon Scourge for a SG Sweep.

Flux Convoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:

So now I sound ignorant simply because I think a concept is stupid ??? I wasn’t at Botcon 2008 so I cant tell you too much about shattered glass other than I think it is a silly storyline created to justify a set of figures that requires no modifications or creativity to make. Just swap the colors…rocket scientists.

No, you sound ignorant because you don't know what you're talking about. Again, distorting the truth to fit your needs in this discussion and stating opinion like fact. I wasn't at Botcon in 05 and I can tell you what it's about, what figures were to be had what remolds were made. I know this because if I want to talk about something, good or bad, I do my research and try to learn about it. I don't make off-handed or off-color comments that downplay the blatant creativity that goes into these things. Obviously it isn't as simple as "swap the colors", not everyone in the SG universe has the same body in Classics or G1. It helps tremendously to know what you're talking about.

Rated X wrote:I’m not a big comic book reader so I wouldn’t know how famous the whole “alternate universe” concept is. But if it’s been used so many times, then why did Funpub choose to beat a dead horse back in 2008 ???

Because this specific concept had never been done in Transformers before and it was a popular concept among fans. Transformers has had multiple alternate universes. Be sure it won't ever stop. We've gotten RID, which can be argued, is the far flung future of G1. Although only Japan carries that as canon. We've gotten The Unicron trilogy, the live action movies, Animated, Prime, be sure the list will continue. You're assuming that alternate realities are a dead horse concept. If you aren't reading the fiction for these things or even paying attention to what they're actually about, your opinion of such things is hardly credible.

Rated X wrote:In my opinion, the 2007 set was so controversial with the seeker thing that they got spooked. “Shattered Glass” was their solution not to piss off the fan base that couldn’t attend Botcon. The alleged agreement they had with Hasbro/Takara that would keep the characters Thundercracker, Thrust, and Dirge exclusive to Botcon caused uproar in the TF collector’s community. So they decided to try something really, really different in 2008 to avoid another uproar. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion on the logic behind the shattered glass line. I’m not implying that it’s what Funpub was thinking. It’s just my theory.

This your opinion and theory. I do not share it. I don't bother thinking about the logistics of those decisions so much. We aren't likely to ever know anyway.

Rated X wrote:As far as painted brown figures and my “splattered ass” comment, I was just inducing a bit of wordplay in my humor. Surely you get the punch line ???

I get it. Just a thought, you know all those Wreck-Gars in your sig? They're all pretty brown. Just sayin'.

When I use the term “alternate universe” I am referring to a time warp or dimension where everything is backwards. I don’t consider The Unicron Trilogy, RID, or Movieverse alternate dimensions. I consider them to be re-incarnations of the constantly evolving Transformers timeline. I say this because the figures molds were cast specifically for the cartoon. With Shattered Glass it seems to be the other way around. The cartoon (comic) was created after the molds already existed. So basically anything goes in writing the storyline. What one person may see as creative the next person may see as stupid.

Could I “do my research” by actually reading the comic ??? Of course I could. But no amount of knowledge on shattered glass is going to sway me over so why bother ??? I flat out don’t like the concept.

And my Junkions are very brown because the planet they live on is a pile of s**t.

Rated X wrote:When I use the term “alternate universe” I am referring to a time warp or dimension where everything is backwards. I don’t consider The Unicron Trilogy, RID, or Movieverse alternate dimensions. I consider them to be re-incarnations of the constantly evolving Transformers timeline.

You can think that if you like but it's still not using the terms correctly. It's sort of like insisting that peanut butter is jelly. Some things just simply are.

Rated X wrote:I say this because the figures molds were cast specifically for the cartoon. With Shattered Glass it seems to be the other way around. The cartoon (comic) was created after the molds already existed. So basically anything goes in writing the storyline. What one person may see as creative the next person may see as stupid.

This has been done for every single Botcon theme and figure yet. None of them are unique, original figure molds. Begrudging a specific set over that, you should be condemning Botcon themes and figures completely.

Rated X wrote:Could I “do my research” by actually reading the comic ??? Of course I could. But no amount of knowledge on shattered glass is going to sway me over so why bother ??? I flat out don’t like the concept.

You could do that and give it a fair shot or you could just look up the wiki entry. The point is, if you're going to attempt to tear something down because you don't like it, be armed with the facts. Otherwise it simply sounds ignorant. I hated Beast Wars with a passion until I gave it a chance. Once I eventually did I truly regretted that original stance. It's my favorite point in the whole of TF fiction.

Rated X wrote:And my Junkions are very brown because the planet they live on is a pile of s**t.

Junk but whatever. I always kinda wondered why all the junk was reddish brown. Seems like more of a planet of rust. Eh, who knows?

Flux Convoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:When I use the term “alternate universe” I am referring to a time warp or dimension where everything is backwards. I don’t consider The Unicron Trilogy, RID, or Movieverse alternate dimensions. I consider them to be re-incarnations of the constantly evolving Transformers timeline.

You can think that if you like but it's still not using the terms correctly. It's sort of like insisting that peanut butter is jelly. Some things just simply are.

Rated X wrote:I say this because the figures molds were cast specifically for the cartoon. With Shattered Glass it seems to be the other way around. The cartoon (comic) was created after the molds already existed. So basically anything goes in writing the storyline. What one person may see as creative the next person may see as stupid.

This has been done for every single Botcon theme and figure yet. None of them are unique, original figure molds. Begrudging a specific set over that, you should be condemning Botcon themes and figures completely.

Rated X wrote:Could I “do my research” by actually reading the comic ??? Of course I could. But no amount of knowledge on shattered glass is going to sway me over so why bother ??? I flat out don’t like the concept.

You could do that and give it a fair shot or you could just look up the wiki entry. The point is, if you're going to attempt to tear something down because you don't like it, be armed with the facts. Otherwise it simply sounds ignorant. I hated Beast Wars with a passion until I gave it a chance. Once I eventually did I truly regretted that original stance. It's my favorite point in the whole of TF fiction.

Rated X wrote:And my Junkions are very brown because the planet they live on is a pile of s**t.

Junk but whatever. I always kinda wondered why all the junk was reddish brown. Seems like more of a planet of rust. Eh, who knows?

Well we obviously both got different opinions on what classifies as an “alternate universe”. You might see it more from a general comic book perspective while I may see it based on what science fiction movies and cartoons have depicted it as. Who’s to say who’s wrong or right ???

The most popular Botcon sets seem to be the ones from 2007 to the present after the introduction of the classics line. If you were to axe the Funpub storylines altogether, the 2007, 2010, and 2011 sets could easily be passed as homage sets with no storylines at all. The 2008 shattered glass set needs a storyline to make sense. Whether the 2009 Wings of Honor set needs a storyline or if it can pass off a homage set is debatable.

As far as doing my research before attacking something I offer this:

We didn’t study Osama’s point of view. We walked in and shot the bastard in the head because his point of view sucks.

I gave beast wars a chance. But as fans we really had no say in beast wars existing because it was a Hasbro creation. But once again I repeat my stance that the so called “Transformers Collectors Club” should be catering to collectors and their wants rather than hitting all the way in the left field and hoping for a home run. Maybe they got lucky with shattered glass. But who’s to say their next wild idea wont flop ??? Their buddies at Hasbro have hade their share of flops with the most recent being Power Core Combiners.

And metal junk does rust if the right weather conditions are present in the Junkion atmosphere.

Rated X wrote:Well we obviously both got different opinions on what classifies as an “alternate universe”. You might see it more from a general comic book perspective while I may see it based on what science fiction movies and cartoons have depicted it as. Who’s to say who’s wrong or right ???

Anyone can tell you. I told you. Alternate universes are, by definition, alternate versions of what you're familiar with. It doesn't matter what medium they're used in. Nothing in any of the Botcon fiction involves or resembles the use of psychadelics or Cheech and Chong themes in any regard. Like I said opinions are not facts. I'm telling you facts.

Rated X wrote:The most popular Botcon sets seem to be the ones from 2007 to the present after the introduction of the classics line. If you were to axe the Funpub storylines altogether, the 2007, 2010, and 2011 sets could easily be passed as homage sets with no storylines at all. The 2008 shattered glass set needs a storyline to make sense. Whether the 2009 Wings of Honor set needs a storyline or if it can pass off a homage set is debatable.

This again, is your opinion. Try placing your hands on Megatron from 06 for under $500 on the after market. Try that again with SG Rodimus. As far as homages? Every Funpub set has had ties to G1 except for this year being Animated. Don't believe it? Do the research, find out for yourself. Fact, 09 is only slightly more successful/popular than 05 and even that year seems it might be on an upswing. While we're at it, why would any of these sets need fiction? We could make it all up ourselves and have it make sense. That or we could get a fun comic with each set with great art, colors and generally decent-good writing. Again, you're relying on opinion to make your case for you.

Rated X wrote:As far as doing my research before attacking something I offer this:

We didn’t study Osama’s point of view. We walked in and shot the bastard in the head because his point of view sucks.

By we, you mean the US government who I guarantee you, studied his philosophy long before the moment he was killed? You mean we didn't do recon and research of where he was, who might be with him and weapons he might possibly have at his disposal? If you believe that then you aren't thinking clearly. What does this have to do with anything? It certainly doesn't relate to any one thing we've been talking about.

Rated X wrote:I gave beast wars a chance. But as fans we really had no say in beast wars existing because it was a Hasbro creation. But once again I repeat my stance that the so called “Transformers Collectors Club” should be catering to collectors and their wants rather than hitting all the way in the left field and hoping for a home run. Maybe they got lucky with shattered glass. But who’s to say their next wild idea wont flop ??? Their buddies at Hasbro have hade their share of flops with the most recent being Power Core Combiners.

Not every last figure is going to be a hit. We don't have much of a say in what the club does either. Not saying I agree with it but most of it works out well with the majority of their fan base. That's all any business can strive for. You can never please everyone.

Rated X wrote:And metal junk does rust if the right weather conditions are present in the Junkion atmosphere.

I would think that would be fairly obvious. So to sum up, you're defending an opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. You refuse to accept fact as it's presented. You seem to want to argue your opinion for the sake of arguing. This is my last response to you on this matter because it feels like I'm repeatedly beating my head against a wall. You can think whatever you like or want but the truth of the matter is that your outlandish comments and disregard for something you dislike is in fact an ignorant stance. You don't have to like what I like. Hell, you don't have to like anything for all I care. When someone tells you that you're wrong and presents facts to you to prove it, it's time to accept the truth of the matter.

Either way...seriously hoping Scourge isn't the only one we see for this year's SG Botcon stuff. I was kinda hoping for Shockwave myself since we have a (redeco Shockblast) design for him now.

Flux Convoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well we obviously both got different opinions on what classifies as an “alternate universe”. You might see it more from a general comic book perspective while I may see it based on what science fiction movies and cartoons have depicted it as. Who’s to say who’s wrong or right ???

Anyone can tell you. I told you. Alternate universes are, by definition, alternate versions of what you're familiar with. It doesn't matter what medium they're used in. Nothing in any of the Botcon fiction involves or resembles the use of psychadelics or Cheech and Chong themes in any regard. Like I said opinions are not facts. I'm telling you facts.

Rated X wrote:The most popular Botcon sets seem to be the ones from 2007 to the present after the introduction of the classics line. If you were to axe the Funpub storylines altogether, the 2007, 2010, and 2011 sets could easily be passed as homage sets with no storylines at all. The 2008 shattered glass set needs a storyline to make sense. Whether the 2009 Wings of Honor set needs a storyline or if it can pass off a homage set is debatable.

This again, is your opinion. Try placing your hands on Megatron from 06 for under $500 on the after market. Try that again with SG Rodimus. As far as homages? Every Funpub set has had ties to G1 except for this year being Animated. Don't believe it? Do the research, find out for yourself. Fact, 09 is only slightly more successful/popular than 05 and even that year seems it might be on an upswing. While we're at it, why would any of these sets need fiction? We could make it all up ourselves and have it make sense. That or we could get a fun comic with each set with great art, colors and generally decent-good writing. Again, you're relying on opinion to make your case for you.

Rated X wrote:As far as doing my research before attacking something I offer this:

We didn’t study Osama’s point of view. We walked in and shot the bastard in the head because his point of view sucks.

By we, you mean the US government who I guarantee you, studied his philosophy long before the moment he was killed? You mean we didn't do recon and research of where he was, who might be with him and weapons he might possibly have at his disposal? If you believe that then you aren't thinking clearly. What does this have to do with anything? It certainly doesn't relate to any one thing we've been talking about.

Rated X wrote:I gave beast wars a chance. But as fans we really had no say in beast wars existing because it was a Hasbro creation. But once again I repeat my stance that the so called “Transformers Collectors Club” should be catering to collectors and their wants rather than hitting all the way in the left field and hoping for a home run. Maybe they got lucky with shattered glass. But who’s to say their next wild idea wont flop ??? Their buddies at Hasbro have hade their share of flops with the most recent being Power Core Combiners.

Not every last figure is going to be a hit. We don't have much of a say in what the club does either. Not saying I agree with it but most of it works out well with the majority of their fan base. That's all any business can strive for. You can never please everyone.

Rated X wrote:And metal junk does rust if the right weather conditions are present in the Junkion atmosphere.

I would think that would be fairly obvious. So to sum up, you're defending an opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. You refuse to accept fact as it's presented. You seem to want to argue your opinion for the sake of arguing. This is my last response to you on this matter because it feels like I'm repeatedly beating my head against a wall. You can think whatever you like or want but the truth of the matter is that your outlandish comments and disregard for something you dislike is in fact an ignorant stance. You don't have to like what I like. Hell, you don't have to like anything for all I care. When someone tells you that you're wrong and presents facts to you to prove it, it's time to accept the truth of the matter.

I will respond because I know you saved this outdated link just to debate with me. (Don’t get offended I did too because this is fun)

On alternate dimensions: I believe plenty of movies (and drugs) have portrayed alternate dimensions in a completely different light than the stereotypical comic book vision. While it may not be a dictionary definition, were talking about something that science hasn’t yet proven actually exists. So anybody can define “alternate dimension” in their own words and still be theoretically correct. Unless you were specifically talking about the definition of the “Shattered Glass” alternate dimension. However, I’m not talking about Shattered Glass specifically, but rather about the general concept of alternate dimensions that vary from different sources throughout humanity. Have you ever visited an alternate dimension? If you’re white did you come out black or vice versa when you visited?

On Homages: I meant “G1 Homages” but I thought that was self explanatory. It appears most pre-2007 Botcon sets were geared toward the Unicron trilogy and Beast Wars eras.

On Osama: We have only studied his point of view to catch or kill him. We never studied his views to judge the possibility he might be justified for having them. (As your implying I should do with shattered glass)

On Junk: Since were getting all technical, how come you haven’t pointed out that the lack of oxygen on the Junkion planet shouldn’t allow things to rust ? This can be explained by Daniel having to wear an exo-suit to breathe outside of the ship. I’m sure the G1 script writers didn’t even think of that because they wanted the landscape to look cool.

To sum it up: Although I disagree with you’re point of view, I would welcome to discuss this and anything else Transformers related over a few beers at Botcon 2012 if you attend. Just PM me.

Peace.

A couple of weeks ago BotCon called upon fans to come up with a bio for Shattered Glass Scourge (BotCon 2009 Sweep), today they've revealed the selected bio and Shattered Glass Scourge's full MTMTE style profile. Check out the profile mirrored from the BotCon twitter feed below.

Oooo, me likey Gimme a Sweep right now!

Since we have a Classics Scourge now, repurposing this old exclusive for SG seems like a great idea.

SG as a whole isn't what I'm into, but I don't really get the hate ...

SG Scourge sounds a bit like a mix of Kup and Alpha Trion.

I called the re-purposing of into Scourge months back. Anyways, I like the bio, it's better than the one I came up with.

I get what Rated X is saying.
Sure, its a different universe, but the fact that the sides are switched just seems a little boring to me, even if theres some wacky reasoning behind it; the end product is still Decepticons are righteous and Autobots are malignant (As a Decepticon, this is how I see it anyway ). I don't care about repaints though. Sure, they suck when you don't want identical moulds taking up precious shelf space, but atleast it draws in more money for new moulds (and offers variety since we probably wouldn't have gotten a decent Blurr or Wheeljack as soon as we did).

I really like this mould, and would gladly take a few of these for the sweeps (generations scourge being... scourge).
Although, Ratbat is pretty sick a use of this mould too... If I were to have just one, which would you guys recommend?

nice bio, i was going to submit something, but this was better written and more interesting than anything i would write. good job.

its a bit more interesting than just the factions being switched, its more about what would it take for a good character to become evil i think. its hardly deep though, but i appreciate that theres fiction without a real line of toys to sell, it feels almost like an honest venture to tell a neat story for once.

Astronopolis wrote:
its a bit more interesting than just the factions being switched, its more about what would it take for a good character to become evil i think.

Ah, thats pretty cool, I dig that sorta idea. But I wish more of that existed in the more central stories being told, and not off on its own. I'd love to see more comics and shows where characters have identity crisis (sooooooorta like Starscream in prime... sorta).

wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.


i want a new tf series with new characters and yes i mean NO MEGATRON, OPTIMUS PRIME, AND SO ON.
even new faction names would be nice too

seriously i wonder if someone at hasbro/ takara has brought up the idea of just a new start on transformers

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.

Well Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is by far the least rehashed Optimus Prime in existence. All that remain the same are he looks like Optimus Prime and He leads the Autobots.

Everything else is pretty much not a rehash.

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.


i want a new tf series with new characters and yes i mean NO MEGATRON, OPTIMUS PRIME, AND SO ON.
even new faction names would be nice too

seriously i wonder if someone at hasbro/ takara has brought up the idea of just a new start on transformers

So you don't want Transformers it sounds like. Energon was given that 'new take' moniker. Scorponok started as leader and Megatron was dead.

Problem is, they want to sell products that are recognizable, so that they get kids and adults to buy these things for kids.

Beast Wars is pretty different. It's not Prime and Megatron... well not technically.

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.


i want a new tf series with new characters and yes i mean NO MEGATRON, OPTIMUS PRIME, AND SO ON.
even new faction names would be nice too

seriously i wonder if someone at hasbro/ takara has brought up the idea of just a new start on transformers

So you don't want Transformers it sounds like. Energon was given that 'new take' moniker. Scorponok started as leader and Megatron was dead.

Problem is, they want to sell products that are recognizable, so that they get kids and adults to buy these things for kids.

Beast Wars is pretty different. It's not Prime and Megatron... well not technically.

lol what do you mean i dont want transformers. "Transformers" is just a title which can be given to anything as long as it has something turning into something else.

just like how every gundam series is called gundam but the characters dont get reused or anything? like how gundam wing has different characters then earlier gundam shows

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.


i want a new tf series with new characters and yes i mean NO MEGATRON, OPTIMUS PRIME, AND SO ON.
even new faction names would be nice too

seriously i wonder if someone at hasbro/ takara has brought up the idea of just a new start on transformers

So you don't want Transformers it sounds like. Energon was given that 'new take' moniker. Scorponok started as leader and Megatron was dead.

Problem is, they want to sell products that are recognizable, so that they get kids and adults to buy these things for kids.

Beast Wars is pretty different. It's not Prime and Megatron... well not technically.

lol what do you mean i dont want transformers. "Transformers" is just a title which can be given to anything as long as it has something turning into something else.

just like how every gundam series is called gundam but the characters dont get reused or anything? like how gundam wing has different characters then earlier gundam shows

I get what you're saying and most collectors would be cool with it, but HASBRO is not willing to lose their flagship characters and replace with questionable unknowns. See Transformers, Star Wars, and G.I.Joe.

Every toy line includes new toys and characters, but also rehashes notable 'big guns', ie- Duke, Snake Eyes, Cobra Commander, Storm Shadow, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, to name a few.

You will notice that G1 Transformers in the US got canned once Headmasters came about right? No Optimus, no Megatron, and they canceled the season.

They balked on picking up and even allowing release of the Japanese g1 series Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory-- and they are also lacking in the flagship known characters.

And 'Transformers' is copyrighted to HASBRO and they won't call just anything Transformers, well, they do call those stupid crossovers Transformers, but in their minds the toys are TFs, so anyway.

Your opinion is awesome, it just seems that HASBRO feels like they've tried and failed your way, or at least considered it, and balked.

If anyone read TF: Exodus, another reason to shattered glass might be the result of Orion Pax being too power-hungry after being elected as a prime, while megatron tride to persuade him to follow him the revolution of cybertron.


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tigertracks 24 wrote:

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:wanna know a problem that i have with tf series now?

they keep on rehashing the same characters and stories.

shattered glass is the same thing just OH NO THE AUTOBOTS ARE EVIL.


i want a new tf series with new characters and yes i mean NO MEGATRON, OPTIMUS PRIME, AND SO ON.
even new faction names would be nice too

seriously i wonder if someone at hasbro/ takara has brought up the idea of just a new start on transformers

So you don't want Transformers it sounds like. Energon was given that 'new take' moniker. Scorponok started as leader and Megatron was dead.

Problem is, they want to sell products that are recognizable, so that they get kids and adults to buy these things for kids.

Beast Wars is pretty different. It's not Prime and Megatron... well not technically.

lol what do you mean i dont want transformers. "Transformers" is just a title which can be given to anything as long as it has something turning into something else.

just like how every gundam series is called gundam but the characters dont get reused or anything? like how gundam wing has different characters then earlier gundam shows

I get what you're saying and most collectors would be cool with it, but HASBRO is not willing to lose their flagship characters and replace with questionable unknowns. See Transformers, Star Wars, and G.I.Joe.

Every toy line includes new toys and characters, but also rehashes notable 'big guns', ie- Duke, Snake Eyes, Cobra Commander, Storm Shadow, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, to name a few.

You will notice that G1 Transformers in the US got canned once Headmasters came about right? No Optimus, no Megatron, and they canceled the season.

They balked on picking up and even allowing release of the Japanese g1 series Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory-- and they are also lacking in the flagship known characters.

And 'Transformers' is copyrighted to HASBRO and they won't call just anything Transformers, well, they do call those stupid crossovers Transformers, but in their minds the toys are TFs, so anyway.

Your opinion is awesome, it just seems that HASBRO feels like they've tried and failed your way, or at least considered it, and balked.

And speaking of Gundam, designs have been reused for that. There's at least one mech design that is consistent throughout the franchise: that of the main hero.