Even More Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks: Inferno, Elita One, Moonracer

Elita looks bloody incredible! Lean and imposing with a lot of bulk behind her. If there was any direct Transformers counterpart for 'toned' this would be it. ... I just hope it translates as well to the toy.

I thought Inferno was to be a retool of Hot Spot, not Onslaught. Look at the shoulders.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I thought Inferno was to be a retool of Hot Spot, not Onslaught. Look at the shoulders.

Yeah, but look at the back. Looks like a bit of both. Possibly some added parts for the Enigma of Combination and Prime Masters.

Kurona wrote:Elita looks bloody incredible! Lean and imposing with a lot of bulk behind her. If there was any direct Transformers counterpart for 'toned' this would be it. ... I just hope it translates as well to the toy.

Totally agreed. If the toy ends up looking like her depiction in the art it'll be an instabuy from me. Admittedly, my expectations are tempered by the knowledge that she's being retooled (or even redecoed if worst comes to worst) from the Puffmaster himself, but hopefully they'll find a way to shave off that extra ballooniness from the mold for this iteration. Put me down as tentatively hopeful

Aw, was kind of hoping it would be Beast Wars Inferno before I saw the pictures. No glory for the colony today.

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:Elita looks bloody incredible! Lean and imposing with a lot of bulk behind her. If there was any direct Transformers counterpart for 'toned' this would be it. ... I just hope it translates as well to the toy.

Totally agreed. If the toy ends up looking like her depiction in the art it'll be an instabuy from me. Admittedly, my expectations are tempered by the knowledge that she's being retooled (or even redecoed if worst comes to worst) from the Puffmaster himself, but hopefully they'll find a way to shave off that extra ballooniness from the mold for this iteration. Put me down as tentatively hopeful

her arms look way different than statscreams so stay hopeful

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:Elita looks bloody incredible! Lean and imposing with a lot of bulk behind her. If there was any direct Transformers counterpart for 'toned' this would be it. ... I just hope it translates as well to the toy.

Totally agreed. If the toy ends up looking like her depiction in the art it'll be an instabuy from me. Admittedly, my expectations are tempered by the knowledge that she's being retooled (or even redecoed if worst comes to worst) from the Puffmaster himself, but hopefully they'll find a way to shave off that extra ballooniness from the mold for this iteration. Put me down as tentatively hopeful

She's got to be able to combine and support limbs so don't put your expectations to the point of being improbable also don't be relying on art work. Abominus isn't going to look like that art. He won't have the monster heads on the legs, his chest is not one solid piece and the tail on the back is incorrect. It's art mimicking the original toy and model.

Same as volcanicus, his art proportions do not look like th toy.

The truth is the artist who drew them was given pictures and designs and they drew it, with Elita they were told "it's a Starscream retool as elite one" and I guarantee the artist made it by looking up pictures of elita from the cartoon and given pictures of Starscreams toy

I mean honestly, look at moonracer. That’s the cartoon model. She doesn’t look like her toy at all.

Randomhero wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:Elita looks bloody incredible! Lean and imposing with a lot of bulk behind her. If there was any direct Transformers counterpart for 'toned' this would be it. ... I just hope it translates as well to the toy.

Totally agreed. If the toy ends up looking like her depiction in the art it'll be an instabuy from me. Admittedly, my expectations are tempered by the knowledge that she's being retooled (or even redecoed if worst comes to worst) from the Puffmaster himself, but hopefully they'll find a way to shave off that extra ballooniness from the mold for this iteration. Put me down as tentatively hopeful

She's got to be able to combine and support limbs so don't put your expectations to the point of being improbable also don't be relying on art work. Abominus isn't going to look like that art. He won't have the monster heads on the legs, his chest is not one solid piece and the tail on the back is incorrect. It's art mimicking the original toy and model.

Same as volcanicus, his art proportions do not look like th toy.

The truth is the artist who drew them was given pictures and designs and they drew it, with Elita they were told "it's a Starscream retool as elite one" and I guarantee the artist made it by looking up pictures of elita from the cartoon and given pictures of Starscreams toy

I mean honestly, look at moonracer. That’s the cartoon model. She doesn’t look like her toy at all.

Also true, but given that Pyra Magna (using probably the second- or third-best torso mold in CW) looked perfectly feminine enough to me I wouldn't put it out of the question. Artistic liberties aside, all I really need is for them to retool those forearms - they're looking better on Starscream as time goes by but I still wouldn't call them "good", so if they can drop those down to adequate litheness that's all I'd really need to consider buying her.

Totally agreed with the point about artistic liberties in this line as a whole, though. The art has, so far, been a pretty bad indicator of what the toys are gonna look like. Still, one can only hope that the as-yet unseen toys will end up closer to their super-nice-looking art than the ones that we've seen both for so far.

Randomhero wrote:
The truth is the artist who drew them was given pictures and designs and they drew it, with Elita they were told "it's a Starscream retool as elite one" and I guarantee the artist made it by looking up pictures of elita from the cartoon and given pictures of Starscreams toy

I mean honestly, look at moonracer. That’s the cartoon model. She doesn’t look like her toy at all.

Doesn't even read as Elita to me. More like puffy Starscream trying to disguise as Elita like some bad cosplay. Moonracer art looks ok but she always had a pretty bland design to begin with.

I don’t think you’ll be getting much of retooling in the arms. The way people found out Starscream was a combiner was because he has combiner ports in the arms so Elita will probably have the same arms but different hands.

I think the extent of retooling will be like Pyra Magna. New head, chest, hands with new feet and thighs maybe. Those lower legs and arms needs to be the same to support limbs.

Like I said let’s not get too crazy with the art. Titans return Chromedome Nautuca and Kup are great examples of their art not reflecting the final product.

They might get lazy and do a fire convoy out of Inferno, I'm still hoping for the autobot rescue force out of liokaiser though it's not likely to happen or be some uber exclusive that I'll never get.

I wouldn't mind one

The artwork probably has taken a few creative liberties with the designs, that Elita art is nice of course, but I'm not expecting the final product to look exactly like it. I'm guessing she'll keep Starscream's Popeye arms for the Combiner ports.
I do wonder if Starscream, Elita and Inferno will get their own dedicated Combiner limbs as the line goes on, or if Volcanicus and Abominus will be the only proper teams. Also, it won't happen, but part of me wishes a Nexus Prime Combiner would happen in wave 5 or 6. It would be easy enough to do with existing moulds.

I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

Prowl4 wrote:I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

Now that's a damn good idea!

Autobot Roadburn wrote:Aw, was kind of hoping it would be Beast Wars Inferno before I saw the pictures. No glory for the colony today.

You haven't heard? John Warden considers Beast Wars "too obscure" for this brand.

No joke.

Yeah, inferno is an odd one. Doesn't look bad, but I do get the feeling it was "hey, who can we use a fire engine for?". The idea of using it instead as fire convoy/rid prime and then having the torso homage omega prime would have been very neat, expecting some shapeways heads to show up for that purpose.

Elita looks sensational, I really hope they nail her buff look as much as it seems like they will. If anything, the odd proportions for starscream (a weedy, conniving figure) might better suit elita (a stone cold badass). The only question is, how long before I take an xacto or something to the side of her helmet? I was really hoping that if the combined form had the full head, her individual robot mode would have the iconic battle damage, but it seems like I'm outta luck there.

Finally, a definitely-very-serious-and-important-question: last time around we had HandFootGuns, or HFGs. What does that make these then? HandHeelspurArmours/HHAs? I'm clutching at straws here, someone help me out
(And yes, I think the colouration of dreadwind's is deliberately meant to evoke the powermaster rather than just a tacked on black blob. Perhaps also to allow integration to the combined jet and hence bulk it up a little?)

I love how the bios for the Prime Masters tell us to "imagine" the powers at work. You just know if they didn't someone would try to sue Hasbro for selling a toy that can't actually control time.

I get the feeling Inferno was made because he was yet another one of the 1984-1985 Autobot Cars that were being made into Combiners in CW. The TCC prose story "Lively Pursuit" strongly implied that Inferno was to have been the torso of one more Hasbro CW Combiner that never got released called Firestormer, whose limbs would have consisted of four other unreleased-at-retail-the-time 1984-1985 Autobot Cars: Hoist (CW Trailbreaker's pretool), Ratchet (who saw release only as the BotCon 2016 custom class figure), Bluestreak (who only saw release in the TFSS), and Sideswipe (a potential straight redeco of CW Breakdown).

That Inferno gets to see the light of day at all, let alone as a mass retail Hasbro release two-three years after the line he was developed for has ended, is a bit remarkable.

Burn wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

Now that's a damn good idea!

They would be a small bridge from rescue bot fans to chug fans then and they already are known through their tv series and IDW could certainly expand upon them. I'm just surprised hasbro don't see these angles rather than constantly reverting to characters not really seen since g1.

No, see, you don't understand. Characters like Heatwave, Bulkhead and Cheetor are faaaar too obscure to put in Generations. Now Inferno? Wolfwire? Dreadwind? Everyone knows who they are.

Sodan-1 wrote:I love how the bios for the Prime Masters tell us to "imagine" the powers at work. You just know if they didn't someone would try to sue Hasbro for selling a toy that can't actually control time.

The "Imagine the Power!" aspect of the Prime Masters is a bit lame in my opinion. They'd be better if they were like Mini-Cons or Cyber Planet Keys where you plug it in to the main figure and it unlocks some flip-out weaponry. I'd have happily taken that over more Combiners.

Kurona wrote:No, see, you don't understand. Characters like Heatwave, Bulkhead and Cheetor are faaaar too obscure to put in Generations. Now Inferno? Wolfwire? Dreadwind? Everyone knows who they are.

As far as I'm concerned, the "Too obscure" argument became invalid the second Lione and Shuffler happened. Speaking of which, where the Hell is Toraizer?

Munkky wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, see, you don't understand. Characters like Heatwave, Bulkhead and Cheetor are faaaar too obscure to put in Generations. Now Inferno? Wolfwire? Dreadwind? Everyone knows who they are.

As far as I'm concerned, the "Too obscure" argument became invalid the second Lione and Shuffler happened. Speaking of which, where the Hell is Toraizer?

There's no point arguing when the guy in charge is clearly a diehard hater who probably goes to sleep mumbling to himself 'TRUKK NOT MUNKY!' as he start having nightmare at the fact he was forced to have a hand in a new Optimal Optimus figure.

Munkky wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, see, you don't understand. Characters like Heatwave, Bulkhead and Cheetor are faaaar too obscure to put in Generations. Now Inferno? Wolfwire? Dreadwind? Everyone knows who they are.

As far as I'm concerned, the "Too obscure" argument became invalid the second Lione and Shuffler happened. Speaking of which, where the Hell is Toraizer?

I think you need to understand perspective. From Warden's perspective, those are integral characters of his fandom. Beast wars, Rescuebots, Animated, those are shows he's heard exist but they're not part of anything he cares about.

Sabrblade wrote:I get the feeling Inferno was made because he was yet another one of the 1984-1985 Autobot Cars that were being made into Combiners in CW. The TCC prose story "Lively Pursuit" strongly implied that Inferno was to have been the torso of one more Hasbro CW Combiner that never got released called Firestormer, whose limbs would have consisted of four other unreleased-at-retail-the-time 1984-1985 Autobot Cars: Hoist (CW Trailbreaker's pretool), Ratchet (who saw release only as the BotCon 2016 custom class figure), Bluestreak (who only saw release in the TFSS), and Sideswipe (a potential straight redeco of CW Breakdown).

That Inferno gets to see the light of day at all, let alone as a mass retail Hasbro release two-three years after the line he was developed for has ended, is a bit remarkable.

Well hell... Since we've tackled so many of the 84-85, let's just finish it up.

Swap Sideswipe with Red Alert. Give Inferno Jazz and the other Blue/Silverstreak deco.

Then, make a Grapple and give him Sideswipe, Hoist and Tracks and Skids, maybe?

Sabrblade wrote:I get the feeling Inferno was made because he was yet another one of the 1984-1985 Autobot Cars that were being made into Combiners in CW. The TCC prose story "Lively Pursuit" strongly implied that Inferno was to have been the torso of one more Hasbro CW Combiner that never got released called Firestormer, whose limbs would have consisted of four other unreleased-at-retail-the-time 1984-1985 Autobot Cars: Hoist (CW Trailbreaker's pretool), Ratchet (who saw release only as the BotCon 2016 custom class figure), Bluestreak (who only saw release in the TFSS), and Sideswipe (a potential straight redeco of CW Breakdown).

That Inferno gets to see the light of day at all, let alone as a mass retail Hasbro release two-three years after the line he was developed for has ended, is a bit remarkable.

I would love to know if thats true, but TFCC has long made figures out of current molds anyway. Inferno from Hot Spot takes about 2 seconds to come up with. So I wouldnt rely on a story to prove Hasbro intentions.

The real indicator would be if Takara Ratchet came from TFCC tooling, or if TFCC used the tooling because Hasbro said "Nah, we're not gonna get to that." that might indicate more as to whether or bot there was another combiner on the chopping block

Flashwave wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I get the feeling Inferno was made because he was yet another one of the 1984-1985 Autobot Cars that were being made into Combiners in CW. The TCC prose story "Lively Pursuit" strongly implied that Inferno was to have been the torso of one more Hasbro CW Combiner that never got released called Firestormer, whose limbs would have consisted of four other unreleased-at-retail-the-time 1984-1985 Autobot Cars: Hoist (CW Trailbreaker's pretool), Ratchet (who saw release only as the BotCon 2016 custom class figure), Bluestreak (who only saw release in the TFSS), and Sideswipe (a potential straight redeco of CW Breakdown).

That Inferno gets to see the light of day at all, let alone as a mass retail Hasbro release two-three years after the line he was developed for has ended, is a bit remarkable.

I would love to know if thats true, but TFCC has long made figures out of current molds anyway. Inferno from Hot Spot takes about 2 seconds to come up with. So I wouldnt rely on a story to prove Hasbro intentions.

The real indicator would be if Takara Ratchet came from TFCC tooling, or if TFCC used the tooling because Hasbro said "Nah, we're not gonna get to that." that might indicate more as to whether or bot there was another combiner on the chopping block

But we've known since the first aid tooling was released that there was a ratchet head.

I like how Elita's use of Vector Prime gets her her powers used in the cartoon. Stopping/freezing manipulating time. Super like!

Flashwave wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I get the feeling Inferno was made because he was yet another one of the 1984-1985 Autobot Cars that were being made into Combiners in CW. The TCC prose story "Lively Pursuit" strongly implied that Inferno was to have been the torso of one more Hasbro CW Combiner that never got released called Firestormer, whose limbs would have consisted of four other unreleased-at-retail-the-time 1984-1985 Autobot Cars: Hoist (CW Trailbreaker's pretool), Ratchet (who saw release only as the BotCon 2016 custom class figure), Bluestreak (who only saw release in the TFSS), and Sideswipe (a potential straight redeco of CW Breakdown).

That Inferno gets to see the light of day at all, let alone as a mass retail Hasbro release two-three years after the line he was developed for has ended, is a bit remarkable.

I would love to know if thats true, but TFCC has long made figures out of current molds anyway. Inferno from Hot Spot takes about 2 seconds to come up with. So I wouldnt rely on a story to prove Hasbro intentions.

The real indicator would be if Takara Ratchet came from TFCC tooling, or if TFCC used the tooling because Hasbro said "Nah, we're not gonna get to that." that might indicate more as to whether or bot there was another combiner on the chopping block

Takara Ratchet uses the same headsculpt as BotCon Ratchet. Fun Pub confirmed at BotCon 2016 that the new headsculpt toolings for Ratchet, Reflector/Flash Sentry, Counterpunch, and Toxitron all came from Hasbro, who gave those toolings to Fun Pub and told them to use them so as to get them out to the fans since Hasbro at the time had no plans to release those toolings themselves.

Toxitron's head was even originally supposed to be Nemesis Prime, but since Takara had already gone ahead and made the very similar-in-concept Grand Scourge figure, Fun Pub chose to use the Nemesis Prime head for Toxitron instead.

Kurona wrote:Power of the Primes Skywarp

Nice try, but that's clearly fake.

...His legs are much too in proportion - where are his big dumb boots?

Kurona wrote:No, see, you don't understand. Characters like Heatwave, Bulkhead and Cheetor are faaaar too obscure to put in Generations. Now Inferno? Wolfwire? Dreadwind? Everyone knows who they are.

True fans know who Inferno, Wolfwire and Dreadwind are that's for sure.

Weirdwolf > Wolfwire tho ;p

To clarify something I mentioned before, I wasn't kidding when I said that John Warden called Beast Wars "obscure". Behold this interview snippit:

AS: On that note, in Titans Return, every mold got a second use except Hot Rod and Galvatron. Is there something else in the works?

JW: No, I think it’s that some characters are more unique designs, so it’s a little bit more difficult to make a second head for them. But we do plan ahead and build in a second head into the toy plan from the beginning. So we’ll work with Takara and kinda get their suggestions, and some of them end up being kinda weird and obscure, like a lot of the little Titan Master assortment guys, they’re like Beast Wars characters or characters produced in their markets.

Sabrblade wrote:To clarify something I mentioned before, I wasn't kidding when I said that John Warden called Beast Wars "obscure". Behold this interview snippit:

AS: On that note, in Titans Return, every mold got a second use except Hot Rod and Galvatron. Is there something else in the works?

JW: No, I think it’s that some characters are more unique designs, so it’s a little bit more difficult to make a second head for them. But we do plan ahead and build in a second head into the toy plan from the beginning. So we’ll work with Takara and kinda get their suggestions, and some of them end up being kinda weird and obscure, like a lot of the little Titan Master assortment guys, they’re like Beast Wars characters or characters produced in their markets.

I guess in Geewunner language, obscure translate back into english as 'beloved characters for fans of the franchise who grew up in the mid '90'. Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now. That Thrilling 30 Starscream and that Titans Return Tidal Wave must have been quite the event for them...and probably the only love the part of the franchise they grew up with is going to get for the next 10-20 years.

Prowl4 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

Now that's a damn good idea!

They would be a small bridge from rescue bot fans to chug fans then and they already are known through their tv series and IDW could certainly expand upon them. I'm just surprised hasbro don't see these angles rather than constantly reverting to characters not really seen since g1.

Sign me up for CHUG Rescue Bots.

Heatwave/Hot Spot
Chase/Prowl
Boulder/Rook
Blades/Blades

Salvage/First Aid
High Tide/Broadside
Quickshadow/Jumpstream
Medix/First Aid
Brushfire/Beachcomber
Blurr/Blurr

Etc.

Skritz wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:To clarify something I mentioned before, I wasn't kidding when I said that John Warden called Beast Wars "obscure". Behold this interview snippit:

AS: On that note, in Titans Return, every mold got a second use except Hot Rod and Galvatron. Is there something else in the works?

JW: No, I think it’s that some characters are more unique designs, so it’s a little bit more difficult to make a second head for them. But we do plan ahead and build in a second head into the toy plan from the beginning. So we’ll work with Takara and kinda get their suggestions, and some of them end up being kinda weird and obscure, like a lot of the little Titan Master assortment guys, they’re like Beast Wars characters or characters produced in their markets.

I guess in Geewunner language, obscure translate back into english as 'beloved characters for fans of the franchise who grew up in the mid '90'. Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now. That Thrilling 30 Starscream and that Titans Return Tidal Wave must have been quite the event for them...and probably the only love the part of the franchise they grew up with is going to get for the next 10-20 years.

All I want is a good Vector Prime update...

But for serious, while Cybertron was my absolute jam back in the day ("the day" being just over 10 years ago ) and I'd love to see some updates of designs from that era, I've really grown to love a lot of the G1 stuff that's been/being updated. Call it developing appreciation for the classics, call it Stockholm syndrome, I don't honestly know which it is myself. All I can say for certain is that the same hasn't really happened for Beast Wars/RID01/other parts of the franchise that I wasn't into as a kid, which suggests to me that it's simply the oversaturation of G1 making me respect it moreso than any inherent "greater value" as some of the design team seem to be under the impression that it has.

That said, BRING ON THE DINOBOTS ALREADY PLEASE I NEED THEM SO MUCH EVEN THE WEIRDLY-DESIGNED ONES LIKE SLUDGE

Qwan wrote:which suggests to me that it's simply the oversaturation of G1 making me respect it moreso than any inherent "greater value" as some of the design team seem to be under the impression that it has.

Yeah I'm fairly certain any fan who grew up on anything beside the G1 cartoon (and, eventually, this WILL become a majority within the fanbase) will invariably and reluctantly come to accept that it's always going to be G1 that dominate the serie simply on the basis it was there first and was 'the original'...

...even if, in my humble opinion, most of the new G1 content ever since its earliest revival is very much its own 'generation' by now. IDW comic may be labelled as G1 but it has diverged so much in tone, characterization and ideas from the G1 cartoon (or Marvel comics) that may as well be 'G-whatever-we-are-at-now'. I'm aware this is being pedantic but aside from character name and design I find it hard, at times, to consider the 'Neo-G1' stuff to be really truly G1. Now, mind you, personally to me this distinction doesn't really matter but it is nonetheless worth noting. Its like saying, say, modern Marvel or DC is really the same as the comics from the '60, '70 or '80. These may be the same characters but the stories, history and writing is so radically different that you may as well count it as an adaptation. Which, in Transformers case, make to me Neo G1 not truly that different from the Unicron Trilogy, Animated or Prime. They may be closer to the 'OG Transformers', which is the evergreen part of the brand, but they aren't the same.

But the thing to take out of this rambling rant is: I've come to accept that G1 inspiration and characters will invariably be what drive forward the franchise and that Beast Wars, what I grew up with, will invariably be relegated to a something which gets a bone thrown at once in a while. And all things considered, Beast Wars is doing fine given it got some Masterpieces now and had some figures in Generations.

Edit: I forgot to mention that, because it had such a small cast, I'm not too bothered by a lack of Beast Wars figures as frankly most of the memorable designs were those in the show anyway and arguably, compared to the G1 figures, they've aged slightly better. Oh don't get me wrong these things are old and outdated but its nowhere as bad as some of the guys who only got updates 30 years later in Titans Return. Barring damage, wear and tear or GPS most Beast Wars figures are still good enough that I don't feel a need to replace them.

Qwan wrote:Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now.

And those BW characters that have had figures here and there? *PERSONAL OPINION* I've found them to be lacking compared to the originals.

Virtually all those BW figures released were bloody good figures, yes, even the likes of Retrax. They had articulation, the looked good in both modes ... well except maybe Retax given his robot mode is basically "COME HERE AND LET ME HUG YOU!!!!!!" (Even Japan got in on the joke by recolouring him and renaming him Powerhug!)

The same goes for RiD 2001, another great line.

The Unicron Trilogy however ... dunno what happened there. Some great figures, some incredibly bad figures.

And hey, whose to say that after PotP finishes we might get some figures from older series. Give it a true Generations feel.

Burn wrote:

Qwan wrote:Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now.

And those BW characters that have had figures here and there? *PERSONAL OPINION* I've found them to be lacking compared to the originals.

Universe 2008 Cheetor was the worst of the bunch, because of the space allocated for the eye changing gimmick, and the proportions favoring the cheetah mode a bit too much. I will say the Generations toys were steps in the right direction from looks alone.

Virtually all those BW figures released were bloody good figures, yes, even the likes of Retrax. They had articulation, the looked good in both modes ... well except maybe Retax given his robot mode is basically "COME HERE AND LET ME HUG YOU!!!!!!" (Even Japan got in on the joke by recolouring him and renaming him Powerhug!)

I hear ya there.

The same goes for RiD 2001, another great line.

And experimental to an extent. Didn't stray far from the trusted Yuusha/Brave formula from a couple years prior, kept the BW Neo "shellforming" for the Autobot Brothers, gave us a brand-new six-, then 10, now 11-changer, and was filled out with redecos and canceled toys. Quite the hodgepodge indeed.

The Unicron Trilogy however ... dunno what happened there. Some great figures, some incredibly bad figures.

Changes in design direction are always hard to swallow, especially when a gimmick takes priority. That has not changed with the non-Generations lines.

And hey, whose to say that after PotP finishes we might get some figures from older series. Give it a true Generations feel.

Wait 5 to 10 years on that, when Animated, Prime, RiD and Rescue Bots fade into obscurity

Burn wrote:

Qwan wrote:Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now.

And those BW characters that have had figures here and there? *PERSONAL OPINION* I've found them to be lacking compared to the originals.

Virtually all those BW figures released were bloody good figures, yes, even the likes of Retrax. They had articulation, the looked good in both modes ... well except maybe Retax given his robot mode is basically "COME HERE AND LET ME HUG YOU!!!!!!" (Even Japan got in on the joke by recolouring him and renaming him Powerhug!)

The same goes for RiD 2001, another great line.

The Unicron Trilogy however ... dunno what happened there. Some great figures, some incredibly bad figures.

And hey, whose to say that after PotP finishes we might get some figures from older series. Give it a true Generations feel.

agreed on these. my childhood was beast wars, not g1. that being said, i do understand that among all transformers toylines, g1 and g2 (before laser series introduced) is the one that needs an update the most, as they are from the era where articulation is still non existent, and the mold of the toy is only barely looked like the characters on the show. laser lines and any newer lines after that actually has decent amount of articulation, and while not perfect, still holds an engineering almost as good as modern toys. so my guess is that they want to gives a proper update to all g1 characters first, and then after all of them are done, then they will properly move to other lines.

john warden is a g1 diehard fans, yes, but i do believe he is also a professional. means if the market really demands a character from other lines, then they will give it. the fact that we got generations rhinox, waspinator, rattrap, and even tankor is a proof.

bacem wrote:

Burn wrote:

Qwan wrote:Then again, Beast Wars characters do get figures here and there. Can't imagine how horrible it must be for RiD 2001 or Unicron trilogy fans who are adults by now.

And those BW characters that have had figures here and there? *PERSONAL OPINION* I've found them to be lacking compared to the originals.

Virtually all those BW figures released were bloody good figures, yes, even the likes of Retrax. They had articulation, the looked good in both modes ... well except maybe Retax given his robot mode is basically "COME HERE AND LET ME HUG YOU!!!!!!" (Even Japan got in on the joke by recolouring him and renaming him Powerhug!)

The same goes for RiD 2001, another great line.

The Unicron Trilogy however ... dunno what happened there. Some great figures, some incredibly bad figures.

And hey, whose to say that after PotP finishes we might get some figures from older series. Give it a true Generations feel.

agreed on these. my childhood was beast wars, not g1. that being said, i do understand that among all transformers toylines, g1 and g2 (before laser series introduced) is the one that needs an update the most, as they are from the era where articulation is still non existent, and the mold of the toy is only barely looked like the characters on the show. laser lines and any newer lines after that actually has decent amount of articulation, and while not perfect, still holds an engineering almost as good as modern toys. so my guess is that they want to gives a proper update to all g1 characters first, and then after all of them are done, then they will properly move to other lines.

john warden is a g1 diehard fans, yes, but i do believe he is also a professional. means if the market really demands a character from other lines, then they will give it. the fact that we got generations rhinox, waspinator, rattrap, and even tankor is a proof.

Was John the design head during Thirlling 30? I seem to remember the design team changed hands around that time.

Regardless, I also hope he'll listen to demand for other continuities when said demand gets high enough. Still gonna be a while before it gets to that point I'm sure, but I have no doubt it will eventually. For now, I suppose we may as well enjoy all the awesome stuff that we are getting in this line, regardless of its origin. Dinobots and Abominus HYPE!

I look at it as a generational thing. Look outside of Transformers and see how much love there is for 80's stuff at the moment.

Why is that?

Because those of us from that era, are now at the age and in the positions to lead creative teams.

It will be interesting to see in another 10-20 years whether BW and/or the Unicron trilogy become a central focus when those who grew up with them take over those lead positions

Qwan wrote:Was John the design head during Thirlling 30? I seem to remember the design team changed hands around that time.

His first toys, Whirl and Roadbuster, showed up in that line, but he and his team didn't fully take over from Aaron Archer's team until after Thrilling 30 with Age of Extinction.

Which also brings me to another point: Those few remade Beast Wars figures that got mentioned before? Those were all made under the tenure of Archer's team, not Warden's team. Or some of them were Takara initiatives like the old RobotMasters ones or the recent MP Primal and Cheetor. The forthcoming PotP Leader class Optimus Primal toy will be the first and so far only Beast Wars-update toy to be developed and released by Warden's Hasbro team, and is only happening because of a fan poll.

Got these from sunson son's facebook page. Lots of new info.

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Prowl4 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

Now that's a damn good idea!

They would be a small bridge from rescue bot fans to chug fans then and they already are known through their tv series and IDW could certainly expand upon them. I'm just surprised hasbro don't see these angles rather than constantly reverting to characters not really seen since g1.

Sign me up for CHUG Rescue Bots.

Heatwave/Hot Spot
Chase/Prowl
Boulder/Rook
Blades/Blades

Salvage/First Aid
High Tide/Broadside
Quickshadow/Jumpstream
Medix/First Aid
Brushfire/Beachcomber
Blurr/Blurr

Etc.

That is my thinking. Would love to see them become more mainstream.

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Still can't pass over these feet. same failure as Windcharger's face for me. Too bad the rest was looking ok.

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Elita1 torso is interesting, at least. Can't wait to see it on real/colored.

We have even more images from upcoming figures in the Transformers: Power of the Primes toyline, courtesy of the usual suspects on Weibo social media. The images mirrored below include more looks at Elita-1, Moonracer and Inferno, plus Prime Master compatibility, package shots for Dinobot Slug and Swoop, and Windcharger, Skrapnel, Vector Prime, Micronus, and some more combination schematics for Abominus and Elita-1. Check it all out, and join the conversation in the Energon Pub!

So, Vector Prime's shell is actually Metalhawk, and who is Micronus' shell supposed to be... Groundbreaker?

Swoop looks great.