In Package Images of Transformers Velocitron Line

All of these I will never ever see in store.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:The Shadow Striker and crasher rumors are juicy. Those are 2 characters I really want to see happen, and hopefully they happen well. Especially Shadow Striker. I loved her in Cyberverse

Yes, I am excited too. Hopefully Shadow Striker will be Cyberverse based. But on the downside, Crasher might be made from earthrise mirage, which is an awful mold and even worse for crasher. Lio convoy was a surprise too. I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

They do use "Comic Universe" for Marvel UK-original character Impactor, while the similar comic-original character Jhiaxus is instead labeled as "G2 Universe".

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

They do use "Comic Universe" for Marvel UK-original character Impactor, while the similar comic-original character Jhiaxus is instead labeled as "G2 Universe".

Ah I forgot about impactor

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Probably that. I just asscoiate the word Universe with Transformers as being repaints from anyhwere in transformers due to the old toyline than specific set Universes anyways. A Universe Universe labelling would probably be more confusfing than comic universes listing

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Probably that. I just asscoiate the word Universe with Transformers as being repaints from anyhwere in transformers due to the old toyline than specific set Universes anyways. A Universe Universe labelling would probably be more confusfing than comic universes listing

You'd probably have to specify which universe line since Hasbro used it twice

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

That's just customary at this point.

Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Did you know Cheetor actually has an official old man lion upgrade?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

As opposed to "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Strongarm" and "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Steeljaw" that we'll be getting in a future Legacy line--if there's any justice in the universe(s).

We're not going to see "Aligned Universe" on packaging after all.

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Did you know Cheetor actually has an official old man lion upgrade?

Emerje

Yes, but that's just awfully stupid.

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1.

These universe labels are nonsense. Hasbro can pretend that they mean anything of value all they want, but they're just blah. Esepcially Impactor's "Comic Universe" label when he's a G1 character too.

Emerje wrote:Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Since the premise is that a bunch of characters from non-G1 universes are coming over into a G1 universe, the default universe that Legacy is set in is the "G1 Universe" and thus doesn't need to be labeled in Hasbro's eyes.

Though, the online bios unlockable with the toys' QR codes does contain "G1 Universe" and "Beast Wars Universe" labels for the G1 and BW toys that lack any on-package universe labels.

Emerje wrote:I

Also...



2000?


Emerje

Technically the Car Robots cartoon and toy line it is based off of started in the year 2000.

While the North American Robots in Disguise cartoon and toy line started in 2001.

The "Black Convoy" toy was released in 2000 in Japan.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

As opposed to "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Strongarm" and "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Steeljaw" that we'll be getting in a future Legacy line--if there's any justice in the universe(s).

We're not going to see "Aligned Universe" on packaging after all.

I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Walmart exclusive.....great we do not have those here. Hopefully Hasbro will allow overseas dealers to order them. I really want to get Cosmos.

All those packing shots are really pretty.

Please let me be strong, I do not need to buy all of them even if I want to

At least it ended up somewhere I guess. It's sort of like the 2008 Universe line packaging and website calling out the "series" for each figure.

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Bingo! They came so close to making another fan term official (like G1), but got the year wrong. Hasbro didn't release Car Robots so there's no reason for them to use 2000 here and there's no longer any question that this figure is Scourge from the 2001 line now. Back then (I don't really see it used anymore), before RID2001 we were calling Car Robots "Car Robots 2000" because that name itself was borrowed from the original Diaclone toy car line that gave us much of the '84 lineup.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:At least it ended up somewhere I guess. It's sort of like the 2008 Universe line packaging and website calling out the "series" for each figure.

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought Emerje's point was more that Robots in Disguise was more commonly put as Robots in Disguise 2001 (with Car Robots having debuted in 2000)

Bingo! They came so close to making another fan term official (like G1), but got the year wrong. Hasbro didn't release Car Robots so there's no reason for them to use 2000 here and there's no longer any question that this figure is Scourge from the 2001 line now. Back then (I don't really see it used anymore), before RID2001 we were calling Car Robots "Car Robots 2000" because that name itself was borrowed from the original Diaclone toy car line that gave us much of the '84 lineup.

Emerje

It feels to me like Hasbro wanted to have its cake and eat it too, wanting to use the "Robots in Disguise" name of the English version, but still retain the original year of the toys' first release in any market, trying to please everyone but ultimately pleasing no one.

Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though.

There's always the crowd that would go "Um, AKSHUWALLY, the original toys were first released in Japan the year before in 2000, so it should say 2000 not 2001!"

Emerje wrote:When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

I doubt it, since every Generations toy shared between Hasbro and Takara since Power of the Primes has kept its Hasbro name in the Takara releases.

And some even before then like the Armada Starscream and Armada Megatron toys from Thrilling 30 being released in Japanese Generations and Legends, respectively, with the "Armada" part of their names intact despite the Japanese version of that series having been named "Legends of the Microns".

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

The original listing was for Black Convoy. So it would have been Black Convoy, Car Robots 2000. But they ultimately went for Scourge and changed the name of the show without changing the year.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though. When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

The original listing was for Black Convoy. So it would have been Black Convoy, Car Robots 2000. But they ultimately went for Scourge and changed the name of the show without changing the year.

Ow! This conversation has gone on so long, and now I think I might have a major headache lol

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not really sure who they're trying to please with the 2000, though.

There's always the crowd that would go "Um, AKSHUWALLY, the original toys were first released in Japan the year before in 2000, so it should say 2000 not 2001!"

That's got to be the minority though, right? I mean if we started dating things based on when toys first appeared outs of Hasbro's reach that would really upend a lot of dates.

Emerje wrote:When these get released in Japan (and there's no reason to think they wont since Takara Tomy was so heavily involved and they released the Netflix line over there) they'll probably change some of the universe names as well to better reflect their own.

Emerje

I doubt it, since every Generations toy shared between Hasbro and Takara since Power of the Primes has kept its Hasbro name in the Takara releases.

Sure, but we haven't seen them spell out the universes like this in a while, and since they aren't really sharing packaging anymore (Takara Tomy appears to be dropping window boxes all together ahead of Hasbro now) so there's room for flexibility.

And some even before then like the Armada Starscream and Armada Megatron toys from Thrilling 30 being released in Japanese Generations and Legends, respectively, with the "Armada" part of their names intact despite the Japanese version of that series having been named "Legends of the Microns".

You know, I've never actually looked at those names as having the same meanings in Japanese. I always thought of them as just titles for their new bodies and not their origin, we've seen this done a bunch of times for Japanese releases and even Hasbro ones (Solar Storm Grapple).

Emerje

Can't we take those universe designations as fun little nods, and be appreciative that Hasbro is aware of the origins of certain characters? True, they slipped a bit with Scourge, but compared to the other lines Car Robots and Robots in Disguise (2001) have been pretty weird beasts. Maybe pairing them like Armada/Micron Densetsu, Energon/Superlink and Cybertron/Galaxy Force was just the easiest thing to do to make everything less cluttered.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

That's just customary at this point.

Well far be it for me to go against customs.

So in a bizarre turn of events, it appears that CRASHER ALREADY LEAKED.
Credit for the photos appears to go to Monari on TFW, they didn't state an external source of these images. One of their leakers is already vouching for it being real (albeit the one with the sketchiest track record), and outside of that I'm inclined to believe it's real since it's an yet-unseen combination of Kingdom body with Siege Holo Mirage/toy head while also visibly having parts cast in different base plastic colors from the Kingdom figure. If that's a custom, it's the most extensive custom I've ever come across, at least.

Dunno about anyone else, but if this is real then I'm satisfied with it.

So it will be the Mirage mold then.

Of course, it have to be in the impossible to get Velocitron line.

Wow, wave 1 of the Velocitron line hasn't even been released yet and we already have a leak for wave 2. TFW2005 user Monari has posted these images of the never before seen toy in their possession. It is an homage to Go Bot using a yet-unseen combination of Kingdom body with Siege Holo Mirage head while also visibly having parts cast in different base plastic colors from the Kingdom figure. You'll let us know what you think of the figure. We thank Nemesis Primal for cluing us in on this leak and the details.

Well, that's one less bot on my want list. I was REALLY hoping for a retool of PotP Jazz, which was probably a pipe dream anyway, given the "mass-shifting" we're seeing in toys these days.

Man seeing those alt mode pics makes me nostalgic for the 07 movie crasher. Now that was a figure that made the classics mirage mold work. This new one is looks pretty good as well, if legit

ZeroWolf wrote:Man seeing those alt mode pics makes me nostalgic for the 07 movie crasher. Now that was a figure that made the classics mirage mold work. This new one is looks pretty good as well, if legit

Haha, I felt the same thing

Crasher... Yes please

I’m a huge huge gobots fan. When action toys started up machine robo I grabbed my Cy-kill do. I’ve been waiting for a crashed for a while. Got really excited for the news of her being released. Never been a huge fan of the racer body for her. It’s acceptable for now but that head sculpt? Not crasher. As someone else pointed out potp jazz was the perfect retool body. Why not just go there? Sculpt a beautiful new head and just keep the rest literally the same. I’d buy that version no questions asked. This however I’ll get but I already know I’m gonna paint pupils in the eyes. I guess for now it’s an actual branded crasher. Here’s hoping one day we get an actual amazing third party figure. Definitely disappointed in this mirage repaint body. Time to overhaul the go-bots.

While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

Grahf_ wrote:While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

A retool would be more expensive then what this is (a redeco with a previously used mirage head)

Yeah, "this mold would be perfect if they changed almost every part" isn't that compelling an argument.

Think I'm sticking with Fracture. would have picked it up if it was a potp jazz reuse

Grahf_ wrote:While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

The Mirage repaint with new face is perfect for crasher, no other mold would do it proper justice.
I have the POTP Jazz and looking at him it just doesn't fit for the bot mode, I can kind of see with the alt mode but the upcoming racecar mode is more sleek. Ill take what we are getting any day.

Actual Crasher images
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TRMtWvqqI-k/maxresdefault.jpg

https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/e/ ... rasher.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0758/ ... 1545495626

I also have her as Decepticon Fracture the generations mirage repaint and that is closer than the Jazz.

I'm not saying that it would be cheap. I'm going back to things that were said when this was first leaked. People were going on about retooling PotP Jazz since the alt mode was already the correct one. But since they also said to retool the entire top and front of the vehicle mode as well as the arms to get the proper robot mode look, you might as well just use a better mold to begin with like Legacy Dragstrip. It's not like half of the things I said even needed to be done when you compare to the nothing that was done to Mirage. Assuming that this is what we're getting. The shapes of the parts and their placement are already there as it is, so really only the front scoop retool would be all that's needed to complete the look. The rest would just be extra but not necessary.

I also talked about the budget. They were going to retool a good amount of Origins Bumblebee to get Cosmos but they managed to work within the budget to make him a new figure entirely. So there is a budget set aside to work on either retools or new molds outright. The fist Velocitron line had enough budget for two new molds (one voyager and one deluxe) and an extensive retool of another deluxe besides the three new heads. Two of the three heads should already have been designed and on the sprues already though with possibly Hauler's being new entirely. So why would I think that this line wouldn't have a similar budget? With the figures that were leaked so far, it doesn't seem that the budget is being stretched yet at all. So why not spend some of it on Crasher? They could be using some of it for Shadow Striker but we just don't know yet as only three names have been leaked so far.

And yeah, it's not like people did this exact same thing when Override was first leaked saying that SS86 Hot Rod would be perfect if they just retooled everything. Oh wait, they did.

Grahf_ wrote:I'm not saying that it would be cheap. I'm going back to things that were said when this was first leaked. People were going on about retooling PotP Jazz since the alt mode was already the correct one. But since they also said to retool the entire top and front of the vehicle mode as well as the arms to get the proper robot mode look, you might as well just use a better mold to begin with like Legacy Dragstrip. It's not like half of the things I said even needed to be done when you compare to the nothing that was done to Mirage. Assuming that this is what we're getting. The shapes of the parts and their placement are already there as it is, so really only the front scoop retool would be all that's needed to complete the look. The rest would just be extra but not necessary.

I also talked about the budget. They were going to retool a good amount of Origins Bumblebee to get Cosmos but they managed to work within the budget to make him a new figure entirely. So there is a budget set aside to work on either retools or new molds outright. The fist Velocitron line had enough budget for two new molds (one voyager and one deluxe) and an extensive retool of another deluxe besides the three new heads. Two of the three heads should already have been designed and on the sprues already though with possibly Hauler's being new entirely. So why would I think that this line wouldn't have a similar budget? With the figures that were leaked so far, it doesn't seem that the budget is being stretched yet at all. So why not spend some of it on Crasher? They could be using some of it for Shadow Striker but we just don't know yet as only three names have been leaked so far.

And yeah, it's not like people did this exact same thing when Override was first leaked saying that SS86 Hot Rod would be perfect if they just retooled everything. Oh wait, they did.

I am one of the few that said that they should use the kingdom mirage mold as soon as the leak about the toy came out. I even said it on reddit and some douche replied that I was stupid and it wouldn't happen that they would use the POTP jazz mold. Now that guy really looks like the dick bag he truly is.

That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

They would never have used the POTP mold. This toy isn't just a reference to the Gobot but to Hasbro's Transformers Crasher so Mirage was what most people guessed (rightfully).

RiddlerJ wrote:That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

The toy-accurate Holo Mirage head is the closest to being circular and the most similar to Crasher's cartoon head design. Yes, it may require some squinting, but that's Hasbro for you: if it works even remotely, it works.

I have noticed that all the black on this Crasher is paint. While that doesn't necessarily make this a hoax, it does seem only white and grey plastic is used.

RiddlerJ wrote:That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

I'll most likely paint her "lips" red like I did on the Generations Fracture/crasher to see if that helps. I do agree about head, well the face as if you look at the original crashers toon her head resembled mirage in a way, maybe if they gave her a sinister female face it may have been better.

The current face looks too... Happy?

I, I don't think I like it. That Earthrise Mirage mold didn't feel good to me, and neither did the Siege one, and this just seems off. There might be some legalities over doing a more toy-accurate car mold, I still might go for it.

I wonder if they'll put "GoBot Universe" on the package

AcademyofDrX wrote:I wonder if they'll put "GoBot Universe" on the package

That would be a thing, wouldn't it? Or just "Decepticon Fracture" after the Movie toy to be extra safe in having at least a (legal) base toy.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I, I don't think I like it. That Earthrise Mirage mold didn't feel good to me, and neither did the Siege one, and this just seems off. There might be some legalities over doing a more toy-accurate car mold, I still might go for it.

The original was a Ligier JS11 race car, I have been searching around to see if there were any noted legal issues with them using that exact style car.