Michael Bay Named Second Highest Grossing Director

Not surprised one bit and before long he will become top.




and also the top two highest grossing directors were involved with the transformer franchise.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Not surprised one bit and before long he will become top.

Not with the sequels to Avatar coming out in the next few years. Cameron will not only pass Bay, but will most likely pass Spielberg as well. And I'm not saying this because I hate Bay or anything. I actually like all his movies except Pearl Harbor and Pain & Gain. I also don't like James Cameron much, and he is #3 because most of his take comes from Titanic and Avatar. Titanic I didn't care for, and I have never seen Avatar, nor do I plan on seeing the sequels. I'm just saying, considering the massive box office Avatar made, unless the sequels absolutely suck, they will bring in $2 billion among them, thus passing Bay and Spielberg. The next TF movies will certainly boost Bay's status, but not enough to pass either of those 2 once things are said and done. Bay will wind up #3 on this list, but that's not bad at all. He'll probably still finish with over $4 billion, whereas Spielberg might squeeze out another $1 billion and Cameron will definitely hit $5 billion. I'm also waiting to see where Joss Whedon ends up on this list after the Avengers sequels.

That is an impressive feat, but I agree with Rodimus Prime, Cameron will take over with avatars sequels, and maybe, just maybe, Battle Angel Antina if he ever follows through on it.

Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

Autobot032 wrote:Age Of Extinction has dominated the box office and continues to do so, with it's current worldwide tally at $576,295,954. With numbers like this, it's no surprise that Bay has become a bankable director, but until now, we had no idea just how bankable.

Courtesy of Nelson, over at MichaelBay.com, we now have confirmation that not only has the Transformers franchise helped Michael become the second highest grossing director, but his highest grossing film? Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen!

This is big news, because Bay's box office take has surpassed the likes of George Lucas, Ron Howard, Tim Burton and even James Cameron! See for yourself, below:

Nelson here…
This past weekend Michael Bay became the second-highest-grossing director of all time. Congratulations Michael.
Chart courtesy of Box Office Mojo.

And who happens to be number one? Transformers producer Stephen Spielberg!



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Wow. I didn't even know Michael Bay had surpassed so many awesome directors. Now it's Spielberg vs. Bay!

ZeroWolf wrote:That is an impressive feat, but I agree with Rodimus Prime, Cameron will take over with avatars sequels, and maybe, just maybe, Battle Angel Antina if he ever follows through on it.

Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

That Alita movie. Dear geebus, make it happen.

ZeroWolf wrote:Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

I found it INCREDIBLY boring to the point I stopped it a number of times and took breaks before I fell asleep.

Never understood the appeal of it. Sure I only watched the 2D DVD version, and sure, maybe the 3D effects in the cinemas were awesome, but it was still a bloody boring story.

That is an impressive feat, but I agree with Rodimus Prime, Cameron will take over with avatars sequels, and maybe, just maybe, Battle Angel Antina if he ever follows through on it.

Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

ZeroWolf wrote:Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

I didn't like Pocahontas even when I was a kid...and Avatar never had any appeal to me either...

How to Train Your Dragon 2...an example of a superior film to something that is getting heaps of money. And I haven't even seen AOE yet. I KNOW that I'm gonna see and maybe possibly enjoy it.(I refuse to pay money for seeing it.) And seeing Bay pass up so many directors is a constant reminder of the shear ignorance of the world. (This is is also the most negative post I've ever had on seibertron.)

Rodimus Prime wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Not surprised one bit and before long he will become top.

Not with the sequels to Avatar coming out in the next few years. Cameron will not only pass Bay, but will most likely pass Spielberg as well. And I'm not saying this because I hate Bay or anything. I actually like all his movies except Pearl Harbor and Pain & Gain. I also don't like James Cameron much, and he is #3 because most of his take comes from Titanic and Avatar. Titanic I didn't care for, and I have never seen Avatar, nor do I plan on seeing the sequels. I'm just saying, considering the massive box office Avatar made, unless the sequels absolutely suck, they will bring in $2 billion among them, thus passing Bay and Spielberg. The next TF movies will certainly boost Bay's status, but not enough to pass either of those 2 once things are said and done. Bay will wind up #3 on this list, but that's not bad at all. He'll probably still finish with over $4 billion, whereas Spielberg might squeeze out another $1 billion and Cameron will definitely hit $5 billion. I'm also waiting to see where Joss Whedon ends up on this list after the Avengers sequels.

You have done yourself a service by not seeing Avatar. It was the most boring movie I have ever experience. The last 15-20 minutes of the movie is ok but the movie is 3 hours long so it feels like a slow build up until 2hr:40min into the movie. I fell asleep twice.

Burn wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Rodimus, you didn't miss anything by not seeing Avatar, it's like Pocahontas...Just in space. I found it to be very predictable.

I found it INCREDIBLY boring to the point I stopped it a number of times and took breaks before I fell asleep.

Never understood the appeal of it. Sure I only watched the 2D DVD version, and sure, maybe the 3D effects in the cinemas were awesome, but it was still a bloody boring story.

Same here. I saw both Titanic and Avatar and disliked them both. Don't even bother to watch the second time or even put my eyes on the DVD case. Really don't understand why they were so popular.....

Congrats to Bay, although I'm still not a fan of him (but I still like his The Rock very much) .

So I saw it last night, and although I rarely post anything, thought I'd share my thoughts.

I'm.....not sure if I liked it. I mean, I liked it, but I'm starting to think the formula is getting tired.

It seems like every movie has the same formula:

1. Every movie has some magical item that they are chasing (Cube, Matrix, Space Bridge, Seed)
2. Every movie seems to connect the transformers to our past somehow (Cube/Megatron gave us technology, Matrix hidden on earth and fallen's weapon hidden in pyramids, transformers crashing on moon is reason we went to the moon, and now transformers (or their creators) are responsible for killing the dinosaurs.)
3. Every movie has the main villan killed off (Megatron, Fallen, Megatron again/sentinnel prime, Lockdown)
4. Humans are acting way too comfortably around giant robots
5. Humans always seem to be the difference between the Autobots winning or losing.

Also there were some smaller things never explained that seems to be a trend in each movie. This one as the Dinobots. So.......... Prime is what, a knight of some kind. He says something to that affect when he withdraws the sword. So he's now a Prime and a Knight? And how do the Dinobots have the Dinosaur alt forms. I guess I'm to assume that they came to earth at one point. And how long has Lockdown had them upside-down in that ship, gotta think all that Energon flowing to the brain would hurt after a while.

Also, as much as I was glad that the action sequences were longer (seemed like damn near half the movie), by the end I was beaten. There's only so many times I can hear that loud bass sound when something explodes or falls. Near the end I couldn't tell if they just lowered the volume on the explosions so you could hear Hound, or if my brain got so numb that it started focusing on non-exploding sounds.

Also, 2 thoughts on the man made bots:

1. Is it just me or have they finally gotten so lazy that they don't care about these being "Transformers" anymore. Almost every robot mode seemed to only have hints of car parts on them. Hell on Lockdown only thing I noticed from the car was the manufacturer badge on his chest. Also the fact that they materialized inbetween forms really seemed lazy.

2. Maybe it's because I'm colorblind, but I didn't know Bee was fighting Stinger until he was holding Stinger's head.

I have other things that bothered me but I'll leave it at that for now. Now I did like some things:

Was nice to have a fresh human story, instead of boy loves infected lipped girl.

Although I don't like that Samurai bot is Samurai because Samurai, it was cool to see Drift as a Triple Changer.

I LOVED Crosshairs. Absolutely loved the Character.

I liked the reference to the quintessons. They didn't directly reference it, but the hand that you saw fire the seeds at the beginning, the weird ships, and the fact that they made Optimus, it's gotta be them. So it's nice to see that they (or whoever) will be in the next movie.

Had a great laugh at Ranbow dash becoming a gun.

When I heard that the prototype was called galvatron, I was a second away from abandoning the movie. The thought is Galvatron just being a drone made me sick. THANKFULLY, when they said he was made from Megatron I got renewed hope and ultimately loved this angle with galvatron/Megatron. Although I had to explain to my wife that he was probably able to survive dieing from DOTM because of dark Energon. I know he hacked the man made bots, but it looked like Dark Energon to me more than just a virus. Maybe that might be a plot point in one of the next movies.

The jokes were funny and no major toilet humour.

Loved Lockdown, although I did feel he wasn't as vicious as he could have been. Optimus seemed to get away rather easily.

Loved seeing Optimus finally upset with humans. Was nice to see that even Prime has his limits.

All in all I did like it, but there were a lot of things that kinda bugged me.

I rarely ever dislike a Micheal Bay film even though all of them have there issues

Bad Boy- 9/10 Will Smith & Martin Lawrence(Pure Comedy) + ACTION + A terrific Villain = recipe for success.

The Rock- 9/10 Entertaining throughout!

Armageddon- 8/10 I typically like Bruce Willis movies so this one was one of my faves from him.

Bad Boys 2- 9/10 Just like part 1 but the comedy and action is more bigger in a Bay fashion. I was entertained!

The Island- 9/10 I loved the concept of this film. One of Bay's very different films that somehow ended up having terrific action

Pearl Harbor- 5/10 I couldn't watch this all at once. Felt almost like Titanic. Long and boring.

Transformers- 9.5/10

Transformers 2- 9/10 I know lot of folks hate this movie but the annoying parts wasn't enough for me to hate the film. I'm not sensitive like most..lol

Transformers 3- 9.5/10 Loved it

Transformers 4- 10/10 It was everything I wanted from a Transformers film on Earth.

Pain & Gain- 7/10 It was ok for a based on a true story movie. I found it kinda exhausting at some points.

So Bay isn't perfect but one thing I realize about his films is that they are mostly lighthearted and fun. Not dark and full of depth in characters. I personally prefer fun over dark most of the times.

powersteamracing wrote:Although I had to explain to my wife that he was probably able to survive dieing from DOTM because of dark Energon. I know he hacked the man made bots, but it looked like Dark Energon to me more than just a virus. Maybe that might be a plot point in one of the next movies.

So, you had to explain something by making something up? There was never any hint of Dark Energon existing in these movies, so no one should ever be thinking about Dark Energon when watching these movies.

Plus, Dark Energon is purple, not bright blue.

Slashercon wrote:How to Train Your Dragon 2...an example of a superior film to something that is getting heaps of money. And I haven't even seen AOE yet. I KNOW that I'm gonna see and maybe possibly enjoy it.(I refuse to pay money for seeing it.) And seeing Bay pass up so many directors is a constant reminder of the shear ignorance of the world. (This is is also the most negative post I've ever had on seibertron.)

I think that's a little harsh. About the ignorance of the world I mean, people have seen this and loved it, getting their money's worth. People see what will interest them.

Sub-Prime wrote:Rating Bay's movies.

OK, might as well throw in my 2 cents, since this is turning into a discussion on Bay's career. And why shouldn't it?

Bad Boys: 4/5. Great action, good story, good comedy.

The Rock: 5/5. 1 of my top 5 favorites of all time. It is what an action movie should be. Relentless pace, great effects, recognizable stars, some good comedy, and a believable story. Great movie. I will put it up against any action movie in history.

Armageddon: 3/5. A bloated version of The Rock, basically. I liked it well enough, there were enough comedic scenes, enough recognizable names, plenty of action, but the attempted drama, along with "Permission to shake the hand of the daughter of the bravest man I have ever met." kinda threw it off for me. And I actually really like William Fichtner. Great actor.

Pearl Harbor: 2/5. I love historical films, especially war movies. This, however, was not a war movie. It was an attempted love story wrapped in explosions and death. Had the love triangle been either taken out or reduced, I would have enjoyed it much more. I always felt this was Bay's attempt at his version on Titanic. It just didn't work.

Bad Boys II: 4/5. Just a jacked-up version of the original. However, the freeway scene with all the cars being dropped is 1 of my favorite chase scenes ever, almost as good as the Hummer/Ferrari chase from The Rock.

The Island: 3/5. I always thought it was 1 of Bay's weaker movies, even though it had a good premise, and a pre-Marvel Scarlett Johanssen. (She was always fine, but in Avengers and Cap 2 she was just boner-inducing) I guess this is what happens when Bay attempts a movie with an actually clever story. It was good enough, but not great.

Transformers: 4/5. I liked everything about it, except the catering to the military. If that was reduced greatly, it would have been perfect.

Revenge of the Fallen: 2/5. Yeah, I thought this was on the level of Pearl Harbor. it was much of the same. An attempted "love story" amid explosions and giant alien robots. If the human stuff (drama and military) had been reduced, the action and TF story could have taken over, and it would have been better. Not much, but still better.

Dark of The Moon: 4/5. I loved this movie, it had the best TF story and action. What ruined it was once again too much military, and the total mistreatment of Shockwave and Megatron.

Pain & Gain: 2/5. Ugh. It had some funny moments and some action, but I never found it fun to watch, just OK. I was glad I didn't pay money to see it.

Age of Extinction: 3.5/5. Great TF story, great action, NO MILITARY, but still too much human drama despite the better acting, and it was just too long. If the human stuff got cut in half, this would have been 4.5/5. Here's hoping the improvement continues to TF5.

Through all these, it's no surprise Bay is almost synonymous with summer blockbuster. He pretty much owns the genre. The only other movies that can compete are Marvel's movies.

Finally saw it Thursday. Honestly thought it was better than the other three. You have to have a lot of sympathy with the Autobots constantly being hunted. If I were in Prime's shoes, I'd be the same exact way. Lockdown was probably the best villain so far. Would like to know how Megatron can d/l himself into a new body and have his memories still intact, as Prime stated the Spark is where their memories are stored. I may agree with a poster who said that when Sam killed Megatron the first time with the Allspark, mutating him in a way. Still, with some inconsistencies, I enjoyed the movie...and my orange fusion chicken (CineBistro in Tampa).

Side note - Anyone else keep getting Battle Cry stuck in their head? Great song.

That_Guy wrote:Finally saw it Thursday. Honestly thought it was better than the other three. You have to have a lot of sympathy with the Autobots constantly being hunted. If I were in Prime's shoes, I'd be the same exact way. Lockdown was probably the best villain so far. Would like to know how Megatron can d/l himself into a new body and have his memories still intact, as Prime stated the Spark is where their memories are stored. I may agree with a poster who said that when Sam killed Megatron the first time with the Allspark, mutating him in a way. Still, with some inconsistencies, I enjoyed the movie...and my orange fusion chicken (CineBistro in Tampa).

Side note - Anyone else keep getting Battle Cry stuck in their head? Great song.

I've literally had it stuck in my head since I first heard it.

Further proof Movieverse isn't changing anytime soon.

Isn't the next two movies being directed by someone else?

Clunker wrote:Isn't the next two movies being directed by someone else?

That isn't clear yet, rumours I've heard say Bay may be back for 5. They are taking it movie by movie. I would be surprised if he wasn't mind.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Slashercon wrote:How to Train Your Dragon 2...an example of a superior film to something that is getting heaps of money. And I haven't even seen AOE yet. I KNOW that I'm gonna see and maybe possibly enjoy it.(I refuse to pay money for seeing it.) And seeing Bay pass up so many directors is a constant reminder of the shear ignorance of the world. (This is is also the most negative post I've ever had on seibertron.)

I think that's a little harsh. About the ignorance of the world I mean, people have seen this and loved it, getting their money's worth. People see what will interest them.

Sad but true. But I still stand by what I said, harsh or not. I honestly think the only reason I'm so upset is because HTTYD2 isn't doing well financially while TF4 is. Had that not been the case, I probably wouldn't be as riled up. And I'm not even a hardcore Dragons fan.

Slashercon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Slashercon wrote:How to Train Your Dragon 2...an example of a superior film to something that is getting heaps of money. And I haven't even seen AOE yet. I KNOW that I'm gonna see and maybe possibly enjoy it.(I refuse to pay money for seeing it.) And seeing Bay pass up so many directors is a constant reminder of the shear ignorance of the world. (This is is also the most negative post I've ever had on seibertron.)

I think that's a little harsh. About the ignorance of the world I mean, people have seen this and loved it, getting their money's worth. People see what will interest them.

Sad but true. But I still stand by what I said, harsh or not. I honestly think the only reason I'm so upset is because HTTYD2 isn't doing well financially while TF4 is. Had that not been the case, I probably wouldn't be as riled up. And I'm not even a hardcore Dragons fan.

That's because AOE is a better movie.

Sorry for derailing
probably discussed earlier in thread

WTF with the changing sequence of Galvatron and the KSI-formers? is this an attempt to bring Kreo into the movieverse?

negifan wrote:Sorry for derailing
probably discussed earlier in thread

WTF with the changing sequence of Galvatron and the KSI-formers? is this an attempt to bring Kreo into the movieverse?

??? Where do you get Kreo from morphing? That's the technology KSI uses to transform their drones. It was explained in the movie.

Ironically, Kre-O doesn't even do the 2-in-1 big builds anymore and none of the Movie Kreons are Micro-Changers either.

I assume the KSI-bot transformations were so wildly different to separate them from "real" Transformers. And perhaps to save time/money (cheaper to just copy-paste a plain cube a million times than to make individual gears, pistons, wires, etc.)

I would never watch HTTYD 2. The reason it can't compete is because it's mainly for kids. Transformers have a wide range of age groups. It started in 84, almost 30 years ago.

Slashercon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Slashercon wrote:How to Train Your Dragon 2...an example of a superior film to something that is getting heaps of money. And I haven't even seen AOE yet. I KNOW that I'm gonna see and maybe possibly enjoy it.(I refuse to pay money for seeing it.) And seeing Bay pass up so many directors is a constant reminder of the shear ignorance of the world. (This is is also the most negative post I've ever had on seibertron.)

I think that's a little harsh. About the ignorance of the world I mean, people have seen this and loved it, getting their money's worth. People see what will interest them.

Sad but true. But I still stand by what I said, harsh or not. I honestly think the only reason I'm so upset is because HTTYD2 isn't doing well financially while TF4 is. Had that not been the case, I probably wouldn't be as riled up. And I'm not even a hardcore Dragons fan.

You are basically say that everyone who has enjoyed the Transformers movies is ignorant.
It's not harsh, it's insulting.

great now hes never going to go away. But this doenst prove anything it just shows he knows when to release movies. I guarantee if he released his movies during the winter or when there was another big name movie out he wouldnt do so good. If he wants to show how "good" his movies are go head to head with avengers or the next avatar. But im surprised to see lucas so low on the list, i thought he wouldd be 2nd or 3rd.

But on another note i have to agree with negifan on the kreo thing, first time i saw the drone "transform" i said hey look a kreo. Just think about it how do you "trasform" a kreo? You build a robot then take it apart & build a car or what ever the alt is. Kreo hasnt sold well so what better way to try & boost sale than to throw it in a movie no matter how stupid & unrealistic it is.

Megatron Wolf wrote:great now hes never going to go away. But this doenst prove anything it just shows he knows when to release movies. I guarantee if he released his movies during the winter or when there was another big name movie out he wouldnt do so good. If he wants to show how "good" his movies are go head to head with avengers or the next avatar. But im surprised to see lucas so low on the list, i thought he wouldd be 2nd or 3rd.

I think you'll find the release dates are set by the studios Marketing Department, the Director would have very little say in it.

Much like the Director doesn't write the scripts with all the plot holes.

But hey, Bay bashing ... I get it, people enjoy it, it should be an Olympic sport.

Burn wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:great now hes never going to go away. But this doenst prove anything it just shows he knows when to release movies. I guarantee if he released his movies during the winter or when there was another big name movie out he wouldnt do so good. If he wants to show how "good" his movies are go head to head with avengers or the next avatar. But im surprised to see lucas so low on the list, i thought he wouldd be 2nd or 3rd.

I think you'll find the release dates are set by the studios Marketing Department, the Director would have very little say in it.

Much like the Director doesn't write the scripts with all the plot holes.

But hey, Bay bashing ... I get it, people enjoy it, it should be an Olympic sport.

That would make for an interesting sport...How would you judge it?.
Seriously though I bet some movies in the past and present, have had their release dates changed to avoid competing with a Transformers movie.

Funny thing is a Marvel/DC/whatever movie could of opened and AoE would of still done well. People would of saw both movies People wouldn't watch AoE just because it's on, they would watch it because they wanted to.

the fact that bay is 2nd on this list because of the goddamn awful tf films tells me a few things............a lot of ppl are way to easily entertained but utter garbage these days.........and most ppl that are stuffing bays pocket have no goddamn taste or care about a good story............
I love TFs since i was a kid in the 80s, all the shows i watched..........these movies are not TFs to me.......more like goddamn go bots........
if i offended anyone by my comments.....OH WELL!!!! :KREMZEEK: >:oP

ZeroWolf wrote:That would make for an interesting sport...How would you judge it?.

Big points for anyone who can do a Bay-bash backed up by actual facts and not fanboy rage.

Seriously though I bet some movies in the past and present, have had their release dates changed to avoid competing with a Transformers movie.

Not just Transformer movies, other big movies as well. It's not uncommon for movies to be shifted a couple of weeks to avoid opening against a "juggernaut".

Still not the Directors decision though.

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:the fact that bay is 2nd on this list because of the goddamn awful tf films tells me a few things............a lot of ppl are way to easily entertained but utter garbage these days.........and most ppl that are stuffing bays pocket have no goddamn taste or care about a good story............
I love TFs since i was a kid in the 80s, all the shows i watched..........these movies are not TFs to me.......more like goddamn go bots........
if i offended anyone by my comments.....OH WELL!!!! :KREMZEEK: >:oP

Looking at all the comments about the movie in this thread, a lot of comments seem to be either of the mindset of "It was a good movie and I liked it!" or "It was a bad movie and I didn't like it!"

Tell me honestly, is there anybody here who saw the movie and is of the mindset of "It was a bad movie, but I liked it!"?

Anyone here who felt that it was "objectively bad" but still "subjectively enjoyed" it?

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone here who felt that it was "objectively bad" but still "subjectively enjoyed" it?

I think that would be kinda tough to do. The movie was made with serious intentions. If Bay would have decided to make it as a satire, then maybe, yeah.

The only "bad" movie I ever enjoyed was Santa's Slay. Freakin' masterpiece of black humor.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone here who felt that it was "objectively bad" but still "subjectively enjoyed" it?

I think that would be kinda tough to do.

Not entirely, as the concept of accepting a movie as "not a good movie" yet still finding enjoyment in it makes it into a "guilty pleasure".

Take the G1 cartoon, for instance. By today's standards, it's 98 episodes of mediocre storytelling, archaic animation, one- to two-dimensional characters, hokey science/logic, and purely non-nutritional substance. Yet, it is still beloved by many fans who, even after removing their nostalgia glasses, get some genuine enjoyment out of it. There are many fans who accept it for what it is, yet still find it delightful.

'Course, I am just referring to the fans who openly recognize it as being far from masterpiece quality and not those other particular fans who have been so blinded by their nostalgia into thinking that the G1 cartoon seriously is a masterpiece, but I digress.

As an example of my own, I see the RiD cartoon as hardly worthwhile from an objective viewpoint, yet still get a kick out of it from a subjective viewpoint. Thus, the RiD cartoon is my guilty pleasure.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone here who felt that it was "objectively bad" but still "subjectively enjoyed" it?

I think that would be kinda tough to do.

Not entirely, as the concept of accepting a movie as "not a good movie" yet still finding enjoyment in it makes it into a "guilty pleasure".

Take the G1 cartoon, for instance. By today's standards, it's 98 episodes of mediocre storytelling, archaic animation, one- to two-dimensional characters, hokey science/logic, and purely non-nutritional substance. Yet, it is still beloved by many fans who, even after removing their nostalgia glasses, get some genuine enjoyment out of it. There are many fans who accept it for what it is, yet still find it delightful.

'Course, I am just referring to the fans who openly recognize it as being far from masterpiece quality and not those other particular fans who have been so blinded by their nostalgia into thinking that the G1 cartoon seriously is a masterpiece, but I digress.

As an example of my own, I see the RiD cartoon as hardly worthwhile from an objective viewpoint, yet still get a kick out of it from a subjective viewpoint. Thus, the RiD cartoon is my guilty pleasure.

Well, then maybe in 20-30 years when the technology for CGI improves very much over the current being used, and perhaps there will be great TF movies with serious TF stories being made as true reboots of this series of films, these TF movies will be watched purely for guilty pleasure enjoyment. But right now, it's the best we have, and I don't think most people can look at it as a good "bad" movie. I will admit, DoTM and AoE kinda made me look at RoTF that way...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, then maybe in 20-30 years when the technology for CGI improves very much over the current being used, and perhaps there will be great TF movies with serious TF stories being made as true reboots of this series of films, these TF movies will be watched purely for guilty pleasure enjoyment. But right now, it's the best we have, and I don't think most people can look at it as a good "bad" movie.

What if I were to show you a person who can?

It was to much more of the same for me, I mean I thought the dialogue in Pacific Rim was bad but loved the movie, I didn't have that with transformers.

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powersteamracing wrote:Although I had to explain to my wife that he was probably able to survive dieing from DOTM because of dark Energon. I know he hacked the man made bots, but it looked like Dark Energon to me more than just a virus. Maybe that might be a plot point in one of the next movies.

So, you had to explain something by making something up? There was never any hint of Dark Energon existing in these movies, so no one should ever be thinking about Dark Energon when watching these movies.

Plus, Dark Energon is purple, not bright blue.[/quote]

Well, I'm colorblind, I thought it was a bright purple.

I know Dark Energon wasn't mentioned, but the movie didn't really explain how Megatron survives. Optimus says the Spark contains the memories/soul........ but Galvatron doesn't have a Spark, little alone Megatron's. I can buy that his memory was downloaded into the new body, but again, Optimus said the Spark has the memories. Don't get me wrong I'm ok with the idea of Megs essentially being a virus of some sort, but trying to explain it to a woman who has very little TF knowledge, I had to come up with something. lol

powersteamracing wrote:I know Dark Energon wasn't mentioned, but the movie didn't really explain how Megatron survives. Optimus says the Spark contains the memories/soul........ but Galvatron doesn't have a Spark, little alone Megatron's. I can buy that his memory was downloaded into the new body, but again, Optimus said the Spark has the memories. Don't get me wrong I'm ok with the idea of Megs essentially being a virus of some sort, but trying to explain it to a woman who has very little TF knowledge, I had to come up with something. lol

It's simple, really. Megatron's alive as Galvatron when he shouldn't be alive. So it's a plot hole.

it's not really a plot hole. Galvatron doesn't have Megatrons soul anymore. Only his thoughts. Remember when Optimus told him " You have no soul"?

Sub-Prime wrote:it's not really a plot hole. Galvatron doesn't have Megatrons soul anymore. Only his thoughts. Remember when Optimus told him " You have no soul"?

Even still, Galvatron should not have even been alive without a spark. A Transformer cannot survive without one, unless they're just lifeless drones or zombies running on artificial power sources. Or if they're powered by AllSpark energy substituting their spark.

None of the KSI bots had a spark either so you answered your question. They are running on some other power source. The Humans can't create a spark.

Sub-Prime wrote:None of the KSI bots had a spark either so you answered your question. They are running on some other power source. The Humans can't create a spark.

But Galvatron was shown to be alive. It was a plot point of the movie. That's what clashes with his having no spark.

Let's also remember that the humans have a piece of the allspark.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sub-Prime wrote:None of the KSI bots had a spark either so you answered your question. They are running on some other power source. The Humans can't create a spark.

But Galvatron was shown to be alive. It was a plot point of the movie. That's what clashes with his having no spark.

His brain activity was transferred to the Galvatron body. He infected the program to have the humans create him. It's kinda like a demon possessing a body.

Sub-Prime wrote:Let's also remember that the humans have a piece of the allspark.

Where/when was that shown/stated?

ROTF already took care of the last two shards, with one being stolen from N.E.S.T. by the Cons to revive Megatron, and the other found by Sam in his sweatshirt and used to revive Jetfire.

The only other thing that could give/restore life in this universe that we know of is the Matrix, which last we saw was still in Optimus's keep.

Sub-Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sub-Prime wrote:None of the KSI bots had a spark either so you answered your question. They are running on some other power source. The Humans can't create a spark.

But Galvatron was shown to be alive. It was a plot point of the movie. That's what clashes with his having no spark.

His brain activity was transferred to the Galvatron body. He infected the program to have the humans create him. It's kinda like a demon possessing a body.

The body still shouldn't have been alive without a spark, even if it showed signs of brain activity.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sub-Prime wrote:Let's also remember that the humans have a piece of the allspark.

Where/when was that shown/stated?

ROTF already took care of the last two shards, with one being stolen from N.E.S.T. by the Cons to revive Megatron, and the other found by Sam in his sweatshirt and used to revive Jetfire.

The only other thing that could give/restore life in this universe that we know of is the Matrix, which last we saw was still in Optimus's keep.

It makes me wonder what happened to the shard that revive Megatron in ROTF?