New IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Comic Series Announced, by Mags Visaggio & Fico Ossio

Damn.....what do the Visionaries have against Ironhide?

So are we just ignoring Pax Cybertronia now, or what? Do I take those covers with an ounce of sincerity, or write them off as shock-value only? Do I even care?

So glad I stopped reading this crap. Kill, Kill, Kill. That's all they know how to do to tell stories anymore. Easy pass, and I LOVED the Visionaries as a kid.

I do not connect the covers to the series, to be honest, especially for something that is about to launch from practically nothing.

We've seen the current crossovers (Rom vs TF, First Strike) pit side against side without actually sustaining any level of enmity between the two initial factions, so I have a feeling this may be similar in that regard.

As for Ironhide on the cover... I really have no idea why he's been chosen as the sacrifice for the success of the series. But I really like Visaggio's writing, and I am incredibly excited to read the book, even with some misgivings about Ossio's consistency on visuals!

I really hope they don't go ahead and kill Ironhide; I really started liking him in TAAO. Aside from that, this is looking pretty cool!

Gee more overly violent, shallow dark crap that so happens to be another crappy crossover.

Who ever said "Oh boy I always wanted to see Transformers fight the Visionaries" who the hell even cares?

Lexor looks like Sheamus. Now we just need him to shout FELLAAAAA!


Also if they are gonna be hurting Ironhide like that, I will be cheering for the bots. Get ur mitts off my bot!

im well up for this.

ive liked visionaires in the past in both comic and cartoon form (Twas a back up strip in the UK TF comic IIRC after its own comic got cancelled there) and i always thought there was a kernel of a great idea in it that could be updated for today.

TBH Though Rom would seem the closer fit, what with the whole "dire wraiths magic " thing.

it doesnt seem to have an organic fit for TF.

i mean technicallly speaking transformers should drop dead on the visionaries homeworld thanks to the whole "anti science" effect so all they really have to do is bugger off back there and laugh at anyone that follows them there from cybertron.

fingers crossed they have a good idea, the last thing we need is another "avengers/TF" Crossover that made no bloody sense at all But marketing decreed it happen.

and ive seen enough comics in my life to not buy that "ironhide dies" angle.

still could be fun.

Pretty much like the rest of the shared universe, I have no connection/knowledge of visionaries, and I don't really care. I am getting tired of everything being in transformers and us getting repeated crossovers to jump start new or failing brands. And come on, beating up on Ironhide like that is just rude.

No interest in the series at all. Getting really comic booked out lately thanks to repeated confusing crossovers and other rubbish coming into the transformers series I have loved the past several years

Well, as the resident Hasbro Universe fan, I can't wait! I've read Visaggio's work and she is a brilliant writer. Fico Ossio is a fantastic artist and his redesigned Spectral Knight and Darkling Lords are things of pure beauty. What works about this crossover is the same thing that works in First Strike. We have both heroes and villains from the other franchise. Yes, there will be some level of conflict in the beginning, but after that the good guys will team up to fight the bad guys.

On the subject of Ironhide: Chill. He might get injured or captured in the first issue, but they're not gonna kill him.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Pretty much like the rest of the shared universe, I have no connection/knowledge of visionaries, and I don't really care. I am getting tired of everything being in transformers and us getting repeated crossovers to jump start new or failing brands. And come on, beating up on Ironhide like that is just rude.

No interest in the series at all. Getting really comic booked out lately thanks to repeated confusing crossovers and other rubbish coming into the transformers series I have loved the past several years

...Y'know, I could say something about how this "chocolate in my peanut butter" attitude is nonsense, or how these crossovers have resulted in me discovering cool franchises I wouldn't have otherwise. I could point out that you don't have to buy or read any of the crossovers, or even address how your comment about "new or failing brands" is incredibly insulting to people who are longtime fans of some of those other franchises (like me).

But my time is probably better spent doing literally anything else, so I won't.

Daniel Adkins wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Pretty much like the rest of the shared universe, I have no connection/knowledge of visionaries, and I don't really care. I am getting tired of everything being in transformers and us getting repeated crossovers to jump start new or failing brands. And come on, beating up on Ironhide like that is just rude.

No interest in the series at all. Getting really comic booked out lately thanks to repeated confusing crossovers and other rubbish coming into the transformers series I have loved the past several years

...Y'know, I could say something about how this "chocolate in my peanut butter" attitude is nonsense

Now hold on a second! Chocolate and peanut butter are a great combination. i contest that saying (unless I misinterpreted)

Daniel Adkins wrote:or how these crossovers have resulted in me discovering cool franchises I wouldn't have otherwise. I could point out that you don't have to buy or read any of the crossovers, or even address how your comment about "new or failing brands" is incredibly insulting to people who are longtime fans of some of those other franchises (like me).

But my time is probably better spent doing literally anything else, so I won't.

I still try to keep up what is happening with the transformers that are in those comics, but it makes it difficult. And many of the ones that got jump started just haven't panned out that well, and it sucks that there were jump on points for them and then they haven't had the chance to go anywhere.

I don't want that to sound insulting, believe me I will not judge someone based on what you like to read and do etc (unless you like Tom Brady or listen to Justin Bieber, that is a bit difficult), it's just that everything is using the transformers to start off, and it's just not working out too well.

Now mind you ROM vs TF. is one where things finally went right. It is an enjoyable read, and one where I will pick up the TPB. It's just.. pretty much the only one that did it for me.

The problem for me pretty much is that if you want to follow the Transformers comics, then yes, you absolutely do have to read the crossovers. They contain incredibly important plot, world and character developments which means you miss out on a major part of the story if you skip over them. Though even then, I wouldn't mind so much if they weren't on such a constant basis. If they were a bit more spread out and not happening yearly - with smaller crossovers happening in between, no less! - and had a bit more time to develop before getting the occasional crossover every once in a while, it'd be so much better.

Either way, I'm gonna try and not let this affect how I view the Visionaries series myself. It's looking like a great creative team on the book, and it's certainly not their fault that they're having to springboard off of yet another crossover. I'm gonna give it a chance like anything else, and hope it's on the Action Man/Micronauts/Revolutionaries side of quality rather than the GI Joe/Mask side.

Kurona wrote:The problem for me pretty much is that if you want to follow the Transformers comics, then yes, you absolutely do have to read the crossovers. They contain incredibly important plot, world and character developments which means you miss out on a major part of the story if you skip over them.

Maybe this is just me as a long-time comics reader, but I disagree with this idea. Even just looking at, say, exRID to Optimus Prime. You can go from exRID #57 to OP #1 and the only thing that you might wonder about is how Mainframe knows Soundwave. Hardly an important plot detail. Plus, we live in the digital age, where anyone can go to a Wiki page or forum and find out what they missed if they really feel they need to. As for the other books? TAAO was completely unaffected by Revolution. MTMTE/LL (with the exception of Dark Cybertron) ignores everything. Heck, ROM Vs. TF is completely separate from anything, taking place 200 years in the past. Even for OP, they're keeping that series going through the events of First Strike.

Honestly, the only books that are seriously affected by crossovers are all the NON Transformers books. ROM #5? Opens with a page of Rom leaving Autobot City. Micronauts #7? The Micronauts are captured after the fight with Karza. M.A.S.K. spun out of Revolution. G.I. Joe now has Skywarp and Dire Wraiths running around. But the Transformers books? At best you could argue they have some military guys that aren't our previous military guys.

Daniel Adkins wrote:

Kurona wrote:The problem for me pretty much is that if you want to follow the Transformers comics, then yes, you absolutely do have to read the crossovers. They contain incredibly important plot, world and character developments which means you miss out on a major part of the story if you skip over them.

Maybe this is just me as a long-time comics reader, but I disagree with this idea. Even just looking at, say, exRID to Optimus Prime. You can go from exRID #57 to OP #1 and the only thing that you might wonder about is how Mainframe knows Soundwave. Hardly an important plot detail. Plus, we live in the digital age, where anyone can go to a Wiki page or forum and find out what they missed if they really feel they need to. As for the other books? TAAO was completely unaffected by Revolution. MTMTE/LL (with the exception of Dark Cybertron) ignores everything. Heck, ROM Vs. TF is completely separate from anything, taking place 200 years in the past. Even for OP, they're keeping that series going through the events of First Strike.

Honestly, the only books that are seriously affected by crossovers are all the NON Transformers books. ROM #5? Opens with a page of Rom leaving Autobot City. Micronauts #7? The Micronauts are captured after the fight with Karza. M.A.S.K. spun out of Revolution. G.I. Joe now has Skywarp and Dire Wraiths running around. But the Transformers books? At best you could argue they have some military guys that aren't our previous military guys.

I'll disagree slightly with TAAO and revolution since Windblade was some pretty significant things happen to her since she was hanging around for most of that series. I think the problem is more that if you want to follow all the exploits of your favorite transforming alien robots, then you have to pick up these other things that you wouldn't be interested in otherwise. If you like Skywarp, then you better get used to a bunch a squishy humans too. If you like Kup, I hope you can figure out whatever is going on in Revolutionaries (I guess they've been chasing the same artifact for the last six issues? What does Dr. X even want? What do any of the villains want besides "kill all robots?").

The other issue I find with these crossovers is that they make the chronology and placing of these characters more confusing and implausible. For instance, why is no other book talking about the time Baron Karza almost took over the world? Why is Rom the only one that cares about every major government institution being infiltrated by body snatchers, especially when all it takes is a dog to sort out who's a human and who isn't? Why wasn't Optimus Prime involved when a group of undead titans ravaged Cybertron?

Granted, we're a far cry from what goes on with Marvel and what goes on every time they have a crossover. I recently got into Deadpool and the Mercs for money and was incredibly frustrated when the plot was put on hold for X-Men vs Inhumans, where suddenly the book jumped into the middle of a plot I didn't understand. Then, immediately afterward, the book transitioned into another Deadpool crossover with Spider-Man, Till Death Do Us, where the book was suddenly in the middle of events where Shiklah is taking over New York.

Enough with the crossovers already. Is IDW ever gonna focus on their declining quality of Transformers books? Having them be involved in another universe is not a bad thing, but first how about they get the Transformers stories organized? How nice were the days when we had LL and RiD and nothing else... Maybe a 4 or 6 issue miniseries here or there. The IDW Transformers universe is getting way too cluttered. They could have waited a while after First Strike to get involved with another property again. Seems to me that any time Transformers gets mixed up with someone else, the TF stories only suffer in the long run. Enough. Concentrate on elevating the quality of LL first.

Yes, I'm aware that not the same creative team is responsible for both. But IDW has to approve everything before it ever goes to print.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Enough with the crossovers already. Is IDW ever gonna focus on their declining quality of Transformers books? Having them be involved in another universe is not a bad thing

I think this is what D-Max and others have been trying to say. We've given this all a chance and are open to these other franchises. If the output isn't as good as what we were getting, which it is not, then negative reactions are going to occur.

And really, what marketing genius said "hey, let's reintroduce this dead franchise by attaching it to Transformers and then immediately imply that they'll kill one of the most well defined and popular characters from our run with the license"?

All we want are good stories. The material so far shown for this does not give me hope that this will happen.

I hope to be, and can't wait for me to be so totally wrong about this.

At least Lost Light is magnificent

What is the actual decline in quality you guys keep referencing? Because I've yet to see anyone in this thread make a complaint about an actual Transformers book that doesn't boil down to just "things that aren't robots are dumb."

I find Optimus Prime to be as enjoyable as RID ever was. TAAO was a fantastic series that I wish more people had bought so that it could continue to happen. Lost Light sadly continues the spiral downward from MTMTE, but that began back in MTMTE Season 2. But, I still find it okay and am willing to pick it up and hope Roberts can recover. Revolutionaries has been a fun ride from beginning to end that delves into the deepest lore in this universe and revisits concepts that I never expected to see again. ROM Vs. Transformers is incredible and I dare say will be remembered as one of the definitive stand-alone Transformers stories, right up there with LSOTW.

So please, tell me. What am I missing here?

Daniel Adkins wrote:What is the actual decline in quality you guys keep referencing? Because I've yet to see anyone in this thread make a complaint about an actual Transformers book that doesn't boil down to just "things that aren't robots are dumb."

I find Optimus Prime to be as enjoyable as RID ever was. TAAO was a fantastic series that I wish more people had bought so that it could continue to happen. Lost Light sadly continues the spiral downward from MTMTE, but that began back in MTMTE Season 2. But, I still find it okay and am willing to pick it up and hope Roberts can recover. Revolutionaries has been a fun ride from beginning to end that delves into the deepest lore in this universe and revisits concepts that I never expected to see again. ROM Vs. Transformers is incredible and I dare say will be remembered as one of the definitive stand-alone Transformers stories, right up there with LSOTW.

So please, tell me. What am I missing here?

You mention the decline in story from MTMTE and Lost Light, and some people are definitely referring to that. It being 'okay' after a long run of it being 'very good' has definitely put people off. (It's frustrating on both sides of the argument, I know.)

Optimus Prime is probably - to me at least - better than xRID, maybe on par with the initial arcs (was not a fan of Megatron's return). Agreed on TAAO.

Rom vs Transformers has had two issues so far, so I'm reserving judgement, but the second has not lived up to the first for the readers on staff, effectively just restating what the first issue had set down, and sending Stardrive to background character status after one issue. That may pick up again in issue 3, but so far it's just a bit ..whelming, after the promise of the start.

Revolutionaries had ups and downs, with some highlights, and was completely truncated by the entire end-plot revealed in the solicits and scheduling issues. Editorial control on the books is slipping a little, as they try resettling the whole team, and in my opinion, Transformers do not have the support or numbers that IDW thinks they have to be able to hold up every new franchise being introduced into the universe.

As someone suggested above, why not have Rom vs Visionaries instead? Or even Micronauts, which is a much better series in terms of visibility of its writer, and Karza being at the centre of at least three events now? Rom is being set up as a very enjoyable series overall (though someone needs to edit Ryall much better, and forget he's the boss at IDW when doing so), the Rom vs TF series is already providing the hook - just split it off from there, instead of using the 'remnants of TAAO' to do the groundwork.


I'm not as negative as other commenters on this issue, but I agree with the disgruntlement that some have about some of the quality in the output. My biggest issue, I'll admit, is the lack of proper scheduling, the amount of influe--- interference from Hasbro corporate, and the editorial dwindlings. The books are collateral damage of those three elements.

What Va'al said. He's more diplomatic than I am.

Why is it, in these vs comics do they always show an Autobot getting skewered? I like the designs if not necessarily the artwork style.

Another crossover. Yay. Joy. Momentous. Exciting.

Now Hasbro & IDW Publishing has gone full SJW with MASK and Visionaries why aren't there any male main cast characters in My Little Pony?

Honestly I've given up on the hasbroverse and IDW, identity politics had taken over just like Marvel Comics.

Coptur wrote:Now Hasbro & IDW Publishing has gone full SJW with MASK and Visionaries why aren't there any male main cast characters in My Little Pony?

Honestly I've given up on the hasbroverse and IDW, identity politics had taken over just like Marvel Comics.

*pat pat*

Va'al wrote:

Coptur wrote:Now Hasbro & IDW Publishing has gone full SJW with MASK and Visionaries why aren't there any male main cast characters in My Little Pony?

Honestly I've given up on the hasbroverse and IDW, identity politics had taken over just like Marvel Comics.

*pat pat*

Keep your head in the sand and stick to the blue pills

Okay guys, knock it off. Everyone has differing opinions, there's no need to be nasty or condescending.

I've seen people be concerned about the more iconic elements of the Visionaries aesthetic - banners and chest symbols - but I'm still unsure as to why there is this concern. The concept art shows both off quite clearly (maybe not the banners admittedly, but the cover provides one of those at least).

Va'al wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:What is the actual decline in quality you guys keep referencing? Because I've yet to see anyone in this thread make a complaint about an actual Transformers book that doesn't boil down to just "things that aren't robots are dumb."

I find Optimus Prime to be as enjoyable as RID ever was. TAAO was a fantastic series that I wish more people had bought so that it could continue to happen. Lost Light sadly continues the spiral downward from MTMTE, but that began back in MTMTE Season 2. But, I still find it okay and am willing to pick it up and hope Roberts can recover. Revolutionaries has been a fun ride from beginning to end that delves into the deepest lore in this universe and revisits concepts that I never expected to see again. ROM Vs. Transformers is incredible and I dare say will be remembered as one of the definitive stand-alone Transformers stories, right up there with LSOTW.

So please, tell me. What am I missing here?

You mention the decline in story from MTMTE and Lost Light, and some people are definitely referring to that. It being 'okay' after a long run of it being 'very good' has definitely put people off. (It's frustrating on both sides of the argument, I know.)

Optimus Prime is probably - to me at least - better than xRID, maybe on par with the initial arcs (was not a fan of Megatron's return). Agreed on TAAO.

Rom vs Transformers has had two issues so far, so I'm reserving judgement, but the second has not lived up to the first for the readers on staff, effectively just restating what the first issue had set down, and sending Stardrive to background character status after one issue. That may pick up again in issue 3, but so far it's just a bit ..whelming, after the promise of the start.

Revolutionaries had ups and downs, with some highlights, and was completely truncated by the entire end-plot revealed in the solicits and scheduling issues. Editorial control on the books is slipping a little, as they try resettling the whole team, and in my opinion, Transformers do not have the support or numbers that IDW thinks they have to be able to hold up every new franchise being introduced into the universe.

As someone suggested above, why not have Rom vs Visionaries instead? Or even Micronauts, which is a much better series in terms of visibility of its writer, and Karza being at the centre of at least three events now? Rom is being set up as a very enjoyable series overall (though someone needs to edit Ryall much better, and forget he's the boss at IDW when doing so), the Rom vs TF series is already providing the hook - just split it off from there, instead of using the 'remnants of TAAO' to do the groundwork.


I'm not as negative as other commenters on this issue, but I agree with the disgruntlement that some have about some of the quality in the output. My biggest issue, I'll admit, is the lack of proper scheduling, the amount of influe--- interference from Hasbro corporate, and the editorial dwindlings. The books are collateral damage of those three elements.

If people do agree with me that Lost Light is dropping in quality, that's fine, but I must say I find it ironic that the one book to actually be getting worse is the one immune to the crossovers.

And on the point of "why use Transformers to lunch Visionaries," well... why WOULDN'T a company use their most popular IP to help sell their new one? It makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective. Plus, it lends itself well to a "Magic vs. Technology" theme. Plus, if my prediction is true and the Talisman does indeed come from Prysmos, this gives the Visionaries characters a connection the Transformers history and further builds up to the arrival of Onyx Prime. So it makes sense from a story perspective.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense from a story perspective, I'm trying to point out that IDW is not that good at doing this cross-franchise thing so far, bar some exceptions (in my opinion as comics reader with not too much investment in the brands themselves). I'm not expecting you to agree with me, or anyone else with anyone else, I was trying to illustrate my position!

Magic vs Technology is already the idea of Rom though, isn't it? Solstar Order (tech) vs Dire Wraiths (magic) could also be a fertile ground for the same type of set up, bar the Onyx connection. But if they have to use the Transformers franchise to launch their newer ones - why leave Lost Light out of it?

I'm all for Lost Light getting drawn into the crossovers, personally!

If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)

Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)

Which is why I'd love for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the rest of the bloody program.

As well as an editor who tells him to cut the words.

But getting back to Visionaries - I really like Visaggio, and I can warm up to Ossio if he does justice to the non-organic characters (so far been a bit wobbly on that part), so I'll definitely give this series a try!

Va'al wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)

Which is why I'd love for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the rest of the bloody program.

As well as an editor who tells him to cut the words.

But getting back to Visionaries - I really like Visaggio, and I can warm up to Ossio if he does justice to the non-organic characters (so far been a bit wobbly on that part), so I'll definitely give this series a try!

See, if there was a "dip" in quality, I think it was more when John Barber stepped down as editor, not when the crossovers happened.

Daniel Adkins wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:If Lost Light WAS drawn into the crossovers, that'd just result in even MORE complaints from that subsection of fans that only read MTMTE/LL and don't care about anything else. It also doesn't help that Roberts is clearly uninterested in having anything to do with the wider universe (both the wider Hasbro Universe and the other TF comics.)

Which is why I'd love for him to be dragged kicking and screaming into the rest of the bloody program.

As well as an editor who tells him to cut the words.

But getting back to Visionaries - I really like Visaggio, and I can warm up to Ossio if he does justice to the non-organic characters (so far been a bit wobbly on that part), so I'll definitely give this series a try!

See, if there was a "dip" in quality, I think it was more when John Barber stepped down as editor, not when the crossovers happened.

Oh, I'd agree, almost entirely.


It just happened to be that he stepped down and was then immediately working on Action Man, Revolution, Revolutionaries then Rom vs TF, so the coincidence of crossover and 'dip' is an easy one to make (not saying it's correct).

But like I said, I started to get bored with MTMTE midway through Season 2 and was enjoying exRID a lot more by the time Combiner Wars ended. So for me, everyone else is really just catching up to what I already noticed. XD
And if Barber giving up editing is the price to pay for having Action Man (both the character and the mini), it is a price I'm more than happy to pay (especially since all the other TF titles are still great, and we have non-TF titles that are great.)

We could also stop with the constant crossovers and let every book in the Hasbroverse continue unimpeded for a good while and hence letting them develop their own great stories and characters without needing to shove in pointless crossovers; that'd be cool too...

Kurona wrote:We could also stop with the constant crossovers and let every book in the Hasbroverse continue unimpeded for a good while and hence letting them develop their own great stories and characters without needing to shove in pointless crossovers; that'd be cool too...

What she said.

Regarding the crossovers as a whole, I'm all for them in the style of Shining Armor, i.e. allows both titular runs to have their own books along with crossovers unlike some others (I'm staring at you Revolution).

For this, it looks interesting as long as it doesn't turn into a Wrath of Karza-esque deal, where nothing that happened it gets mentioned at all. Since I wasn't alive at the time of the original Visionaries, I never had any experience with the original designs so I don't have any qualms about the changes. That being said, the looks for the Visionaries is awesome. I just hope it doesn't underpower the Cybertronians to the point of Bayverse to fight them, but since I am unaware of the Visionaries power levels, I could be okay of them 1v1'ing, although the pink one must be extremely tough to take out Ironhide.

On the Ironhide's involvement, I hope he's like Kup in Revolutionaries, meaning a contractor-type level who helps them out occasionly. They probably just analyze him here, just don't kill a semi-core character to show how powerful the newbies are

Pretty much what Va'al and Scotty have said illustrate my views at the moment.

Lost Light is a noticeable dip in quality, and MTMTE started to suffer after issue 38. The time travel arc was the best for Roberts, that arc put so much of the mythos and hints from the series into place. Now with issue 9 of LL coming up and the review coming I'd argue that just maybe we will be getting back on a better end story track (I will send some thoughts soon Va'al!)

OP is a great book, it really is, and I feel it is about as good as RiD was, if not a bit better/more touching. But I loved the Cybertronian politics of the first season and then the 2nd season went back to Earth and made it a bit too central. And OP/RiD is the one that keeps getting dragged into every single crossover, which can be a bit jarring. TAAO sort of took up the reigns of the Cybertron based story, and it was great, arguably the best of the past year. Not on Par with either Wreckers story, but very close (Wreckers stories are my favorites of the entire IDW run). So with regards to OP, it't not that the series has had a dip in quality, it just has needed to take some detours that may have delayed some good things coming.

And the IDW scheduling has really messed stuff up, geez. That hasn't helped either.

One thing I'd like for them to explore though is the Impactor/Mayhem team. The word Revolution was used by Impactor at the end when Revolution was being teased, but nothing yet. Oh and Verity and Springer, with everything on Earth happening, I am really surprised we haven't got a hint of them again.

But at least OP appears to be bringing back throttlebots. We are now recovering some lost elements from stories past.

As for Visionaries, I like the idea of them starting a crossover with a different franchise. Why couldn't they? ROM appears to be the most successful of the non-TF guys, so they could do something there.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As for Visionaries, I like the idea of them starting a crossover with a different franchise. Why couldn't they? ROM appears to be the most successful of the non-TF guys, so they could do something there.

I think there are several reasons why Transformers was picked.
1. Marketability - Transformers is the most successful of the Hasbro Universe properties, and it makes sense to use the most popular character(s) to spin-off new ones. This is an especially common practice in comics. The Legion of Super-Heroes were spun off from Superboy. Black Panther and the Inhumans were both introduced in Fantastic Four before getting their own titles. Hell, Transformers even did this with Death's Head.
2. Thematic - As I said earlier, magic vs. technology. If you have a bunch of wizards and knights from a land that has no technology whatsoever, wouldn't it be interesting to see some of them go up against a race that is entirely technological beings? Not only that, but the Visionaries also have the same ability as Transformers: they can transform into animals, which gives a neat duality to the two sets of characters.
3. Breadth of characters - Transformers has LOTS of characters and on the whole, a wider universe. There are characters that aren't being used currently in the other books or haven't been used recently that can be used without taking characters away from other books and creators.
4. The Talisman and Onyx Prime - Now this is more my prediction, but I bet my bottom dollar it's true. The Talisman, an artifact that was on Cybertron during the time of the Thirteen and was in the care of Onyx Prime, and which is powerful enough to destroy Cybertronians. Soundwave was drawn to the Talisman back in Revolutionaries #3, which led him to the Tomb of Amtoltec, which was adorned with a certain hexagonal symbol. Garrison Kreiger described the Talisman as "magic" in a story which was originally planned to be included in Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook #3, which had a subscription cover featuring the Revolutionaries, Optimus Prime, and a silhouetted Leoric. Anyone with half a brain can see that the Talisman is in some way connected to the Visionaries. However, it also has a connection to the Transformers. As such, any exploration of the Talisman's connection with the Visionaries would also require the exploration as to how it was connected to Onyx Prime (who ironically or purposefully, rules the Cybertronians that can turn into animals.) And who is the big bad that John Barber has been building up for several years now? Onyx Prime. Everything is about Onyx Prime. It's clear that Transformers vs. Visionaries is not some slap-dash bullshit made for the solely to force you to buy another comic book or launch a franchise. It is made to tell a story and advance the over-arching narrative of the Transformers books.

On the other hand, I can think of several reasons why ROM wasn't.
1. Smaller fanbase - Transformers has more readers than ROM. This is a (disappointing) fact, and goes against the marketing reason I mentioned above. It's bad enough the book is getting folded together with the Micronauts as ROM & The Micronauts, but it sure as hell couldn't support a third title. Not to mention, Rom is only one character rather than a huge franchise.
2. Earth - ROM is currently set on Earth, where Rom is fighting the Dire Wraiths. However, any arrival of (more) extraterrestrials on Earth would have to involve not only Rom, but G.I. Joe as well. And likely M.A.S.K. considering they're basically part of G.I. Joe. Not to mention the inevitable blow-back this will have with the Transformers considering recent events in Optimus Prime and how Earth is now part of the Council of Worlds. At that point, you might as well throw in the Micronauts and make it another event.
3. ROM's plot - Rom has too much plot as it is already. First we have the primary motivation of Rom and his war against the Wraiths. However, as of right now we also have Livia and Orphion on Earth, Darby Mason hunting down Dire Wraiths on her own, Camilla Byers fighting against her Dire Wraith infection, the coming arrival of the Presence, Caleb Awan's plans with Countdown and Axiom, and Beachhead and Grunt hunting down Rom because they think he's a threat to the world. And on top of all of that, the Micronauts are now going to be playing a part when the book gets relaunched. The only reason that ROM Vs. Transformers is able to exist is because it takes place in the past.

I want the Rom book to have more plot, actually. The Annual and recent back-up stories have really enriched a kinda safe/by the numbers Earth story - which made sense for the Earthfall arc, to be fair!

ScottyP wrote:I want the Rom book to have more plot, actually. The Annual and recent back-up stories have really enriched a kinda safe/by the numbers Earth story - which made sense for the Earthfall arc, to be fair!

I'd agree on this. And again, some editorial input on Ryall (self-declared biggest Rom fan around, Adkins, prove him wrong) might actually help that along beyond filling in gaps in corollary issues.

MORE plot? When the plot threads we already have (Darby and Camilla in particular) barely get enough time to actually develop?

Daniel Adkins wrote:MORE plot? When the plot threads we already have (Darby and Camilla in particular) barely get enough time to actually develop?

We're in agreement, actually! I'd also be ok with more depth to the existing plot

Via IDW artist Fico Ossio, a regular in the Hasbro Universe since before the Revolution event, we have some in progress art for the upcoming new series that will introduce a new franchise to the Hasbro roster, alongside the Transformers: Visionaries!

Ossio so far has shown Virulina, the main character from all we've seen so far, and Leoric, both radically redesigned from the original series. The promotional material for the book, called Transformers vs Visionaries, currently pits the two factions directly against each other - but will that be the case in the series itself? Check out the images below, join our discussion in the Energon Pub, and let's have some more magic vs technology fights going on.

Also coming to us from Seibertronian Sunstar (via the Twitter account of IDW assistant editor David Mariotte), we got a sneak peak into IDW's upcoming miniseries Transformers vs Visionaries! It was kind of snuck into the larger panel from the 'Till All Are One annual we reported on here in the same tweet, but we get a couple of panels featuring Kup, Ironhide, and two of the Visionaries themselves! This series will be written by Magdalene Visaggio and art will be provided by Fico Ossio, who drew the Revolutionaries series and also, the first issue of Miconauts. The first issue of Transformers vs. Visionaries should be coming out next month!






What do you think of these couple of images? Will you be buying the series? Let us know below!

Kip in last panel looks to human non transformer likeness in face if it wasn’t for body connected to Kip body I say it was human but car parts give it away show it transformer with human face

Kip in last panel looks to human non transformer likeness in face if it wasn’t for body connected to Kip body I say it was human but car parts give it away show it transformer with human face

You mean 'Kup'. I just had a kip and now I feel rested.

Looks like Kup and Ironhide are in the New Prysmos we saw Krieger (or whoever) create within Cybertron

Looks like the Universal Greeting is about to work every time!

Why do I have a suspicious idea the plot of Transformers vs Visionaries is just Visionaries blame the transformers for the death of their world or people, so they attack. But maybe twist of all twist it was somebody else. Or maybe I'm just crazy.

So IDW recently shared a page from Transformers Vs Visionaries on Instagram. https://twitter.com/...628452974891009

I like that theres a hint towards a backstory with the Visionaries that may imply some form of the events from the show. This also gives us a hint as to why Darkstorm isnt in the character roster.