Transformers: Age of Extinction Amazon Limited Edition Blu-Ray and Grimlock Statue Set at $29.99

Sabrblade wrote:Wow, 75% off? That's either way too good a deal to be true, or Amazon must be pretty desperate to get rid of them.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Ya'll know that whole "Knights' Terminus" thing Lockdown was talking about? Turns out what he really said was "Welcome back to the Knights' Temenos."

How do you know this?

DVD subtitles.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Ya'll know that whole "Knights' Terminus" thing Lockdown was talking about? Turns out what he really said was "Welcome back to the Knights' Temenos."

How do you know this?

DVD subtitles.

Because subtitles have ALWAYS been reliable...

Sabrblade wrote:And subtitles are not the same thing as Closed Captions.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:2: It had the best Decepticon characters in any of the movies.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:4: It had Decepticons instead of Vehicons.

Sabrblade wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:2: It had the best Decepticon characters in any of the movies.

There were Decepticon characters in these movies?

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:4: It had Decepticons instead of Vehicons.

No movie has had Vehicons.[/petpeeve]

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well... they're more characters in the first movie than they were in any movie after!

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:And I thought they were called Vehicons in AoE? Where the hell did I hear that then? Eh, either way, they sure as hell aren't Decepticons. Galvatron.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I just watched the 2007 movie again. I can confirm that it's a better movie than AoE for a few reasons.

1: It has ONE (1) central story, and minor sub-plots that mesh almost flawlessly with that story.

2: It had the best Decepticon characters in any of the movies. Including the single best introduction scene of any of the movies.

3: Unlike the other movies, where they have a huge amount of funding for their CGI, the first film can get away with having a lot of humans in it because it costs a lot of money to animate a CGI model with tens of thousands of moving parts.

4: It had Decepticons instead of Vehicons.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I just watched the 2007 movie again. I can confirm that it's a better movie than AoE for a few reasons.

1: It has ONE (1) central story, and minor sub-plots that mesh almost flawlessly with that story.

2: It had the best Decepticon characters in any of the movies. Including the single best introduction scene of any of the movies.

3: Unlike the other movies, where they have a huge amount of funding for their CGI, the first film can get away with having a lot of humans in it because it costs a lot of money to animate a CGI model with tens of thousands of moving parts.

4: It had Decepticons instead of Vehicons.

I also like how, at the time of the first one, Optimus Prime hadn't yet devolved into the bloodthirsty, face-stealing psychopath we now know him as.

BERSEKAEL wrote:I finally got mine and is just amazing, so I am dropping couple pictures here. the blu ray dvd has different cover presentation for the 3 figurines pack promotion and the grimlock-optimus set, besides the content is identical, and the statue is huge making more sense with bumblebee and stinger rather than optimus from the 3 figurines set.

Skywarp64 wrote:I also like how, at the time of the first one, Optimus Prime hadn't yet devolved into the bloodthirsty, face-stealing psychopath we now know him as.

Sabrblade wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:I also like how, at the time of the first one, Optimus Prime hadn't yet devolved into the bloodthirsty, face-stealing psychopath we now know him as.

Yeah, he hadn't quite gotten to taking faces yet, taking the whole of Bonecrusher's head off instead.

By ROTF, he settled for just the faces.

Skywarp64 wrote:In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face.

Sabrblade wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face.

Don't forget that he shot the disabled Demolishor in the face.

Sabrblade wrote:And he tore through Shockwave in DOTM, along with several generic Cons he slashed his way through to get to Shockwave.

Sabrblade wrote:And he gunned down Attinger.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And he gunned down Attinger.

Begging your pardon, but who's Attinger?

Sabrblade wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:Begging your pardon, but who's Attinger?

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:And I think he also Destroyed Cybertron, or part of Cybertron.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:Begging your pardon, but who's Attinger?

Ah yes, Frasier Cane.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:I also like how, at the time of the first one, Optimus Prime hadn't yet devolved into the bloodthirsty, face-stealing psychopath we now know him as.

Yeah, he hadn't quite gotten to taking faces yet, taking the whole of Bonecrusher's head off instead.

By ROTF, he settled for just the faces.

It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

That's why I like him.

Skywarp64 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

That's why I like him.

Fine by me, psycho.

Skywarp64 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

That's why I like him.

Fine by me, psycho.

megatronus wrote:Also, your FOC Skywarp is missing a paint app.

Skywarp64 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

That's why I like him.

Fine by me, psycho.

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do.

Skywarp64 wrote:In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled.

Skywarp64 wrote:In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Skywarp64 wrote:He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint.

Skywarp64 wrote:He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Skywarp64 wrote:Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

Autobot032 wrote:He worked with the guy, came up with this grand scheme and in the end, puts a bullet in his back and beats him so hard his helmet comes off. Why? Because he was going to kill his arch enemy for him.

Autobot032 wrote:Hong Kong was already shredded to pieces by Lockdown,

• Joshua and Yueming fleeing from Cemetery Wind
• Galvatron and the KSI bots arrive
• The Autobots arrive and are shot down
• Savoy goes after the humans with the Seed and fights Cade
• Hound and Bumblebee start fighting the KSI bots
• Optimus awakens and coerces the Dinobots
• Hound, Bee, and Cade fight more KSI bots until Prime and the Dinobots arrive
• The Autobots and Dinobots tear through the city destroying 45 of the 50 KSI bots
• Bumblebee and Strafe fight and destroy one of those 45: Stinger
• The Autobots/Dinobots try to lead the humans with the Seed out of the city
• Lockdown's ship arrives and magnetically tears the city apart further
• Optimus destroys the magnetic vortex
• Optimus, Bumblebee, Cade, Tessa, and Shane engage and destroy Lockdown
• Optimus uses Lockdown's grenade to destroy the last 5 of the 50 KSI bots
• The Chinese military deals with Lockdown's ship/Galvatron walks away after having done nothing in the fight
• All our heroes regroup at the coast, the Dinobots leave, and Optimus blasts off

Autobot032 wrote:That kind of behavior isn't necessary and isn't appreciated here, Skywarp. Please don't do that again. Sly's words speak for themselves and don't require judgment, he presents himself as he is. Labels just make the matter worse.

Autobot032 wrote:Now, back on topic, I'll address your post:

Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do.

So...every soldier is a cold, hardened killer? No. Sorry, but no. Scarred and damaged? Yes. Did it ever occur to you that Optimus wasn't always like this in the films? In the first one, he had to kill Bonecrusher. Bonecrusher ran through, and split in half, a bus full of people who most assuredly died. He flung cars full of people around on the highway. Prime stepped in and killed him when he had the chance. If it were a car chase and cops had to kill the driver before he killed anyone else, you don't think they'd take that shot? What about all the mobsters in the '20s? Cops shot them up like it was a shooting squad. Would one well placed round have done it? Sure. They got caught up in the moment and wasted full clips sometimes. Prime didn't even go that far. He got Bonecrusher away from the people and in a moment of battle, decapitated him with a good shot. I'd much rather he do that than allow Bonecrusher to mow down innocent people caught in the crosshairs.

Autobot032 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled.

Grindor, I'll give you. That was straight up Bayhem.

As for The Fallen, I'm not sure what the heck it was, but I won't lie, I was so disgusted with The Fallen by that point that when Optimus killed him, I was kinda like "Hell yeah! We won!"

As for DOTM, I hate this part because no one is willing to look at it logically and correctly. Megatron wasn't all that weakened. He had a head wound, yes, but all those little scalpel bots were slowly repairing him, plus he had no problem beating the hell out of Sentinel before shooting him. Not all that weak, I'd say.

Autobot032 wrote:It also further proves he can't be trusted. He worked with the guy, came up with this grand scheme and in the end, puts a bullet in his back and beats him so hard his helmet comes off. Why? Because he was going to kill his arch enemy for him. That's a pretty messed up guy. Also, people like to bring up the fact that he wanted a truce with Optimus, but how is that a truce? He wanted to rule and that's not a partnership, that's not a truce, that's exactly what G1 Megatron's techspec calls it: Peace through tyranny. That's no way to live, and you know it.

Autobot032 wrote:And Sentinel? He wasn't defenseless, not really. He was incredibly intelligent. Had he been given just a few moments more, he probably could've convinced Optimus with his words and his "honor". Prior to that, he made the Decepticons kill THOUSANDS at his command.

Autobot032 wrote:On top of that? He killed Ironhide and was going to kill the rest of the Autobots because he KNEW they'd stand in his way. Defenseless? Hardly.

Autobot032 wrote:When you've gone down the evil rabbit hole as Sentinel had, you're defenseless sure, but only in the he's completely indefensible way. There's no court on Earth that would allow him to live. Like any killer dictator, we sentence them to death. He would've been sentenced to death in a heartbeat.

Autobot032 wrote:The humans wouldn't have even given him what Optimus did: A quick and easy death. We'd have torn him apart, slowly, painfully and then we would've experimented on him.

Wait a tick... WE DID. We used his brain and Megatron's to create more monsters, which leads me to:

Autobot032 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

He raged out because his only friends and allies turned against him and started killing his own people. Not only that, they melted them down with nothing left. You know? He could've brought them back with the Matrix, but he wasn't given that chance. We took them from him and chopped them up and turned them into unGodly creations that had no right to exist. Let's say you had a pet cat or dog, and someone dug up that poor thing's carcass and reused its rotting pieces to create a new cat or dog in their desired image. You'd not only be justifiably angry, but you'd be outright disgusted. What if they took someone's living pet, relative, friend, whatever they are to that person and killed them, then rebuilt them as something else? I think you'd lose it. I know I would. Why? That's horrible, it's disgusting, it's immoral and it's a level of evil no one should ever, ever cross. Yet, humanity did AND allowed it because the CIA/Cemetary Wind lied about it's efforts. Oh, and to do all of that over a fat payday? That's even lower.

Autobot032 wrote:This part?

Skywarp64 wrote:He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint.

He does indeed tear through the facility, but NO one died or was injured. In fact, Crosshairs told them all to leave and they did just that. He fired his weapon into the air, never once at a single human. Prime? He shot up the unGodly creations Joshua and his **** team of scientists had played God with. The humans in the facility were never once in danger, the Autobots let ALL of them go, including Joshua. And you better believe he destroyed the research, it's immoral and inhuman. As for sticking the gun in Joshua's face? Yeah, he did, because he wanted to tell him where to stick it. He also said he'd kill the person responsible for all of this and technically, Joshua was just as dirty as Attinger, and Prime not only let him go, but ended up working with him to some degree and let him live without so much as a word after he got his point across.

What really bothers me is you know WHERE that thousands of dollars of research came from and the fact that Optimus destroyed it is what bothers you. That's scary. It really is. Have you actually sat down and thought about that? You're okay with them killing Autobots like Leadfoot and Ratchet and melting them down to create those soulless KSI bots, but you're not okay with Optimus going on a much smaller kill streak in anger and in defense of us? That...*shudders* That's scary.

Autobot032 wrote:And finally, we come to this:

Skywarp64 wrote:He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.

Hong Kong was already shredded to pieces by Lockdown, Prime bring the Dinobots in as added muscle to help stop him was like throwing a pebble onto a mountain that had already been made out of a molehill. The Dinobots ran off, it's true, but after everything that's happened, there is ZERO reason to believe that they'll go and attack anyone or anything. They had the chance to go on a rampage when they left the docks, they could've trampled the people, instead, they ran off for the hills to be by themselves. If anything, they have the mindset of animals and just want to be left alone. Chances are we won't see them again in the film series and we won't hear about them causing any problems.

Autobot32 wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't agree with most of your points. I'll give you Grindor, but the rest of it? No. Especially the research part. No joke? That sent a shiver up my spine when I read that. Should Prime kill all the time and with every chance he gets? Of course not, but should we do the same? No. And one thing you must remember, Prime's a soldier now, thanks to us. Do you have any idea what soldiers must go through in times of war? Did you ever study up on Vietnam? The Gulf War? The War On Terrorism? Any of it? The atrocities our soldiers committed were sometimes just as bad as the people they were fighting and sometimes worse, but you want to say Optimus is horrible for doing the same thing he was taught? That just sucks. Plain and simple.

Autobot032 wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.

So are the people he defends us from. Let's do a quick run down, shall we?

-One beheading.
-Two faces ripped.
-Three injured Decepticons killed. (I'll count Sentinel among them, he was no Autobot.)
-Split Lockdown up the middle.

That's a FAR cry from a highway full of people (Bonecrusher), a village in the Middle East (The Fallen/Megatron), 3,000+ in Chicago (Sentinel/Megatron) and a city full of millions upon millions of people and priceless cultural relics (Lockdown).

Autobot032 wrote:Oh and not to mention, nearly the remainder of his race wiped out by those he thought were friends and allies in a genocidal money making scheme. (Attinger/Joshua/KSI) Plus, in their egregious mindset of playing God, they (KSI) not only brought back one of the worst minds in history/the universe, they brought him back without a soul this time, so he has no fear and his body is better than ever, which will make him a REALLY tough target to kill. Plus, who knows which Autobots were used in his construction.

I'm going to give Optimus a solid pass, here. His killstreak PALES in comparison to those he stopped, in the effort to save us, even though we have no right to his protection.

He's a scary guy, huh? No, he has to do scary things because he's the one who has to get his hands dirty to save us, just like every other soldier, while we sit in judgement from afar and change the channel when we don't like it.

What's scary are the people who allow such atrocities to even happen in the first place. What's scary is the mindset that thousands of dollars of research and development are worth more than the lives it took.

Sabrblade wrote:Formatting issues making it sooooooo hard to follow the above post.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Formatting issues making it sooooooo hard to follow the above post.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what went wrong. I'll keep trying to fix it, but I could swear I've got all the quote tags and endquote tags in the right spots. I obviously don't, but I can't figure out the issue.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:As for DOTM, I hate this part because no one is willing to look at it logically and correctly. Megatron wasn't all that weakened. He had a head wound, yes, but all those little scalpel bots were slowly repairing him, plus he had no problem beating the hell out of Sentinel before shooting him. Not all that weak, I'd say.

Then how come Optimus tore through him so easily? In the first film, their battle took a considerable amount of time and Optimus nearly lost before Sam saved the day. But here, he manages to kill Megatron within minutes. How is this possible unless Megatron was considerably weakened?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:As for DOTM, I hate this part because no one is willing to look at it logically and correctly. Megatron wasn't all that weakened. He had a head wound, yes, but all those little scalpel bots were slowly repairing him, plus he had no problem beating the hell out of Sentinel before shooting him. Not all that weak, I'd say.

Then how come Optimus tore through him so easily? In the first film, their battle took a considerable amount of time and Optimus nearly lost before Sam saved the day. But here, he manages to kill Megatron within minutes. How is this possible unless Megatron was considerably weakened?

Surprise attack. Getting an energon axe to the chest will do all sorts of damage. If Prime could have done that in the 1st film, he would have had similar success. Though it wouldn't have been as severe right away, because Megatron was stronger in the 1st film. He kept getting progressively weaker with each installment of Bayverse. Once he was on his knees, it was easy for Prime to deliver the (apparently not) final strike.

ZeroWolf wrote:Okay, after reading your post skywarp I've got a few point of my own.
First, you get annoyed by people who defend things you don't like? That's not a good attitude to have. You should relish the Chance to see a new point of view, you may go away with a new understanding

ZeroWolf wrote:Second) so your main beef seems to be that optimus is nothing like his 2nd cardboard cutout self in the G1 Cartoon. Is this a bad thing? I mean there is more people debating this prime then the G1 version.

ZeroWolf wrote:Plus kids seem to like this prime as does hasbro, I know it's not much but they're the views that ultimately matter to hasbro.

ZeroWolf wrote:Thirdly Megatron was at his full strength at the end of Dotm, it's just his full isn't at the same level as the first film. You're right though it could of been dramatic but the film was long enough already. I'm glad it was the way it was.

ZeroWolf wrote:Finally you never addressed Autobot 032 points in bold.

Skywarp64 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:As for DOTM, I hate this part because no one is willing to look at it logically and correctly. Megatron wasn't all that weakened. He had a head wound, yes, but all those little scalpel bots were slowly repairing him, plus he had no problem beating the hell out of Sentinel before shooting him. Not all that weak, I'd say.

Then how come Optimus tore through him so easily? In the first film, their battle took a considerable amount of time and Optimus nearly lost before Sam saved the day. But here, he manages to kill Megatron within minutes. How is this possible unless Megatron was considerably weakened?

Surprise attack. Getting an energon axe to the chest will do all sorts of damage. If Prime could have done that in the 1st film, he would have had similar success. Though it wouldn't have been as severe right away, because Megatron was stronger in the 1st film. He kept getting progressively weaker with each installment of Bayverse. Once he was on his knees, it was easy for Prime to deliver the (apparently not) final strike.

...Wait, I'm confused. It sounds like you agree that Megatron was significantly weakened, yet you bring up the surprise attack as an alternative explanation?