Seibertron.com's video reviews of War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Sideswipe, Cog, Hound and Skytread

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Second, I'm trying to confirm whether or not the others are actually as "too small" as I originally thought based on the Sideswipe and Optimus comparisons. That's why I want to compare Siege Sideswipe with non-Siege Deluxes that aren't Universe Sideswipe, and Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus (who Seibertron annoyingly left out of his little comparison lineup). I'm trying to thoroughly test my impression to make sure I'm not off the mark.

I added some new pictures to the Optimus Prime gallery just for you. Does this answer your question in regards to a comparison between Combiner Wars Optimus Prime and Siege Optimus Prime? Just for kicks, I also added AOE Voyager Class Evasion Mode Optimus Prime as well. Hope this helps clarify his size for you and anyone else wondering!

Personally, I was never a fan of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime because he doesn't really meet my requirements for what a G1 Optimus Prime toy should look like.


Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE Optimus Prime Gallery


Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE Optimus Prime Gallery


Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE Optimus Prime Gallery

Yes it does, thank you very much for taking the trouble to do this.

I'm sorry to say that it looks like I'll be passing on him... He's a really, really cool design, but...
:C

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm sorry to say that it looks like I'll be passing on him.

even after Seibertron went out of his way for you

Thanks for the Siege Deluxe Class reviews, Seibertron. I've seen quite a few different reviewers' takes on these same figures now, and it's interesting to see which figures are a particular reviewer's favorites. There's not a lot of consensus on which ones are the best (or the most flawed), which makes me believe there is something to really love about each of these figures.

I too am a little disappointed that we're not getting more of these blaster effects than what little comes with each of the Battle Master figures. My hope is that for SDCC next year, or through some other premium outlet, we get a big set of different effects parts, done in all sorts of colors, so we can create some massive battle scenes for our Siege figures without having to buy multiple copies of the Battle Masters. Honestly, Hasbro would be fools not to do something like this. They'd sell like hotcakes.

A good figure is a good figure no matter the size. The problem with some of the early Generations figures was that they were both smaller and simpler, but these are just as complex as anything we've seen before, maybe even more so, despite the smaller size. I think as we see more figures show up in WfC and the new scale comes together we're going to see more interest these wave 1 figures.

Emerje

Seibertron wrote:Personally, I was never a fan of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime because he doesn't really meet my requirements for what a G1 Optimus Prime toy should look like.

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Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE Optimus Prime Gallery

Beefcake works for Motormaster, it worked for his redeco Grand Scourge:


Transformers Unite Warriors Grand Scourge Gallery

... but it does not work for Optimus Prime himself. Amazing study of expected character attributes, that.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I too am a little disappointed that we're not getting more of these blaster effects than what little comes with each of the Battle Master figures. My hope is that for SDCC next year, or through some other premium outlet, we get a big set of different effects parts, done in all sorts of colors, so we can create some massive battle scenes for our Siege figures without having to buy multiple copies of the Battle Masters. Honestly, Hasbro would be fools not to do something like this. They'd sell like hotcakes.

Do we know if the C.O.M.B.A.T system features like Fire Blasts are specific to Siege or if they'll be present across the entire WfC trilogy? I'm hopeful for more Battle Masters than have been announced, but the best scenario would be if they continue to include Fire Blasts in the next line, even if it's part of a different pack-in.

Hey, beefcake worked for Cybertron Optimus Prime

I do admit, Combiner Wars Optimus is a bit too beefy in robot mode for a G1 Optimus, but it could be worse and I still like his proportions waaay better than Classics Optimus. And I like his size exponentially better. Classics Optimus is undersize next to Cybertron Voyagers (and the same-size-different-name-for-it figures from Armada and Energon), undersize next to movie Voyagers, and undersize next to his fellow Claasics Voyagers. Combiner Wars Optimus on the other hand is reasonably within the Goldilocks zone.

All the same he definitely has his drawbacks, so I had been eagerly looking forward to Siege Optimus as an upgrade to be my new primary CHUG Optimus. Which is why I was crushed to see that he was so small, and that the Siege Autobot Cars had suffered the same shrinkage...

At least the Battlemasters, Weaponizer Deluxes, Skytread, and Reflector will still be good and I'm still looking forward to those..

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Beefcake works for Motormaster, it worked for his redeco Grand Scourge:


Transformers Unite Warriors Grand Scourge Gallery

... but it does not work for Optimus Prime himself. Amazing study of expected character attributes, that.

You could argue it works for BCOP as well if you think of that figure as a powerup, but I've never cared for the mold as a standard OP himself. Siege or Classics OP is the perfect size and shape for me.

Emerje

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:All the same he definitely has his drawbacks, so I had been eagerly looking forward to Siege Optimus as an upgrade to be my new primary CHUG Optimus. Which is why I was crushed to see that he was so small, and that the Siege Autobot Cars had suffered the same shrinkage...

There's still that yet-to-be-seen Leader coming in wave 2, you may still get you're larger Optimus since Ultra Magnus and Shockwave are about as tall as CW OP.

Emerje

Combiner Wars Optimus Prime is a great CW Motormaster and Nemesis Prime. The mold was intended for Motormaster and was remolded into Optimus Prime, who was interestingly introduced first, but was meant for Motormaster first. Motormaster !== Optimus Prime.

In my book (and essentially off-topic from this forum post), CW Optimus Prime is not a G1 Optimus Prime (despite IDW's fiction). Physically (as a toy), he's more along the lines of a "Monster Convoy" (aka Armada Optimus Prime) or an Energon Optimus Prime.

I still think that Battle Core Prime is spectacular, I love it so much. Never got the red and blue, waited for the Battle Core

Seibertron wrote:Combiner Wars Optimus Prime is a great CW Motormaster and Nemesis Prime. The mold was intended for Motormaster and was remolded into Optimus Prime, who was interestingly introduced first, but was meant for Motormaster first. Motormaster !== Optimus Prime.

In my book (and essentially off-topic from this forum post), CW Optimus Prime is not a G1 Optimus Prime (despite IDW's fiction). Physically (as a toy), he's more along the lines of a "Monster Convoy" (aka Armada Optimus Prime) or an Energon Optimus Prime.

"was meant for Motormaster first"


I find it hard to believe that the mold was designed as Motormaster first. Let's look at some major design details:
* Solitary truck cab instead of cab and trailer all together
* Legs and feet that are blatantly G1 Optimus Prime's and have slots designed for the handles of the Optimus Prime version's guns with one or the other becoming an awkward leftover on Motormaster
* Prominent smokestacks, which are much more a feature of Optimus' design than they are of Motormaster's.

And then there's the janky torso mode that feels very much like it was shoehorned to fit the Optimus Prime robot design rather than the robot being designed to become a good torso. Two major problems:
* The arm sockets tab in with a single thin tab at a bad angle that leads to them getting untabbed whenever you try to swing or sometimes even just rotate attached limb robots. This is especially a problem for Motormaster because Menasor is a sword-user.
* Having the legs face the intended way in torso mode blocks the combined form from being able to bend at the knee with several limb molds (including the Stunticons) because the Optimus Prime feet get in the way; you have to turn the legs tire side forward to fix the problem, and even that only works because the feet are sculpted at a tilt. If they were sculpted straight then knee articulation would be blocked both ways.

So for my money, the CW Optimus mold makes a far better standalone Optimus than it does a good CW Motormaster. And feels very solidly like it was mainly designed as such.

I don't give a rat's fart about the IDW fiction. I treat CW Optimus as a Generations representation of G1 Optimus because he's sculpted to look like him (beefcake proportions aside) - look at the head, look at the legs, look at the primary gun - and colored to look like him, and is of a good size to fill the role in my collection.

Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..."

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..."

To which I would say, "you're welcome ... that took about 45 minutes of my time today to do that."

And to you, I would say, I'm fairly certain it was 100% designed as Motormaster first, Optimus Prime second.

Seibertron wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..."

To which I would say, "you're welcome ... that took about 45 minutes of my time today to do that."

And to you, I would say, I'm fairly certain it was 100% designed as Motormaster first, Optimus Prime second.

I'd say "citation needed" but I'm guessing it's confidential, so if you say so. I just don't really see it myself what with the Optimus legs and all the other things I pointed out. Even if the mold was designed as Motormaster first, in practice I find the end result to be much more Optimus than it is him.

Btw, did you get the reference with my quote?

Thank you so much seibertron for pandering to these requests, you spoil us. I believe I speak for a lot of fans who are shocked that 1.2cm, or half an inch can make people prefer CW prime to this new gorgeous prime. I weigh it up in my head, one has the right color everywhere, one has a 'new interpretation' with a silver belly, silver shoes, silver biceps and windows that to me at least look way too big. I don't think either of the vehicle modes are perfect, neither much preferable to the other. I think what strikes some of us as most mad, is that CW prime doesn't even look in proportion to himself! Did he have some mad surgery? Or just too much protein and gym?

Galvatronian wrote:one has the right color everywhere

I don't remember an ugly partial (front facing) white stripe on any G1 Optimus Primes Cab before, it could just be the Dinobot thing of gold/yellow is a silver/grey/white thing with Prime but it stands out to me on the Siege figure even if I would have liked the alt mode.

No idea what you mean there. If you're talking about his truck mode, I did say I don't think it's perfect. Perhaps you could show a picture to clarify?

Galvatronian, height counts for a lot. Having toys of G1 characters that size well with not only each other but also other modern mainline figures is one of the main reasons I get CHUG toys. CW Optimus doesn't have the best proportions (which are for reasons of function), but he can stand next to existing CHUG figures as well as RiD 2001, Unicron Trilogy, and mainline movieverse toys without being too small - that's why I picked him over Classics Optimus. That and his proportions and looks beat Classics Optimus hollow IMO. Also, those "silver shoes" on CW Optimus are less a deliberate deco choice and more a result of mold layout meets rigid paint budget. I can easily paint them myself, whereas painting extra height and volume onto a toy... not going to work well. I really like Siege Optimus' design, but the shrinkage he and the other Siege Autobot Cars were subjected to means they wouldn't work out size-wise... I wanted damn near the entire line, but now.. Now it's just the Battlemasters, Weaponizers, Skytread, Reflector, and probably Omega Supreme that I want. It makes me sad.

And gosh, where could CW Optimus' silver biceps and Siege Optimus' front stripe have possibly come from?


It's a complete mystery!

Zelda, I don't understand at all why you think the Combiner Wars Optimus Prime/Motormaster mold prevents knee bend in gestalt mode. I just pulled my Menasor off the shelf and checked. The knees bend 90 degrees backwards without issue. Why you would think such would have anything to do with being designed as Optimus Prime confuses me too.

Also, again, I want to point out to you that the Siege figures aren't "shrinking." The size of Deluxe and Voyager figures have been consistent for many years now. Contemporary Generations figures aren't meant to necessarily match the Classics, Universe 2.0, and early Generations figures in stature or mass. They're certainly not meant to match the completely different movie figure designs or anything from Armada, Energon, or Cybertron. I don't know how you cultivated your expectations, but you clearly set yourself up for disappointment.