Transformers Masterpiece Gattai MPG-4 Suiken Revealed
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Thanks to Seibertronian o.supreme, we have news that the 4th of 6 MPG Trainbots has been officially revealed and is up for preorder.
The fourth figure in this MGP line is Suiken, who forms the left arm (and part of the foot) for Raiden. Suiken transforms into a Tokai-type 153 Express locomotive in a green and orange color scheme, a striking scheme compared to the 3 Trainbots revealed so far. Suiken stands about on par with the other Trainbots in terms of size, as seen in a comparison picture with Getsuei.
Suiken appears to have the left robot mode fist built into his design, an integration tactic seen on the Fall of Cybertron era combiners. A majority of his train mode forms the left arm to Raiden, while a portion breaks off and transforms into the foot wing kibble. He comes with his scaled blaster, the larger Raiden blaster, 2 pieces of train tracks, and a piece for his stand.
Suiken is listed on Amazon Japan for ¥17,705, or at the current exchange rate approximately $122.00 USD. His preorder is live, and we anticipate other stores will begin listing him before too long.
Check out the images below, and let us know what you think of the next Trainbot in the comments down below!
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 6th, 2022 @ 2:24pm CDT
Posted by Brokebot on October 6th, 2022 @ 2:54pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Best looking team member so far to me. I love this
This long, drawn-out release schedule is killing me, though.
Posted by Immortal Starscream on October 6th, 2022 @ 3:01pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 6th, 2022 @ 4:16pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Posted by Immortal Starscream on October 6th, 2022 @ 4:21pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Well, the sword hasn't been released yet, may not come untill the final train it, but we have a spot for it when it does
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 6th, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Well, the sword hasn't been released yet, may not come untill the final train it, but we have a spot for it when it does
But... Raiden nor any of his components have ever had a sword?
Posted by Immortal Starscream on October 6th, 2022 @ 4:32pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Well, the sword hasn't been released yet, may not come untill the final train it, but we have a spot for it when it does
But... Raiden nor any of his components have ever had a sword?
Been forever since I've seen headmasters so I can't remember if he had one there or not, but I couldn't find any images. Either way, the train track have a big sword shaped storage spot under them. Thepeg holes are even contoured to match the shape. Maybe Takara decided he needed one
Posted by o.supreme on October 6th, 2022 @ 5:21pm CDT
Here's another one... Is the term "Hand-Held Bazooka" by definition incorrect? Every one I've ever seen requires you to rest it on your shoulder.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 6th, 2022 @ 5:30pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Well, the sword hasn't been released yet, may not come untill the final train it, but we have a spot for it when it does
But... Raiden nor any of his components have ever had a sword?
Been forever since I've seen headmasters so I can't remember if he had one there or not, but I couldn't find any images. Either way, the train track have a big sword shaped storage spot under them. Thepeg holes are even contoured to match the shape. Maybe Takara decided he needed one
Posted by o.supreme on October 6th, 2022 @ 5:34pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
ok then some 3P company needs to make Lightsabers for all the combiners so we can reenact this scene:
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on October 6th, 2022 @ 7:11pm CDT
Posted by Brokebot on October 6th, 2022 @ 7:18pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:I've been all in on these so far, but not for the combined mode, which is kinda sad. but I like trains, and I like the looks of the robots. also, just noticed that Getsuei's tracks when put together in the right order has a storage slot for the combiner sword. I'm sure people already knew this, but I think it's neat
Sword?
Well, the sword hasn't been released yet, may not come untill the final train it, but we have a spot for it when it does
SON.
OF.
A.
BIOTCH.
I did not see that.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 6th, 2022 @ 8:29pm CDT
Posted by Immortal Starscream on October 6th, 2022 @ 9:53pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 6th, 2022 @ 10:16pm CDT
I first heard about it on Discord.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Wow, I don't think anyone else has noticed this.
Posted by Brokebot on October 7th, 2022 @ 6:34am CDT
What's the deal?
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on October 7th, 2022 @ 7:02am CDT
Brokebot wrote:Ok, smarter people than me, I'm curious about this one: the instructions show a piece to turn the tracks into stands (I guess so you can pose them in ways that need help to balance.) There's even a clear plastic piece for this prop-rod to plug into. But there's no prop rod included in the boxes.
What's the deal?
I believe some previous MP's came with a stand that can work for these using the extra piece they provided. You would need the stand from another MP however.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 7th, 2022 @ 7:08am CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Brokebot wrote:Ok, smarter people than me, I'm curious about this one: the instructions show a piece to turn the tracks into stands (I guess so you can pose them in ways that need help to balance.) There's even a clear plastic piece for this prop-rod to plug into. But there's no prop rod included in the boxes.
What's the deal?
I believe some previous MP's came with a stand that can work for these using the extra piece they provided. You would need the stand from another MP however.
Specifically, I think the necessary component came with MP Dinobot, and maybe 1 or a couple other MP Beast Wars figures
Posted by Immortal Starscream on October 7th, 2022 @ 7:25am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:Brokebot wrote:Ok, smarter people than me, I'm curious about this one: the instructions show a piece to turn the tracks into stands (I guess so you can pose them in ways that need help to balance.) There's even a clear plastic piece for this prop-rod to plug into. But there's no prop rod included in the boxes.
What's the deal?
I believe some previous MP's came with a stand that can work for these using the extra piece they provided. You would need the stand from another MP however.
Specifically, I think the necessary component came with MP Dinobot, and maybe 1 or a couple other MP Beast Wars figures
also mp blackarachnia, v3 Starscream. technically, you can use the stock part of v2 megatron, but it won't plug into the tracks. seriously, I know others have said this, but jeeze has/tak/tomy rip that damn bandaid off and just start selling the display stands. stop letting bandai one-up you on this.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 7th, 2022 @ 7:28am CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:Brokebot wrote:Ok, smarter people than me, I'm curious about this one: the instructions show a piece to turn the tracks into stands (I guess so you can pose them in ways that need help to balance.) There's even a clear plastic piece for this prop-rod to plug into. But there's no prop rod included in the boxes.
What's the deal?
I believe some previous MP's came with a stand that can work for these using the extra piece they provided. You would need the stand from another MP however.
Specifically, I think the necessary component came with MP Dinobot, and maybe 1 or a couple other MP Beast Wars figures
also mp blackarachnia, v3 Starscream. technically, you can use the stock part of v2 megatron, but it won't plug into the tracks. seriously, I know others have said this, but jeeze has/tak/tomy rip that damn bandaid off and just start selling the display stands. stop letting bandai one-up you on this.
I will not argue that, that is for sure
Posted by o.supreme on October 7th, 2022 @ 10:00am CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 7th, 2022 @ 6:06pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on November 11th, 2022 @ 11:25am CST
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2022 @ 7:01pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Oof... . The Yen has come on strong against the US Dollar the last week or so. Seeing my financial advantage of ordering from Amazon Japan melt away isn't fun, but I always knew there was a risk when I first ordered. My pre orders are still about 10 dollars cheaper on average after it's all said and done than Any domestic pre order, plus these things are always cyclical. The next MPG dosen't ship for another 4 months anyway.
Probably because of the election, they often have affects on exchange rates, especially when they drag on like this one is. It'll likely creep back down next month if not sooner.
Emerje
Posted by Nemesis Destron on November 12th, 2022 @ 2:21pm CST
Anyway I've decided to hold on any of the current figures til "All Are One" and released with a reivew to see what flaws may be involved AND it's worth the .
Posted by o.supreme on December 24th, 2022 @ 10:59am CST
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8195816820
AS the economy continues to tank, and my Amazon.jp pre-orders are basically even now with Hasbro and 3P retailer pre-orders, I guess the advantage is that those who ordered from Amazon will supposedly get theirs earlier.
Pre-orders for MPG 05 and 06 will be coming sometime in January (I'm guessing late January), also glad my initial prediction of trying to get this all done by the end of 2023 was accurate. It will be nice to have both a completed Raiden and Haslab Deathsaurus by end of 2023.
Also in terms of proportions, while I dont think the combined mode for Raiden looks terrible, the lower torso is what makes all the difference between him and say...CW/UW Devastator. All the other parts (legs, arms, upper torso) aren't that different. But whereas Lang Haul is the BIGGEST member of CW/UW Dev and makes up a good portion of his body, Kaen seemingly makes up the smallest part, with parts forming for other portions, and a LOT being left on the back. Too bad a little more couldn't have been adjusted to increase the lower abs proper to make him closer to CW/UW Devastator height, but oh well.
He will just be that oddball. Slightly taller than CW/UW/PotP combiners, but not as tall as Titan Dev or Predaking.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 30th, 2022 @ 10:24am CST
I like him, he looks good, just ready to see the full picture now.
Posted by o.supreme on January 11th, 2023 @ 7:37pm CST
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B0B ... UTF8&psc=1?tag=seibertron00-22&
Posted by Emerje on January 12th, 2023 @ 2:08am CST
o.supreme wrote:MPG-05 Pre-Order on Amazon Japan...
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B0B ... UTF8&psc=1?tag=seibertron00-22&
I saw that as well, from Takara Tomy Mall. The end is in sight.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on January 12th, 2023 @ 8:26am CST
Posted by TulioDude on January 12th, 2023 @ 9:00am CST
Day 1108 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by Immortal Starscream on January 12th, 2023 @ 11:27am CST
Posted by angtre on January 12th, 2023 @ 1:55pm CST
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on January 12th, 2023 @ 4:06pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on January 12th, 2023 @ 4:31pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2023 @ 5:44pm CST
This attempt to attract that audience in addition to the Transformers fandom seems like a sign that Takara does not have enough faith in the Trainbots being popular enough to sell well on their own as normal Generations-styled figures, what with their very real sense of obscurity, even in their own country of Japan.
Posted by Brokebot on January 13th, 2023 @ 6:28am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, one of the main reasons that this set is even happening at all as Masterpieces instead of as normal figures is because of the MP budget allowing for Takara to try appealing to the Japanese model train demographic, with each of these being not only super realistic in vehicle mode but also being scaled to a real-world model train scale.
The only problem is that although they are on the same scale, they aren't on the same gauge track. MPG-02 Getsuei rides on narrower tracks than MPG-01 Shouki. Not being a train model aficionado myself, I'm not sure if that's because they are two different types of trains and that's just the way they are, or it that was a concession of engineering the internal robot. Either way, I think it would have been a nice feature to be able to link them together as a single train so that they could ride the same track, but that's by no means a deal breaker.
Anyhoo, the last 4 of these bad boys are the only things on my must-have list. The fact I'm going to be waiting until next Christmas for the last one is killing me.
Posted by DeathReviews on January 13th, 2023 @ 8:05am CST
I'm glad I had no kind of G1 attachment to this set, otherwise I might be tempted. As it stands, I have the ability to look at them objectively and decide that an all-train gestalt isn't really my bag.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on January 13th, 2023 @ 9:52am CST
Brokebot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, one of the main reasons that this set is even happening at all as Masterpieces instead of as normal figures is because of the MP budget allowing for Takara to try appealing to the Japanese model train demographic, with each of these being not only super realistic in vehicle mode but also being scaled to a real-world model train scale.
The only problem is that although they are on the same scale, they aren't on the same gauge track. MPG-02 Getsuei rides on narrower tracks than MPG-01 Shouki. Not being a train model aficionado myself, I'm not sure if that's because they are two different types of trains and that's just the way they are, or it that was a concession of engineering the internal robot. Either way, I think it would have been a nice feature to be able to link them together as a single train so that they could ride the same track, but that's by no means a deal breaker.
Anyhoo, the last 4 of these bad boys are the only things on my must-have list. The fact I'm going to be waiting until next Christmas for the last one is killing me.
If I understand correctly, real trains in Japan have 2 different track widths and this is relfected in the individual trains having the appropriate width at that scale for the tracks the were used on. Takara is being super accurate to the train modes.
Unfortunately that prevents you from being able to line all six up front to back and roll them on the same set of tracks. Still works fine on a floor or tabletop though, so I'm not too bummed by it.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 13th, 2023 @ 10:14am CST
It's not just a thing in Japan. In real life in many parts of the world, there exist standard gauge railways and narrow gauge railways (arguably one of the most famous being the Talyllyn Railway in Wales). The type of engine that Getsuei turns into is a narrow gauge engine, making him the odd one out. In real life, standard gauge and narrow gauge are not supposed to interact with each other on the same rail tracks, so it's the fault of Takara back in the 1980s for basing the Diaclone toy that would later be used for Getsuei on an engine type that is, in real life, incompatible with the others.TF-fan kev777 wrote:Brokebot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, one of the main reasons that this set is even happening at all as Masterpieces instead of as normal figures is because of the MP budget allowing for Takara to try appealing to the Japanese model train demographic, with each of these being not only super realistic in vehicle mode but also being scaled to a real-world model train scale.
The only problem is that although they are on the same scale, they aren't on the same gauge track. MPG-02 Getsuei rides on narrower tracks than MPG-01 Shouki. Not being a train model aficionado myself, I'm not sure if that's because they are two different types of trains and that's just the way they are, or it that was a concession of engineering the internal robot. Either way, I think it would have been a nice feature to be able to link them together as a single train so that they could ride the same track, but that's by no means a deal breaker.
Anyhoo, the last 4 of these bad boys are the only things on my must-have list. The fact I'm going to be waiting until next Christmas for the last one is killing me.
If I understand correctly, real trains in Japan have 2 different track widths and this is relfected in the individual trains having the appropriate width at that scale for the tracks the were used on. Takara is being super accurate to the train modes.
Unfortunately that prevents you from being able to line all six up front to back and roll them on the same set of tracks. Still works fine on a floor or tabletop though, so I'm not too bummed by it.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 13th, 2023 @ 10:54am CST
As for the conversation related to the combined mode, I think it is clear that they were focusing on the train modes as the primary modes here, with the robot modes built in 2nd and combined mode last, and like Sabrblade said, it makes sense that a character like this might need an avenue where they can focus on another aspect (i.e. the train community) of the characters to help them actually sell. I for one am OK with it, especially since I very much dislike the 3P Raiden.
Also, speaking of combined mode, the image below started circulating. Not sure where it came from, but it shows a black and white sketch of Kaen in there too.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 13th, 2023 @ 11:37am CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 13th, 2023 @ 4:19pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The type of engine that Getsuei turns into is a narrow gauge engine, making him the odd one out.
The Shinkansen duo Shouki and Yukikaze are standard gauge; the other four are all 3'6" narrow gauge. The latter was used in the British Empire, and areas they had a hand in.
Posted by Nemesis Destron on January 15th, 2023 @ 4:00pm CST
Posted by Emerje on January 16th, 2023 @ 9:36am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Raiden's arms look a little short.
Pretty sure they're bent at the elbows and the panel that frees the articulation is hiding his upper arms.
Incidentally, Wonder Festival 2023 [Winter] is a few weeks away, we might get our first look at Kaen as a gray model there and the mostly complete Raiden.
Emerje
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 16th, 2023 @ 7:14pm CST
Emerje wrote:Incidentally, Wonder Festival 2023 [Winter] is a few weeks away, we might get our first look at Kaen as a gray model there and the mostly complete Raiden.
Really hoping so
Posted by RotorstormNZ on January 17th, 2023 @ 3:13pm CST
Immortal Starscream wrote:besides the fact that they were still trying to figure it out AFTER the first 2 were released, the design itself seems off.
So they designers didn't start with Raiden being the end goal?!
Posted by o.supreme on January 17th, 2023 @ 3:36pm CST
RotorstormNZ wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:besides the fact that they were still trying to figure it out AFTER the first 2 were released, the design itself seems off.
So they designers didn't start with Raiden being the end goal?!
Raiden has always been part of the design. It's just that making the individual train modes for model train enthusiasts in Japan seems to have been the priority (again this is all fan conjecture, nothing has been stated anyone at TT as far as I am aware).
I'm sure however when it is all said and done it will be quite the accomplishment.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 18th, 2023 @ 10:19am CST
o.supreme wrote:RotorstormNZ wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:besides the fact that they were still trying to figure it out AFTER the first 2 were released, the design itself seems off.
So they designers didn't start with Raiden being the end goal?!
Raiden has always been part of the design. It's just that making the individual train modes for model train enthusiasts in Japan seems to have been the priority (again this is all fan conjecture, nothing has been stated anyone at TT as far as I am aware).
I'm sure however when it is all said and done it will be quite the accomplishment.
Also keep in mind that whatever is drawn on paper or modeled in CAD may not always work out the way they're supposed to in real life, so tweaks are made "on the go".