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War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review

Transformers News: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review

Friday, June 11th, 2021 1:33PM CDT

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Well, that was fast, fellow Seibertronians!
Kingdom Deluxe Class Waspinator was barely leaked that Tonton already made a video review of him!

The toy is shown in all angles and great details. Plus, Tonton made an extensive comparaison with the old T-30 version.

See the review down below!



Are you excited for you his release? Will this Waspinator replace your old Generations or Beast Wars original, or will he be part of the swarm? Let us know what you think!
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107218)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 11th, 2021 @ 1:47pm CDT
T30 looks like a Masterpiece compared to the new one. I originally thought the new one was pretty much the same as the T30 only with differently sculpted parts. But I should have known Hasbro would have to make it a lot smaller. God forbid they kept it the same size. :roll:

I'll still get the new one, I like them both, but it's not better than the T30.

Standing side by side, the Kingdom almost looks like a Cyberverse version. Only not as crappy as Cyberverse. But nowhere near as good as the T30. It really reminds me of comparing the MP Blackarachnia to the Kingdom version.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107219)
Posted by First-Aid on June 11th, 2021 @ 1:54pm CDT
The video certainly improved my opinion on his colors. The wings aren't as purple as the initial picture showed in the light and the green is much lighter.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:T30 looks like a Masterpiece compared to the new one. I originally thought the new one was pretty much the same as the T30 only with differently sculpted parts. But I should have known Hasbro would have to make it a lot smaller. God forbid they kept it the same size. :roll:

I'll still get the new one, I like them both, but it's not better than the T30.


Get used to it. These things are made of plastic, and in the end plastic is an evil substance made from oil. With less oil supply, the price goes up. With higher prices, in order to keep prices relatively close to normal the amount of plastic used has to be reduced. Transformers will continue to get smaller if they want to continue their level of quality in the plastic unless they find a legitimate, sturdy, affordable substitute soon.

Also consider that the inflation related to Covid is costing everyone. it costs more not just because of the oil and the plastic, but because the supply is so low. Everyone was shut down. General suplies of EVERYTHING are low. Why is the PS5 so rare? Shutdown of processor plants. That slowdown is going to continue for 3-6 years in nearly everything, resulting in 15-40% inflation annually by the end of the year; it's going to take a miracle to avoid a global economic disaster at this point.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107221)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 11th, 2021 @ 2:06pm CDT
Ok, so after watching the video, I like the T30 robot mode better but the Kingdom alt mode better. :( And I like the clear purple better because purple is my favorite color so Kingdom automatically wins that one.


First-Aid wrote:Get used to it. These things are made of plastic, and in the end plastic is an evil substance made from oil. With less oil supply, the price goes up. With higher prices, in order to keep prices relatively close to normal the amount of plastic used has to be reduced. Transformers will continue to get smaller if they want to continue their level of quality in the plastic unless they find a legitimate, sturdy, affordable substitute soon.

Also consider that the inflation related to Covid is costing everyone. it costs more not just because of the oil and the plastic, but because the supply is so low. Everyone was shut down. General suplies of EVERYTHING are low. Why is the PS5 so rare? Shutdown of processor plants. That slowdown is going to continue for 3-6 years in nearly everything, resulting in 15-40% inflation annually by the end of the year; it's going to take a miracle to avoid a global economic disaster at this point.


I dunno man, Siege Ratchet & Ironhide & Earthrise Hoist & Trailbreaker were pretty big for deluxe class. And since the T30 & Kingdom Waspinator's transformation is almost identical, I don't really see why Kingdom had to be shorter. They made the Kingdom's legs hollow so how much more plastic do they really need to cut back? Also, the Kingdom's gun is just 1 hollow chunk. They're both basically the same figure, only differently sculpted.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107222)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on June 11th, 2021 @ 2:11pm CDT
So waspinator is a smol boi
Wonder how he scales with cheetor, bumblebee and rattrap

I dont like insect legs in robot mode or how plain the gun is but otherwise he's kewl
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107223)
Posted by Sculyblast on June 11th, 2021 @ 2:16pm CDT
the new waspinator makes me worry a lot about how much they are going to mess up the Terrorsaur resculpt.

I was hoping the Terrorsaur toy could be a placeholder as MP terrorsaur. "But there are dreams that cannot be, and there are storms we cannot weather".
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107224)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 11th, 2021 @ 2:24pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:The video certainly improved my opinion on his colors. The wings aren't as purple as the initial picture showed in the light and the green is much lighter.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:T30 looks like a Masterpiece compared to the new one. I originally thought the new one was pretty much the same as the T30 only with differently sculpted parts. But I should have known Hasbro would have to make it a lot smaller. God forbid they kept it the same size. :roll:

I'll still get the new one, I like them both, but it's not better than the T30.


Get used to it. These things are made of plastic, and in the end plastic is an evil substance made from oil. With less oil supply, the price goes up. With higher prices, in order to keep prices relatively close to normal the amount of plastic used has to be reduced. Transformers will continue to get smaller if they want to continue their level of quality in the plastic unless they find a legitimate, sturdy, affordable substitute soon.

Also consider that the inflation related to Covid is costing everyone. it costs more not just because of the oil and the plastic, but because the supply is so low. Everyone was shut down. General suplies of EVERYTHING are low. Why is the PS5 so rare? Shutdown of processor plants. That slowdown is going to continue for 3-6 years in nearly everything, resulting in 15-40% inflation annually by the end of the year; it's going to take a miracle to avoid a global economic disaster at this point.

While I’m not going to disagree with what you’re implying, I’m just going to point out that since these figures can take up to 2 years to design and produce, this explains the recent price hike more than anything, waspinator is this small because they are trying to adhere to the scale of the figures in the show, I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by the size of any of these figures anymore, this has been going on since the wfc trilogy began
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107225)
Posted by alekese on June 11th, 2021 @ 2:30pm CDT
As for me, I'm a simple man, with simple pleasures. I see a charming little detail like articulated altmode mandibles, I instabuy.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107227)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:11pm CDT
Mismatched greens are gonna BUG me but i'm passing on this anyway. Kingdoms been pretty poor for the beastwars figures and it was their chance to shine with only airrazor and rattrap swaying me so far.
The insect legs look pretty bad and theyve taken the realistic look away from them for a form that has had a bit more realistic influence. Not really liking the alt mode of T30 or kingdoms 9prefer animateds or original). Only positive is yay for keeping the light piping amd at least he has his hidden weapon unlike Cheetor (not counting his tail)

Hasbro might be able to polish a repaint out of it that tempts me but unlikely.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107228)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:11pm CDT
The only real flaw on this wasp are the obvious robot feet on its chest. Appart that, he's the most perfect to date.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107230)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:25pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:waspinator is this small because they are trying to adhere to the scale of the figures in the show, I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by the size of any of these figures anymore, this has been going on since the wfc trilogy began


I haven't watched the show in ages. So scale wasn't even on my mind.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107232)
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:30pm CDT
Sculyblast wrote:I was hoping the Terrorsaur toy could be a placeholder as MP terrorsaur.


Hope is just undiscovered disappointment. Also, the MP line is operating on a different scale so no toy from Kingdom could be a placeholder.

First-Aid wrote:Get used to it. These things are made of plastic, and in the end plastic is an evil substance made from oil.


The priciest part in the toy making process are the molds and assembly, not the plastic. That's why you can buy a leader sized Cyberverse toy for half the price of a leader sized Kingdom toy. Same amount of plastic but half the parts (meaning half the human labour and half the mold casting), invalidating any argument that plastic is the main reason for making smaller toys.

Waspinator is smaller here for a simple reason, they are adhering to the sizes on the show and that's it.

Anyways, in regards to these two toys, when looking at them side by side to me it was...

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107233)
Posted by Rtron on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:40pm CDT
I'd have too see what it looks like in other videos, but for now the purple looks very nice, show-accuracy be damned. Very nice beast mode, too. Sleeker and more wasp-like than the Thrilling 30 one. I found it interesting that his robot mode head is sculpted with his mouth half open.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107234)
Posted by Overcracker on June 11th, 2021 @ 3:48pm CDT
$10 bucks says they reveal a Takara Premium Finish version with show accurate colors before the end of the year.

Any takers?
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107236)
Posted by First-Aid on June 11th, 2021 @ 4:26pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:$10 bucks says they reveal a Takara Premium Finish version with show accurate colors before the end of the year.

Any takers?


I would but I'm married...
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107237)
Posted by That_Guy on June 11th, 2021 @ 4:26pm CDT
while watching the video I noticed on the arms and legs it appears you can remove them without wearing down the balljoints. Guess this means you can have the classic Waspinator in pieces mode? :lol:
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107238)
Posted by Munkky on June 11th, 2021 @ 4:35pm CDT
That_Guy wrote:while watching the video I noticed on the arms and legs it appears you can remove them without wearing down the balljoints. Guess this means you can have the classic Waspinator in pieces mode? :lol:

Missed opportunity not making this figure a Weaponizer. Though the Studio Series 1986 Kup route where he's designed to be broken up into pieces would work too.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107239)
Posted by That_Guy on June 11th, 2021 @ 4:37pm CDT
Munkky wrote:
That_Guy wrote:while watching the video I noticed on the arms and legs it appears you can remove them without wearing down the balljoints. Guess this means you can have the classic Waspinator in pieces mode? :lol:

Missed opportunity not making this figure a Weaponizer. They could've at least gone the Studio Series 1986 Kup route and designed him to be broken up into pieces.


I was looking at my other figures from Kingdom. At the leg where it meets the hip, it's like you purposely can slide it off. I didn't notice that on other figures before.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107241)
Posted by Rtron on June 11th, 2021 @ 5:07pm CDT
Munkky wrote:
That_Guy wrote:while watching the video I noticed on the arms and legs it appears you can remove them without wearing down the balljoints. Guess this means you can have the classic Waspinator in pieces mode? :lol:

Missed opportunity not making this figure a Weaponizer. Though the Studio Series 1986 Kup route where he's designed to be broken up into pieces would work too.


Man, it'd have been so cool if they had incorporated that Kup-like feature! TonTon is... not particularly thorough, so maybe there's still a chance that it's there and he didn't see it. But, given how limiting parts count is, I doubt it.

Edit: Nah, watched it again and there's no chance he's got that feature.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107260)
Posted by Spider5800 on June 11th, 2021 @ 8:06pm CDT
Think it's going to be a no from me, but seems perfectly fine for someone who doesn't have the T30 version to go for. Little smaller, purple wings, and the weapon seems worse, but the paint apps are better than the original Hasbro version of T30.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107262)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 11th, 2021 @ 8:12pm CDT
I hope this gets a "Buzzsaw" remold.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107265)
Posted by Nuclearxpotato on June 11th, 2021 @ 9:49pm CDT
I really like Waspinator, I tracked down T30 Waspy about two years before Kingdom and he's fun, but he definitely suffers from the engineering of the time (much like Rattrap). I'd honestly say that this may be a perfect stand-in for anyone without T30 (especially since the robot mode is far more poseable).
The only thing Kingdom Waspy is missing is that wonderful geared wingflapping, but sadly geared or springloaded gimmickry is a thing of the past...


This figure looks nice enough for me to consider getting it as well... hopefully there's a Buzzsaw in the works so I can justify it to myself.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107267)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 11th, 2021 @ 10:15pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Get used to it. These things are made of plastic, and in the end plastic is an evil substance made from oil.


The priciest part in the toy making process are the molds and assembly, not the plastic. That's why you can buy a leader sized Cyberverse toy for half the price of a leader sized Kingdom toy. Same amount of plastic but half the parts (meaning half the human labour and half the mold casting), invalidating any argument that plastic is the main reason for making smaller toys.

Waspinator is smaller here for a simple reason, they are adhering to the sizes on the show and that's it.

Then why have figures been getting steadily less and less plastic for many years now, dispite HasTak only caring about scale for the last few lines? Figures aren't more complex now than they used to be. The molds and assembly are the biggest costs, yes, but the plastic each toy uses is still a significant cost that increases over time and that HasTak is going to try to reduce as much as possible. That's why figures have hollow parts, and it's why the use of hollow parts has been steadily rising. The cost of plastic, and by extension the size of the figure, still meaningfully impacts production costs, and saying it doesn't is frankly ridiculous. No offense.

As for the scale argument, that would make sense if Kingdom Waspinator were in scale with the other BW figures, but he's not. Unless my understanding of BW scale is wildly off, he should be about the same size as Cheetor and Blackarachnia, but (using Mirage as a measuring stick), he's notably shorter, just like Skorponok, invalidating any argument that scale is the main reason for making Waspinator smaller. Nevermind, scale is hard
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107268)
Posted by Nuclearxpotato on June 11th, 2021 @ 11:28pm CDT
Tuned Agent wrote:As for the scale argument, that would make sense if Kingdom Waspinator were in scale with the other BW figures, but he's not. Unless my understanding of BW scale is wildly off, he should be about the same size as Cheetor and Blackarachnia, but (using Mirage as a measuring stick), he's notably shorter, just like Skorponok, invalidating any argument that scale is the main reason for making Waspinator smaller.


I'm just going to say there's no stable scale in BW and that TFW scale chart is wrong 50% of the time. In CGI, scaling and forced perspective are tools used to get the visuals you want. A famous example involves the scene from Toy Story where Andy throws himself onto his bed, unknown to the viewer Andy's model is actually hovering well above the bed.
I believe Hasbro has an internal scale they're basing this off of, but it really just depends on the designer's idea of the character.

Honestly I hate the whole scale argument.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107269)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 12th, 2021 @ 12:00am CDT
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:As for the scale argument, that would make sense if Kingdom Waspinator were in scale with the other BW figures, but he's not. Unless my understanding of BW scale is wildly off, he should be about the same size as Cheetor and Blackarachnia, but (using Mirage as a measuring stick), he's notably shorter, just like Skorponok, invalidating any argument that scale is the main reason for making Waspinator smaller.


I'm just going to say there's no stable scale in BW and that TFW scale chart is wrong 50% of the time. In CGI, scaling and forced perspective are tools used to get the visuals you want. A famous example involves the scene from Toy Story where Andy throws himself onto his bed, unknown to the viewer Andy's model is actually hovering well above the bed.
I believe Hasbro has an internal scale they're basing this off of, but it really just depends on the designer's idea of the character.

Honestly I hate the whole scale argument.

Wait, BW doesn't have a reliable scale?

You mean I may have just started another scale debate with my own ignorance?

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107273)
Posted by Nuclearxpotato on June 12th, 2021 @ 1:53am CDT
Tuned Agent wrote:Wait, BW doesn't have a reliable scale?

The scale was the friends we made along the way.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107274)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 12th, 2021 @ 3:01am CDT
The best scale in my opinion is how things feel. Bumblebee should feel smaller than Prime, but by how much is up for debate. It's not worth the effort in my opinion to spend hours comparing shots from cartoons to official scale charts to get "true scale". Especially since let's be honest, no one who made the cartoons cared for keeping consistent scale beyond the feel of their size until EXTREMELY recently. And even now it's not perfect as far as I know
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107275)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 12th, 2021 @ 3:14am CDT
I feel that the scale guide from G1, was probably just that, a guide. They may have been told to use it as a starting point but feeling free to change things up if it made the scene better
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107279)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 12th, 2021 @ 6:28am CDT
I just got an email from BBTS saying my Galvatron pre-order will be processing soon. Galvatron was supposed to be in September & titan Scorponok was supposed to be this month (and may still be). Anybody else order Galvatron from BBTS?

C'mon Scorponok old buddy, don't let me down!
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107280)
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2021 @ 6:29am CDT
Tuned Agent wrote: Figures aren't more complex now than they used to be.


This is false. Articulation and transformation steps have increased on average for the deluxes. This waspinator is a great example to that as he has more articulation than T30. No one was using the term "mini masterpiece " 5 years ago but they are now. Even Hasbro is.

Also, regarding smaller toys, come on guys, WFC Optimus is the exact same height as Classics Optimus from 2006, which is the scale all CHUG collections have been trying to adhere to since the begining.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107283)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 12th, 2021 @ 7:04am CDT
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:Wait, BW doesn't have a reliable scale?

The scale was the friends we made along the way.


G1 said "hi".
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107288)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 12th, 2021 @ 8:36am CDT
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:Wait, BW doesn't have a reliable scale?

The scale was the friends we made along the way.

New life motto :-D
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107289)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 12th, 2021 @ 9:13am CDT
Pfft G1 was mini maspterpiece, die cast parts at least one great mode and with all the transformations a figure should have, with the alt modes it should be :P WFC hasnt had scale since day one but nothing new there. some WFC figures are great, some pretty poor but thats always been the same for most TF lines too.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107290)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2021 @ 9:21am CDT
BW had a ton of scales. Megatron, Dinobot, and Terrorsaur were covered in them.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107291)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on June 12th, 2021 @ 9:23am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:BW had a ton of scales. Megatron, Dinobot, and Terrorsaur were covered in them.


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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107296)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on June 12th, 2021 @ 10:05am CDT
Yet another review of a most likely stolen toy.. And I will stick with my T30 Wasp.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107298)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 12th, 2021 @ 11:28am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Nemesis Destron wrote:It is a shame if there is in fact theft involved. I for one would rather watch any other known YouTube reviewer rather than Emgo. I have personally seen enough reviews to prefer NOT to watch his for reasons of my own.

IMHO there is at least 1 fair reviewer (on the subject) currently over Emgo who get the job done I think with many more to come!


I'm not one that needs to see the freakin' box the figure came in, in fact to hell with it! :VEHI:
Yeah I watched a few of his reviews and got annoyed very quickly. The guy takes way too long and he's a condescending douchebag most of the time. Unless he's changed? I haven't watched his reviews in a long time.


Dude you are the freakin' man! :)) . I totally agree with every word on Emgo. You said EVERYTHING that needed to be said on him and that's that....'nuff said! ;)^ :VEHI:
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107302)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 12th, 2021 @ 12:55pm CDT
Not to pseudo mod but Seibertron himself asked for this thread to be about the toys themselves. Talking about the "stolen toys" thing or the reviewers should be done in their own thread. I guess in the TF General Discussion forum.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107307)
Posted by Sculyblast on June 12th, 2021 @ 3:01pm CDT
What I don't get is this.

The figure has a massive lower waspbody hanging behind it as kibble.
How come they could not hide the legs in that (similar to BW original Tarantulas).
Rather than awkwardly fumbling it under the the middle waspbody?
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107309)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 12th, 2021 @ 3:32pm CDT
Sculyblast wrote:What I don't get is this.

The figure has a massive lower waspbody hanging behind it as kibble.
How come they could not hide the legs in that (similar to BW original Tarantulas).
Rather than awkwardly fumbling it under the the middle waspbody?

Probably because they legs wouldn't fold into it very cleanly because they are so bulky and the wrong color :roll:
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107311)
Posted by Sculyblast on June 12th, 2021 @ 4:15pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Sculyblast wrote:What I don't get is this.

The figure has a massive lower waspbody hanging behind it as kibble.
How come they could not hide the legs in that (similar to BW original Tarantulas).
Rather than awkwardly fumbling it under the the middle waspbody?

Probably because they legs wouldn't fold into it very cleanly because they are so bulky and the wrong color :roll:


That would depend on the engineering of the legs.
They have currently chosen bulky legs in the wrong colour.
those legs don't really go anywhere (despite already being hollow.)
The lower waspbody could be redesigned to facilitate thet legs on the inside, so the wrong colour does not show.
heck, Right now the robot waste has to be move to the opposite end to position the legs.
If you hide the legs in the lower waspbody you could arguably skip that step.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107312)
Posted by Overcracker on June 12th, 2021 @ 4:17pm CDT
Its funny seeing everybody complain about the robot legs not being hidden, when the original had them dangling behind the wasp mode:

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Transformers Beast Wars (10th Anniversary) Waspinator (Waspitas) (Reissue) Gallery
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107313)
Posted by Nuclearxpotato on June 12th, 2021 @ 4:38pm CDT
According to some people on Twitter, Galvatron is showing up at retail with fixed shoulders.
https://twitter.com/ShawFrost74/status/1403752516123119616
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Maybe Hasbro caught this and e-tailer shipments will have the fixed shoulders.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107316)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 12th, 2021 @ 5:58pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote: Figures aren't more complex now than they used to be.


This is false. Articulation and transformation steps have increased on average for the deluxes. This waspinator is a great example to that as he has more articulation than T30. No one was using the term "mini masterpiece " 5 years ago but they are now. Even Hasbro is.

Modern figures may devote a few more parts to articulation than before, but that doesn't mean they have a higher parts count overall. To use these Waspinators as an example again, Kingdom may use an extra part in each ankle (for ankle tilts) and an extra part in each shoulder and hip (for universal joints rather than ball joints), but it doesn't have T30's wing flapping mechanism (a difference of probably ~4 parts), transforming gun (an extra part), or multi-part lower legs that hide hollowness (which T30 has). All things considered, they probably work out to about the same parts count.

As for being "mini masterpieces", I've always understood that that term is used in reference to current toyline's attention to accuracy compared to years past, not because they use more transformation steps to achieve that accuracy (which I don't think they do). People's use of the term is subjective though, so I could be wrong.

william-james88 wrote:Also, regarding smaller toys, come on guys, WFC Optimus is the exact same height as Classics Optimus from 2006, which is the scale all CHUG collections have been trying to adhere to since the begining.

Nevermind that Classics Optimus was on the short side for a voyager at the time, while WFC Optimus is pushing the upper limit of modern voyager size. And that doesn't even compare the two by weight.

But if we're comparing modern figures with figures from 15 years ago, than compare the average WFC deluxe with the average Classics deluxe, or the average SS deluxe with the average '07 movie deluxe, and the size difference is obvious.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107317)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 12th, 2021 @ 6:07pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:Wait, BW doesn't have a reliable scale?

The scale was the friends we made along the way.

New life motto :-D

I can get behind this. ;)^
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107320)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on June 12th, 2021 @ 7:56pm CDT
Tuned Agent wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote: Figures aren't more complex now than they used to be.


This is false. Articulation and transformation steps have increased on average for the deluxes. This waspinator is a great example to that as he has more articulation than T30. No one was using the term "mini masterpiece " 5 years ago but they are now. Even Hasbro is.

Modern figures may devote a few more parts to articulation than before, but that doesn't mean they have a higher parts count overall. To use these Waspinators as an example again, Kingdom may use an extra part in each ankle (for ankle tilts) and an extra part in each shoulder and hip (for universal joints rather than ball joints), but it doesn't have T30's wing flapping mechanism (a difference of probably ~4 parts), transforming gun (an extra part), or multi-part lower legs that hide hollowness (which T30 has). All things considered, they probably work out to about the same parts count.

As for being "mini masterpieces", I've always understood that that term is used in reference to current toyline's attention to accuracy compared to years past, not because they use more transformation steps to achieve that accuracy (which I don't think they do). People's use of the term is subjective though, so I could be wrong.

william-james88 wrote:Also, regarding smaller toys, come on guys, WFC Optimus is the exact same height as Classics Optimus from 2006, which is the scale all CHUG collections have been trying to adhere to since the begining.

Nevermind that Classics Optimus was on the short side for a voyager at the time, while WFC Optimus is pushing the upper limit of modern voyager size. And that doesn't even compare the two by weight.

But if we're comparing modern figures with figures from 15 years ago, than compare the average WFC deluxe with the average Classics deluxe, or the average SS deluxe with the average '07 movie deluxe, and the size difference is obvious.


Some figures are more complex, some aren't. There are some vintage transforming figures, not necessarily Transformers that have intricate and involved conversions that haven't been replicated by any company today.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107322)
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on June 12th, 2021 @ 9:21pm CDT
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:As for the scale argument, that would make sense if Kingdom Waspinator were in scale with the other BW figures, but he's not. Unless my understanding of BW scale is wildly off, he should be about the same size as Cheetor and Blackarachnia, but (using Mirage as a measuring stick), he's notably shorter, just like Skorponok, invalidating any argument that scale is the main reason for making Waspinator smaller.


I'm just going to say there's no stable scale in BW and that TFW scale chart is wrong 50% of the time. In CGI, scaling and forced perspective are tools used to get the visuals you want. A famous example involves the scene from Toy Story where Andy throws himself onto his bed, unknown to the viewer Andy's model is actually hovering well above the bed.
I believe Hasbro has an internal scale they're basing this off of, but it really just depends on the designer's idea of the character.

Honestly I hate the whole scale argument.

People definitely can get too worked up over scale, but... it really strikes me as odd to say that the scale chart constructed via looking at basically every frame from the show where a reasonable size comparison can be made, and compiling and comparing those to get as consistent of a set of size comparisons as possible (with all of their work done visible in the 30+ pages of the thread) is "wrong 50% of the time".

Yes, there were moments where scale/sizing was messed around with on the part of the animators for dramatic effect, but 1) those models also would've all most likely had a default size they loaded in at that would then have to be explicitly changed, meaning it would've been more effort to make them constantly be at differing sizes than to generally be consistent until specific moments where it would be particularly useful for dramatic effect, and 2) the people who worked on the scale chart acknowledge those moments, and compare them with all the other shots in the show where a size comparison can be reasonably drawn. This isn't like the G1 scale chart, where that was drawn at the outset and was used as a guideline for the animators that was frequently deviated from, this was compiled from looking at the end result show and seeing how scale was actually implemented in it.

I also think it important to note, as an aside, that every Beast Wars Masterpiece that has come out has matched up with the TFW BW scale chart very closely, only varying a pixel or two (with the scale chart sized so that 1 pixel = 1 mm, and using the 100s of mms heights of the MP figures). Meaning the unofficial scale chart project has managed to ger extremely close to whatever Mainframe internal unreleased scale chart Takara is using for the MPs.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107333)
Posted by Emerje on June 13th, 2021 @ 3:20am CDT
Overcracker wrote:Its funny seeing everybody complain about the robot legs not being hidden, when the original had them dangling behind the wasp mode:

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Transformers Beast Wars (10th Anniversary) Waspinator (Waspitas) (Reissue) Gallery

Those aren't bot legs, they're bug legs. I won't pretend they look good, but popping them out at the ankles to turn the knee into a bug foot is part of the transformation.

As for the debate about modern complexity, let's not discount the importance of ankle tilts which are on all WFC figures (and some SS) Deluxe and larger despite having nothing to do with the transformation in many cases. That means at least two extra parts added to the parts count of many figures over previous figures with straight legs. That alone is pretty huge and adds a lot to the complexity of the figures.

Emerje
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107345)
Posted by Overcracker on June 13th, 2021 @ 11:45am CDT
Emerje wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Its funny seeing everybody complain about the robot legs not being hidden, when the original had them dangling behind the wasp mode:

Image
Transformers Beast Wars (10th Anniversary) Waspinator (Waspitas) (Reissue) Gallery

Those aren't bot legs, they're bug legs. I won't pretend they look good, but popping them out at the ankles to turn the knee into a bug foot is part of the transformation.

Emerje


Well yes, just like putting them underneath the wasp body is part of the transformation. The point is the solution isn’t worse than making the bug legs that don’t look like anything an actual wasp has.

The robot mode legs are still just dangling behind him, as opposed to just being tucked under the bug body.
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107350)
Posted by o.supreme on June 13th, 2021 @ 3:22pm CDT
Very Odd... a Whole case of Kingdom Deluxe wave 3 Wingfinger has been spotted at a Walmart in Nebraska USA.

https://twitter.com/MajoraYT/status/1403466761874386951

I feel this is just an anomaly however, I'll still be keeping a look out. This is not the first time this has happened. I'm sure there are more recent examples, but I recall personally witnessing a whole case of CW Groove show up at a Walmart near me in 2016.

I'm not sure what causes these anomalies. Perhaps these were just leftover extra's from the production run, but one would think if they were shipped last, instead of first, they would show up much later in the year, rather than early?
Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe class Waspinator video review (2107351)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 13th, 2021 @ 3:34pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Very Odd... a Whole case of Kingdom Deluxe wave 3 Wingfinger has been spotted at a Walmart in Nebraska USA.

https://twitter.com/MajoraYT/status/1403466761874386951

I feel this is just an anomaly however, I'll still be keeping a look out. This is not the first time this has happened. I'm sure there are more recent examples, but I recall personally witnessing a whole case of CW Groove show up at a Walmart near me in 2016.

I'm not sure what causes these anomalies. Perhaps these were just leftover extra's from the production run, but one would think if they were shipped last, instead of first, they would show up much later in the year, rather than early?


I suspect it's actually an error, and it was meant for an online store or Pulse, as brick-and-mortar stores usually don't get solid cases (cases with multiples of only one figure).

Which Groove we talking here btw? The Deluxe was an exclusive, and those ship in solid cases by default.

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