Preliminary Wave Assortments for 2022 Studio Series Line with the Fallen, AOE Galvatron, Sludge and More

I'm assuming hot rod variant will be SG?

I'm happy about Sludge and a proper wheelie, though it's a shame they're not releasing a core class bayverse wheelie

86 arcee? I wonder if a new mold or slightly recolored wfc version? That's interesting

I'm surprised there's only one Dinobot listed, but either way I'm definitely getting Sludge, I just hope it ends up being its own mould and not a retooling of Slag. The Fallen is certainly tempting, but I'll wait to see what it looks like before I commit to buying one.

...interesting that we had a rumor that BB movie Thundercracker would be an exclusive and yet now it shows up as a retail release, which also happened word-for-word with the BB movie Thrust that my stores are just now getting...I wonder how many of those rumored exclusive Seekers will end up being exclusives after all?

Also that DotM Bee should be 2 to a case, not 3, otherwise that case has more figures in a shipment than the allotted 8.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I'm assuming hot rod variant will be SG?

86 arcee? I wonder if a new mold or slightly recolored wfc version? That's interesting

-As cool as it would be, I doubt an SG release of Hot Rod/Rodimus would be in mainline SS, and at least one leaker believes this to just be a magenta repaint for accuracy's sake
-Leakers say Arcee is just a repaint of the ER figure

Nemesis Primal wrote:...interesting that we had a rumor that BB movie Thundercracker would be an exclusive and yet now it shows up as a retail release, which also happened word-for-word with the BB movie Thrust that my stores are just now getting...I wonder how many of those rumored exclusive Seekers will end up being exclusives after all?

Also that DotM Bee should be 2 to a case, not 3, otherwise that case has more figures in a shipment than the allotted 8.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I'm assuming hot rod variant will be SG?

86 arcee? I wonder if a new mold or slightly recolored wfc version? That's interesting

-As cool as it would be, I doubt an SG release of Hot Rod/Rodimus would be in mainline SS, and at least one leaker believes this to just be a magenta repaint for accuracy's sake
-Leakers say Arcee is just a repaint of the ER figure

Ahhh got it. Well, saves me money. I'm not hatdcore on accuracy that I'd double dip just for magenta, and I refuse to purchase any figure out of the ER arcee mold ever again hahaha

I'm definitely on board for almost all of the Bayverse figures coming next year - the only maybe is Crosshairs, depends if it's a new mold or not.

Very interested to see how they handle AOE Galvatron and The Fallen, and what The Fallen will transform into.

Bee's DOTM appearance is my favorite look for him, so I'm super pumped we're seeing it in SS! The SS-49/74 mold will make a great base, they'll just have to remold some of the parts (spoiler in alt mode, robot mode chest, and a bunch of other smaller things).

Sideways is another one I'm really excited for, and will complete the Transformers: The Ride cast in SS! (besides Evac, of course, but the original figure works well with SS, at least in alt mode). There were rumors that Sideways will be based on the Dino mold, which I hope isn't the case. Dino is a great figure, but I can't really see Sideways working from that.

TLK Hot Rod is great news, the original figure doesn't do the design justice.

Core class DOTM Laserbeak still confuses me, Laserbeak in SS scale is way, way smaller than even core class. Maybe it'll be a multipack of the different modes he turns into? But then he still (presumably) would have to transform. . . I don't know, I'm kinda excited to see how that goes.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Core class DOTM Laserbeak still confuses me, Laserbeak in SS scale is way, way smaller than even core class. Maybe it'll be a multipack of the different modes he turns into? But then he still (presumably) would have to transform. . . I don't know, I'm kinda excited to see how that goes.

Considering the Laserbeak that comes with DotM Soundwave already exists to fulfill the "properly scaled" aspect of the Studio Series, I'm expecting the Core one to be out of scale to service transforming, considering the in-scale version's inability to transform is technically inaccurate itself. No idea which alt mode they're intending to go for though, and I hadn't considered the multipack idea you mention, that's an interesting thought...

One thing's for sure though: if this turns out to be Pink MurderBee Laserbeak, it's an instabuy.

Nothing on the 86 Springer seems odd as well as the one dinobot.

The transforming Wheelie and Spike make the included wastes with Grimlock and Slag total wastes. Wouldnt be that hard to give core Spike a revolving head for his/Daniels face or something.

Wasn't the last Springer rumor that they were considering possibly just rereleasing Siege Springer?

Sabrblade wrote:Wasn't the last Springer rumor that they were considering possibly just rereleasing Siege Springer?

Yeagh but possibly repainted:( instead of being redone sa I'd like it to be.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wasn't the last Springer rumor that they were considering possibly just rereleasing Siege Springer?

Yeagh but possibly repainted:( instead of being redone sa I'd like it to be.

Those rumours were never really concrete anyway.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I'm definitely on board for almost all of the Bayverse figures coming next year - the only maybe is Crosshairs, depends if it's a new mold or not.

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TLK Hot Rod is great news, the original figure doesn't do the design justice.

After High Octane Bee turned out to be a re-release of the AoE mold, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high on either of these.

I figured as well that Springer would be just a repaint without all the damage.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I figured as well that Springer would be just a repaint without all the damage.

If that's the case, maybe I'll give it a chance. I skipped on the Siege version even on sale. If the SS86 is a straight repaint of the Siege, it's a minimum. Even better if it's flaws got fixed.

Okay, so something just occurred to me. What is going to happen to the numbering for regular studio series when we get to 86? Will there be a live action movie number 86 or will they just skip to 87? Also, will core figures get numbers in the regular or SS86 numbering (can't see why not)?

I think we have this year ending with High Octane Bee as SS79 and no further exclusives. Let's assume core figures get numbers.
If the first 2 waves don't change, this gives us wave 1 ending with a perfect break at number 86.
SS80-81 Shockwave/Ravage
SS82-84 Ratchet/Wheeljack/Brawn
SS85 Soundwave

I'm betting they just skip to numbers 87-88 for wave 2 for Arcee/Ironhide

Hope variant Hot Rod has movie-accurate colors, rather than the G1 toy colors of the previous release.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I'm definitely on board for almost all of the Bayverse figures coming next year - the only maybe is Crosshairs, depends if it's a new mold or not.

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TLK Hot Rod is great news, the original figure doesn't do the design justice.

After High Octane Bee turned out to be a re-release of the AoE mold, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high on either of these.

I could see Crosshairs potentially being the TLK mold (which is actually decent, but probably doesn't work well scale-wise), but I don't think TLK Hot Rod would work in SS.

But you're right, HO Bee is nowhere near SS standards and yet got reissued, so there's no way of telling.

Still holding a tiny amount of hope that the single release of SS-79 is a new mold. On that topic, HO Bee is notably absent from these listings despite being next in the numbered SS sequence.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I'm definitely on board for almost all of the Bayverse figures coming next year - the only maybe is Crosshairs, depends if it's a new mold or not.

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TLK Hot Rod is great news, the original figure doesn't do the design justice.

After High Octane Bee turned out to be a re-release of the AoE mold, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high on either of these.

I could see Crosshairs potentially being the TLK mold (which is actually decent, but probably doesn't work well scale-wise), but I don't think TLK Hot Rod would work in SS.

But you're right, HO Bee is nowhere near SS standards and yet got reissued, so there's no way of telling.

Still holding a tiny amount of hope that the single release of SS-79 is a new mold. On that topic, HO Bee is notably absent from these listings despite being next in the numbered SS sequence.

I think that is because these Listings are for next year and High Octane Bee is due out this year with DOTM Sideswipe.

However, looking at the wave breakdown does give me a little bit of hope. The other 2 deluxes in the wave with Crosshairs and Hot Rod are repacks, and I can't see an entire wave being repacks or re-releases of old molds. So maybe they do Hot Rod right and re-release TLK Crosshairs.

Sludge! Yes! He was always my favourite, behind Grimlock of course.

Odd to think it'll take like two and a half years to get the set of five. This must be how those of you who were collecting RotF Devastator felt...

An 86 Core class Spike? So we're likely getting an exosuit-wearing human on normal retail with a more elaborate transformation than "fall flat on its face"? Ohh, me like!

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I remember, the Driller in DOTM is supposed to be GIGANTIC. So the only thing I can see is a titan class, non transformable, but loaded with joints and action features. Included with it would be a Core sized Shockwave. Maybe that Shockwave could be a straight repaint of the DotM Cyberverse Commander Shockwave.



That Driller could open the door to the revival of the excellent DotM Cyberverse line, where all the characters were remade in "Legion" and "Core" sizes. Then maybe introducing playsets in scale. I know they tried it at the DotM time with the Ark, but it was subpart. If they get serious about this, we could have some kick-ass display possibilities.

Tey're far more likely to adapt those transforming ships from DOTM as playsets than the Driller, in my opinion. For starters, they actually transform.

Character like the Driller is one of the reasons I usually don't bother with scale, honestly. I prefer to have a representation of the character in my hand than none at all because they couldn't fit the right size.

Munkky wrote:I'm surprised there's only one Dinobot listed, but either way I'm definitely getting Sludge, I just hope it ends up being its own mould and not a retooling of Slag. The Fallen is certainly tempting, but I'll wait to see what it looks like before I commit to buying one.

If I remember correctly, there was always one Dinobot missing in the movie too - though which one it was, as in many cases of 80's merchandise animation consistency, varied with the scene. Most of the time it was Snarl, though, so if they leave one Dinobot out it'll probably be him.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Considering the Laserbeak that comes with DotM Soundwave already exists to fulfill the "properly scaled" aspect of the Studio Series, I'm expecting the Core one to be out of scale to service transforming, considering the in-scale version's inability to transform is technically inaccurate itself.

If that's the case, I hope they make Core class Scalpel with sturdier legs. That's one figure in serious need of an update. I got two back when ROTF premiered (one I bought myself, another a friend gave me on my birthday), and both completely broke those thin balljoint cups.

Always had a real soft-spot for the original deluxe ROTF Sideways; cool robot design, gorgeous (and licensed) alt-mode, cool transformation, and even the mech-alive and automorph gimmicks were neatly integrated without being obtrusive. I always remember being really surprised it stood so well on its own despite the small feet and insect-style legs (which could easily be concealed with careful posing if you didn't like that look).

I'll be really surprised if the SS version is better. Not like accuracy will matter at all, given how we see his robot mode in the film for about 1 second, largely obscured by the lighting and motion blur.

Also really looking forward to seeing that leader class Fallen. The character was unbelievably lame but he had a cool design, and could make a really awesome display piece alongside ROTF Megs and Starscream. The original figures had their charms but we've never had a good sized, accurate Fallen.

Cheesinator wrote:Always had a real soft-spot for the original deluxe ROTF Sideways; cool robot design, gorgeous (and licensed) alt-mode, cool transformation, and even the mech-alive and automorph gimmicks were neatly integrated without being obtrusive. I always remember being really surprised it stood so well on its own despite the small feet and insect-style legs (which could easily be concealed with careful posing if you didn't like that look).

I'll be really surprised if the SS version is better. Not like accuracy will matter at all, given how we see his robot mode in the film for about 1 second, largely obscured by the lighting and motion blur.

Also really looking forward to seeing that leader class Fallen. The character was unbelievably lame but he had a cool design, and could make a really awesome display piece alongside ROTF Megs and Starscream. The original figures had their charms but we've never had a good sized, accurate Fallen.

Don't expect it to be a licensed Audi. As we have seen licensing with VW and its subsidiaries is not easy.

Just wondering, the mainline rerelease of the AOE high Octane Bee is this year right?

william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, the mainline rerelease of the AOE high Octane Bee is this year right?

As far as we know, there is no mainline rerelease of High Octane Bee, only the one in the 2-pack with Stinger. Whether that lasts and he stays an exclusive remains to be seen.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, the mainline rerelease of the AOE high Octane Bee is this year right?

As far as we know, there is no mainline rerelease of High Octane Bee, only the one in the 2-pack with Stinger. Whether that lasts and he stays an exclusive remains to be seen.

I would disagree. SS74 was a Buzzworthy single release numbered as 74 before the regular SS74 release. High Octane Bee was numbered 79 on the 2-pack with Stinger. I don't see any reason to not believe SS79 will be AoE High Octane Bee.

As for this year, that is what I am assuming since SS78 is DotM Sideswipe and he has already been seen in a Walmart in the US (no word on whether SS79 was also spotted). I believe those 2 should be in the same wave together.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, the mainline rerelease of the AOE high Octane Bee is this year right?

As far as we know, there is no mainline rerelease of High Octane Bee, only the one in the 2-pack with Stinger. Whether that lasts and he stays an exclusive remains to be seen.

I would disagree. SS74 was a Buzzworthy single release numbered as 74 before the regular SS74 release. High Octane Bee was numbered 79 on the 2-pack with Stinger. I don't see any reason to not believe SS79 will be AoE High Octane Bee.

As for this year, that is what I am assuming since SS78 is DotM Sideswipe and he has already been seen in a Walmart in the US (no word on whether SS79 was also spotted). I believe those 2 should be in the same wave together.

Could it be that an item with a number (ie SS79) can also be an exclusive? We saw that with a previous 2 pack, no?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, the mainline rerelease of the AOE high Octane Bee is this year right?

As far as we know, there is no mainline rerelease of High Octane Bee, only the one in the 2-pack with Stinger. Whether that lasts and he stays an exclusive remains to be seen.

I would disagree. SS74 was a Buzzworthy single release numbered as 74 before the regular SS74 release. High Octane Bee was numbered 79 on the 2-pack with Stinger. I don't see any reason to not believe SS79 will be AoE High Octane Bee.

As for this year, that is what I am assuming since SS78 is DotM Sideswipe and he has already been seen in a Walmart in the US (no word on whether SS79 was also spotted). I believe those 2 should be in the same wave together.

I'm not saying SS79 isn't that Bee, I'm saying SS79 might just be exclusive-only.
-We've already seen the wave breakdown of what comes with that Sideswipe, it's all repacks
-High Octane Bee is nowhere to be seen on the wave breakdowns we just got for next year
-This wouldn't be the first time Hasbro rereleased a non-SS Bee mold in SS as an exclusive only (SS25 was a TLK Bee only available in a 2-pack with a rusty VW Bee, also as a Target exclusive)

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'm not saying SS79 isn't that Bee, I'm saying SS79 might just be exclusive-only.
-We've already seen the wave breakdown of what comes with that Sideswipe, it's all repacks
-High Octane Bee is nowhere to be seen on the wave breakdowns we just got for next year
-This wouldn't be the first time Hasbro rereleased a non-SS Bee mold in SS as an exclusive only (SS25 was a TLK Bee only available in a 2-pack with a rusty VW Bee, also as a Target exclusive)

Are you sure we saw the wave breakown for the DotM Sideswipe? Entertainment Earth is my go-to for wave breakdowns and they don't have it up. They have the wave before and the first wave of next year, but not the one with Sideswipe. Man SS86 has really made a mess of trying to keep track of everything.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'm not saying SS79 isn't that Bee, I'm saying SS79 might just be exclusive-only.
-We've already seen the wave breakdown of what comes with that Sideswipe, it's all repacks
-High Octane Bee is nowhere to be seen on the wave breakdowns we just got for next year
-This wouldn't be the first time Hasbro rereleased a non-SS Bee mold in SS as an exclusive only (SS25 was a TLK Bee only available in a 2-pack with a rusty VW Bee, also as a Target exclusive)

Are you sure we saw the wave breakown for the DotM Sideswipe? Entertainment Earth is my go-to for wave breakdowns and they don't have it up. They have the wave before and the first wave of next year, but not the one with Sideswipe. Man SS86 has really made a mess of trying to keep track of everything.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... cks/45943/

Nemesis Primal wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'm not saying SS79 isn't that Bee, I'm saying SS79 might just be exclusive-only.
-We've already seen the wave breakdown of what comes with that Sideswipe, it's all repacks
-High Octane Bee is nowhere to be seen on the wave breakdowns we just got for next year
-This wouldn't be the first time Hasbro rereleased a non-SS Bee mold in SS as an exclusive only (SS25 was a TLK Bee only available in a 2-pack with a rusty VW Bee, also as a Target exclusive)

Are you sure we saw the wave breakown for the DotM Sideswipe? Entertainment Earth is my go-to for wave breakdowns and they don't have it up. They have the wave before and the first wave of next year, but not the one with Sideswipe. Man SS86 has really made a mess of trying to keep track of everything.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... cks/45943/

Thanks! I think you are right on SS79 AoE Bee only being the exclusive for Target then and not getting a separate release. SS77 dead jeep bee then has to be a Universal exclusive that was punted to online retailers. Weird that they would stick Sideswipe in between them numbers wise with them becoming available in reverse order at that.

Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

It's been a little while, but here's my newest completed custom: SS Thundercracker!




Thundercracker is a really nice figure, even if he's not from the movie, I think it's really cool that they tried to integrate him into the movie, both with the short bio and his awesome Starscream-inspired head sculpt. I wonder what a Skywarp in this style would look like?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

I'm wondering just how different Hot Rod will be.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

I'm wondering just how different Hot Rod will be.

It would be a shame if the new Hot Rod just turned out to be a Lockdown retool, because even though Hot Rod's animation model in he movie had a lot of Lockdown in it and his last Deluxe figure was a Lockdown retool, I think he deserves an original mould.

Munkky wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

I'm wondering just how different Hot Rod will be.

It would be a shame if the new Hot Rod just turned out to be a Lockdown retool, because even though Hot Rod's animation model in he movie had a lot of Lockdown in it and his last Deluxe figure was a Lockdown retool, I think he deserves an original mould.

Deserves is a pretty strong word for that character.

Munkky wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

I'm wondering just how different Hot Rod will be.

It would be a shame if the new Hot Rod just turned out to be a Lockdown retool, because even though Hot Rod's animation model in he movie had a lot of Lockdown in it and his last Deluxe figure was a Lockdown retool, I think he deserves an original mould.

He definitely deserves his own mold. That first one was fun, but not movie accurate. It suffered from being a Lockdown retool. I really hope he and Galvatron get proper good updates.

I hope they do Galvatron like they did DoTM Megatron. The robot mode might pass for voyager, but I want the mass and alt mode size to be leader class. I'll buy him at leader price if he's built well even if he's the same size as Prime in robot mode.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Munkky wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Seeing that list for next year, I would be excited if several things on that list came out, but I am very cynical at this point regarding releases of SS figures. the thing I am most worried about is a Galvatron and Crosshairs just being AOE/TLK repaints sold in the line like AOE HO Bee. That release kinda crippled my hopes of proper new versions of some of the lesser-done Knight-aesthetic movies

I'm wondering just how different Hot Rod will be.

It would be a shame if the new Hot Rod just turned out to be a Lockdown retool, because even though Hot Rod's animation model in he movie had a lot of Lockdown in it and his last Deluxe figure was a Lockdown retool, I think he deserves an original mould.

He definitely deserves his own mold. That first one was fun, but not movie accurate. It suffered from being a Lockdown retool. I really hope he and Galvatron get proper good updates.

Hot Rod's design is unique and cool enough to deserve his own original mold.

TulioDude wrote:
Hot Rod's design is unique and cool enough to deserve his own original mold.

I agree, it's a really cool design. Excited to see how the new figure looks!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

TulioDude wrote:
Hot Rod's design is unique and cool enough to deserve his own original mold.

I agree, it's a really cool design. Excited to see how the new figure looks!

If SS Hotrod is revealed to be just a lockdown retool, I'll laugh so hard while calling him "Cliffjumper 2.0" !

Wasn't Hot Rod's CG model based on Lockdown's?

william-james88 wrote:Wasn't Hot Rod's CG model based on Lockdown's?

They have some similar proportions, but I don’t see any shared parts usage between the two.



Reusing the SS Lockdown mold for Hot Rod wouldn’t allow for the car parts on the chest (unless they were faux parts, which I don’t think is the way to go for those) or the door wings.

I was really happy to get the Buzzworthy Clunker Bee vs Barricade set, since I missed out on the original release of Clunker Bee. I've always been a fan of SS-01, but after a while the roof piece barely held on, making the figure more difficult to enjoy. This release fixes that with a pin, and the joints feel tighter overall, particularly on the door wings (which are super loose on my SS-01). The weathering is also a great inclusion, it's very nicely done.

While it's not as good as SS49/74, it is still a good mold, and one that I had a blast getting painted and weathered up!

Interested in seeing what the Bumblebee Ratchet will look like and transform into. Very likely an automatic buy because I love Ratchet, but the faces from Bumblebee haven't been translating well. Wheeljack's also interesting to me, but to a much lesser extent

Yeah, Hot Rod started out as a body for a resurrected Lockdown, but ultimately all they share is an alt mode make. the robot modes are entirely different.

I took Jolt to work again, I am so glad to have him. I need to dig out my Dino for a nice shot of 2 bots with new toys/first hasbro retail deluxe toys that I never expected to get toys made of.

I saw Jolt in store and passed. He looks really good in those pics, maybe I should have gotten him. Since he was such a minor character with miniscule screen time (as were Dino and Payload) I didn't think my collection would miss him.

To those of you who have both Blackout and Grindor, do you prefer 1 over the other, or do both satisfy your collection for different reasons? Besides the hands and paint detail, are there other differences not very noticeable in reviews?

Rodimus Prime wrote:To those of you who have both Blackout and Grindor, do you prefer 1 over the other, or do both satisfy your collection for different reasons? Besides the hands and paint detail, are there other differences not very noticeable in reviews?

I have both and really like the mold. I like Grindor slightly more just due to the hands, but honestly it was a really good mold to begin with, so it isn't like the hands are necessary to fully enjoy it or anything. If you are only in it for 1 or the other, go Grindor unless you have a particular attachment to Balckout's character or deco (or lil Scorponok vs lil Ravage).

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:To those of you who have both Blackout and Grindor, do you prefer 1 over the other, or do both satisfy your collection for different reasons? Besides the hands and paint detail, are there other differences not very noticeable in reviews?

I have both and really like the mold. I like Grindor slightly more just due to the hands, but honestly it was a really good mold to begin with, so it isn't like the hands are necessary to fully enjoy it or anything. If you are only in it for 1 or the other, go Grindor unless you have a particular attachment to Balckout's character or deco (or lil Scorponok vs lil Ravage).

Agreed. The hands add a lot of expressiveness to Grindor, and both of them are about on par with the paint details. I don't really favor one over the other as a toy, they are both fun

Rodimus Prime wrote:I saw Jolt in store and passed. He looks really good in those pics, maybe I should have gotten him. Since he was such a minor character with miniscule screen time (as were Dino and Payload) I didn't think my collection would miss him.

To those of you who have both Blackout and Grindor, do you prefer 1 over the other, or do both satisfy your collection for different reasons? Besides the hands and paint detail, are there other differences not very noticeable in reviews?

I have both and love them. I also have the DNA kit for Blackout which makes him 100% perfect. The only difference between the two is there paints and hands, nothing else. Grindor is also a lot looser than blackout, in my 2 copies at at least. I highly recommend both still. If you have blackout all the down at the knees and Grindor all the way up, it puts them at roughly the correct heights (33' and 40' respectively).

Yeah, I'm definitely kicking myself for not picking up Blackout in store when I had the chance. For me, in a franchise filled with sentimentality, having a detailed figure of a character that was the 1st to appear on a live action movie screen has some meaning. Just too bad he died by getting shot in the junk by a human. And of course, Grindor was part of IMO the best fight sequence in Bayverse, so I should have a figure to recreate that. Too bad he doesn't come with a head that can split in half.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I saw Jolt in store and passed. He looks really good in those pics, maybe I should have gotten him. Since he was such a minor character with miniscule screen time (as were Dino and Payload) I didn't think my collection would miss him.

To those of you who have both Blackout and Grindor, do you prefer 1 over the other, or do both satisfy your collection for different reasons? Besides the hands and paint detail, are there other differences not very noticeable in reviews?

I have both Blackout and Grindor, and while they're both great, it's the hands that really make Grindor the better of the two for me. Grindor does also have tabbing issues for alt mode that Blackout didn't, but the hands make a world of difference.